Dear John, Thank you for that addition, I had no wife for him previously, Can you pinpoint if the Matilda(said wife of Thomas Despenser) in the other post you commented on earlier, is the wife of Thomas Despenser, who was brother to [Hugh Despenser I] who died in 1238 or another relative of the time period? 2ndly, can you provide a direct link to the "George F. Farnham, Quorndon Records (1912)" records online. Much appreciated, Thanks Robert

On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 5:19:21 PM UTC+1, Robert Spencer wrote: <snip> > 2ndly, can you provide a direct link to the "George F. Farnham, Quorndon Records (1912)" records online. > > Much appreciated, Thanks > > Robert ___________________ This ought to take you to it: https://archive.org/details/cu31924029786179 Matt Tompkins

On Friday, 13 May 2016 17:19:21 UTC+1, Robert Spencer wrote: > Dear John, > Thank you for that addition, I had no wife for him previously, Can you pinpoint if the Matilda(said wife of Thomas Despenser) in the other post you commented on earlier, is the wife of Thomas Despenser, who was brother to [Hugh Despenser I] who died in 1238 or another relative of the time period? > > 2ndly, can you provide a direct link to the "George F. Farnham, Quorndon Records (1912)" records online. > > Much appreciated, Thanks > > Robert Dear Robert, I only have two Thomas Despensers in my database. The elder one who married Recuare and died about 1207 and his son and heir Thomas who died before January 1214. In 1211-12, Thomas Despenser was holding, in right of his wife, the daughter and heiress of Hugh de Insula, 2 knight's fees at Barby, Northamptonshire, 2 fees in Lubbesthorpe, Leicestershire and 3/4 of a fee in Thorpe in the Glebe in Nottinghamshire. Hubert Hall, ed., Red Book of the Exchequer, vol. 2 (1896), 584. He was dead before 25 January 1214 when the king granted the custody and marriage of the daughter and heiress of Hugh de Insula, for 200 marks to William de Cantilupo, for the use of his son. Thomas Duffus Hardy, ed., Rotuli Litterarum Patentium in Turri Londoniensi Asservati, vol. 1 (1835), 109. Actually William Cauntelow found a better wife for his son and heir, so he married Hugh de Insula's daughter to his nephew Eustace, who confusingly was sometime called Eustace de Cantilupo and sometimes Eustace Baret. Neither of these records shows the name of Hugh de Insula's daughter. Farrer says that her name was Catherine (HKF, i, 172), but I am not sure where he found this information. So this Thomas Despenser who left a widow Maud is a bit of a puzzle. The only possibility I can see, is that she was the widow of the elder Thomas Despenser who died about 1207. Regards, John

