Many thanks Matt. I thought I had got at least the date right, but now I see it is Junii. Pity these Pardon Roll entries give no indication of what the person is being pardoned for. With so many entries, just for June alone, being "p[er] ip[su]m Regem", I am wondering if the King was actually doing the pardoning in person, or even knew about any of these transgressions, or whether these Pardons were being issued out of Chancery (for the appropriate fee). Wibs On 14/05/2016 17:11, Tompkins@lists2.rootsweb.com wrote: > Sorry, mind was wandering for a moment then - it should be 'x die Junij', not 'xvj die' > > ________________________________________ > From: gen-medieval-bounces@rootsweb.com [gen-medieval-bounces@rootsweb.com] on behalf of Tompkins@lists2.rootsweb.com [Tompkins@lists2.rootsweb.com] > Sent: 14 May 2016 17:08 > To: gen-medieval@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Pardon Roll entry > > From: Colin Withers via [gen-medieval@rootsweb.com] > Sent: 14 May 2016 16:43 >> Could some please have a look at the following entry from the Pardon > Roll (Supplementary Patent Roll) and see if they can make out the words > following the name and before the 10th January, and hazard a guess at > the abbreviated Latin words that end the entry: >> https://app.box.com/s/48twbcxs3o30p5gkar25910vfbvge1wj >> >> The entry is halfway down, for Nicholas Bubbewyth >> >> Many Thanks >> >> Wibs >> > ________________________________________ > ------------------------------- > > Hello Colin, > > it says: > > Nich[ol]us Bubbewyth cl[er]icus T[este] R[ege] apud Westm[onasterium] xvj die Junij. p[er] ip[su]m Regem etc. > Nicholas Bubbewyth, clerk, witness the king, at Westminster 10th June. By the king himself etc. > > The bit at the end means the decision to grant the pardon was made by the king himself. > > Matt Tompkins > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
________________________________________ From: Colin Withers [colin@blanshard.org] Sent: 14 May 2016 17:45 > > Pity these Pardon Roll entries give no indication of what the person is being pardoned for. > > With so many entries, just for June alone, being "p[er] ip[su]m Regem", I am wondering if the King was actually doing the pardoning in person, or even knew about any of these transgressions, or whether these Pardons were being issued out of Chancery (for the appropriate fee). > > Wibs ------------------------------- ------------------------------- I believe there two broad types of pardons - specific pardons, relating to a specific offence, and general pardons. The latter were only issued at irregular intervals, when they were handed out en masse (usually for a fee, but in 1404 for free). They would all be in the same standard format, so the record of their issue would not need to specify the offence being pardoned - perhaps the page with Nicholas Bubwith on it deals with a large batch of general pardons. As to whether the king was really personally involved, see: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=HhbM5HDx3tAC&pg=PR70&dq=%22warrant+'by+the+king+himself%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2iNGFh9rMAhXiKMAKHUk8B5AQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=%22warrant%20'by%20the%20king%20himself%22&f=false What year was Bubwith's pardon issued? Matt
On 14/05/2016 18:14, Tompkins@lists2.rootsweb.com wrote: > > ________________________________________ > From: Colin Withers [colin@blanshard.org] > Sent: 14 May 2016 17:45 >> Pity these Pardon Roll entries give no indication of what the person is > being pardoned for. >> With so many entries, just for June alone, being "p[er] ip[su]m Regem", > I am wondering if the King was actually doing the pardoning in person, > or even knew about any of these transgressions, or whether these Pardons > were being issued out of Chancery (for the appropriate fee). >> Wibs > ------------------------------- > ------------------------------- > > I believe there two broad types of pardons - specific pardons, relating to a specific offence, and general pardons. The latter were only issued at irregular intervals, when they were handed out en masse (usually for a fee, but in 1404 for free). They would all be in the same standard format, so the record of their issue would not need to specify the offence being pardoned - perhaps the page with Nicholas Bubwith on it deals with a large batch of general pardons. > > As to whether the king was really personally involved, see: > > https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=HhbM5HDx3tAC&pg=PR70&dq=%22warrant+'by+the+king+himself%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2iNGFh9rMAhXiKMAKHUk8B5AQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=%22warrant%20'by%20the%20king%20himself%22&f=false > > What year was Bubwith's pardon issued? > > Matt > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The date on the pardon roll [C 67/30] was 21 Ric II (1397 June-1398 June). From other sources his pardon was for accepting from the pope provisions to various canonries, archdeaconries, etc without license of the king (i.e. against the statute of provisors). Wibs