Thanks John and Matt.. Matt..Thanks to your kind link to George F. Farnham, Quorndon Records 1912) These may be of some interest. Three finds relevant to the Despensers. In searching the Quorndon records, in the first detailed charter, seems to confirm that Geoffrey was indeed the Dispensator to the Earl of Chester [probably Ranulf,the 4th earl of Chester]in this time period. In addition it appears to name a brother Simon, who in my records is a new find, not mentioned by anyone previously. Extract: "QUORNDON RECORDS: SUPPLEMENT. Hastings MSS. Date between 1123 and 1147. Ranulph, Earl of Chester, to the Constables, Stewards, Ministers, Sheriffs and all his bailiffs, French and English,greeting. Know ye that I have given and granted to Robert, Earl of Leicester, in fee and by hereditary right to him and to his heirs from me and ray heirs Cernelea and all the woods adjoining his forest of Leycester, as well my own woods as those of my fee, except my Park of Barrow, To hold those in the forest of me as well, freely and fully as he holds the Forest of Leycester of the King, excepting this only, that I retain in those woods the easements of the adjoining manors,without waste and without sale. And besides this I have given to him by inheritance whatever I have in the town of Leycester in demesne and fee. And for this tenure he has done fealty to me as to the lord from whom he holds. Therefore I will and command that he hold well, in peace and freely. And I prohibit that anyone cause him to forfeit any of the above things. [Witnesses] : Alexander bishop of Lincoln, Roger bishop of Chester, Earl William of Lincoln, Earl Symon of Norharapton, Ralph de Haia, Hugh Waac, William Colevill, Symon son of William, Thurstan Banaster, Hugh Bird, Hugh Ostricher, Richard Pincerna, Geoffrey Dispensator, Simon his brother, Roger de Turribus, Hugh Maleb,Robert son of Nigell, John de Sentevill, William Burdet, Robert de Crest, Geoffrey Abbot, Ralph Normanvill, Fulco Trussell, Robert Puher and those of the fields of Leycester and Mountsorell. William de Seis to all his men and friends, French and English, present and to come, greeting. Know ye that I have given, granted and by this my present Charter have confirmed to Hugh my son for his homage and service all my jand of Brockesby, together with the advowson of the church, and the mill, meadows, feedings and all the .appurtenances, within and without the town, to him and to his heirs, to hold of me and of my heirs freely, honorably and quietly, free of all except foreign service. Rendering therefor annually to me and to my heirs a gilt spur at the feast of St. James. These being witnesses : Bertreia countess of Chester, Agnes countess of Ferrers, Simon de Kimba, Thomas Dispensator, William the Mareschal, Hugh Dispensator, Thomas and Henry his brothers, Richard son of Robert, Robert de Sutton, Robert son of Picot, Gilbert his son, Robert Putrell, Richard de Folia, John chaplain of Barwa, Henry the clerk and many others. Ranulph, Earl of Chester, to all present and to come, greeting. Know ye that I have given, granted and by this fliy present Charter have confirmed to William son of Gerard for his homage and service six times twenty and eight ,(128) acres in my assarts beyond Querendon measured by the perch of i6 feet ; to wit, all my land of Sumehag which .lies between Stanwasbroc and the land of Peter son of Nicholas in Littlehag, and between the said Stanwasbroc and my j;learing which I have in S according as the metes appear, which my men make when they perambulate that land between me and him, and between Monefalgate and my hedge of my Park of Querendon in length (saving to me 2 acres which lie next to my hedge of my Park measured by the perch of 16 feet, which I retain to my own use) and all my land which I had in Haverwic, which land comprises 128 acres. Further, I have given to the same William, son of Gerard, 2 virgates of land in Querendon, to wit, those which Hervisius, son of Cecily, and Roger Dod, hold of me—Hervisius one and Roger the other—together with their men and their offspring, and further, i acre by Stanwath to build him a house. To have and to hold to him and his heirs of me and of my heirs freely, quietly and wholly with all appurtenances within and without the town which ought to pertain thereto. Rendering therefor yearly to me and to my heirs one pair of gilt spurs or 6d. at the feast of St. Martin for all services and secular demands. With witnesses Philip de Orreby, justice of Chester, Hugh Dispensator, William Picot, Thomas and Henry, Robert, Geoffrey Dispensator, Norman Pantuf, Master of Chester, Hugh Martel and many others. N.B.—Philip de Orreby was justice of Chester from 1209 to 1228; therefore the above Charter may be assigned to a year not later -ithan 1228. In summary the children of Anschetill Despenser updated: Geoffrey Despenser, fls. 1126 ,when he confirmed his father's gift of Waterfal, Stafforshire to Burton abbey. Ivo de Alspath - Constable of Skipton and later Coventry. Ivo son of Aschetil appears twice in the witness lists of charters of Cecily de Rumilly , wife of William Meschines , and mother of Ranulf, Earl of Chester (CB, nos. 411,446) Notification to the archbishop of York, Thurstan, by Cecily de Rumilly of her gift in free, pure and perpetual alms to the canons of Saint Mary and Saint Cuthbert,Embsay, of the mill of Silsden, with multure of the said vill and the workings of the same mill, with all liberties and free customs, setting down rules for the use of the mill, including forfeiture of corn, sack and horses. [Michaelmas 1130x25 Jan. 40.] Witness: Ivone constabulario (k.) In Early Yorkshire Charters: Being a Collection of Documents byWilliam Farrer, Sir Charles Travis Clay. editor, 1947 - Yorkshire (England) states that Iivo the Constable who witnessed notifications to Thurstan, archbishop of York ( 1131-1140) (no's 4 and 6) was probably the brother of William Aschetil. Gift in free, [pure] and perpetual alms by Cecily de Rumilly to the canons of Embsay of her mills at Harewood with all its multure, with provision that no other mill will be had in the land which pertains to the church of Harewood, excepting Brandon and Wigton, without the assent of the canons, with all suit and free customs, with toft and croft in Harewood, one assart outside called Parvum Angrum, with meadow, another assart called Benecroft and free common of the Harewood, with forfeiture for those who go to another mill. [Michaelmas 1130AI481 Witness: "Ivone filio Aschetilli" , is likely to be the same person as Ivo the constable who witnessed the charters of Cecily and her daughter Alice (CB, nos. 8,106,107,28 1). William , seen in a charter of Cecily de Rummily (Honour of Skipton) Simon as seen above Agnes - conjectured Hugh fls. 1130 at Coventry - conjectured