Also shown in a number of places online: The Survey of the County of York, Taken by John de Kirkby, Commonly Called ... John Kirkby, p 281. "William de Ergham... and Thomas de Outhenby, or de Aunby, and William de Ergham as representatives, the one of Christian, the other of Joan, sisters of Osbert de Arches, while Edmund Mansel claimed a third part, as son and heir of Alice another sister." Jury determined Alice a bastard. Which helps determine some about the relationship between some of these families. Not clear it is the same William de Ergham. Doug Smith

On Monday, 9 May 2016 17:13:42 UTC+1, al...@mindspring.com wrote: > Also shown in a number of places online: > > > > The Survey of the County of York, Taken by John de Kirkby, Commonly Called ... John Kirkby, p 281. > > "William de Ergham... and Thomas de Outhenby, or de Aunby, and William de Ergham as representatives, the one of Christian, the other of Joan, sisters of Osbert de Arches, while Edmund Mansel claimed a third part, as son and heir of Alice another sister." > > Jury determined Alice a bastard. > > Which helps determine some about the relationship between some of these families. Not clear it is the same William de Ergham. > > Doug Smith The Erghum pedigree is briefly as follows: See: G. Wrottesley, Pedigrees from The Plea Rolls (London, 1905), 535. 1. Malger de Erghum married Joan, sister of Osbert de Arches 2. Walter de Erghum 3. William de Erghum (d. aft. 1322) m. Eustache 4. William de Erghum (d. bef. 2 Apr 1347) m. Sibyl dau. of Henry fitz Aucher 5a. Juliana de Erghum (d.s.p) m. John Aske of Ousthorpe (d. 2 Jun 1429) (first wife) 5b. Sibyl de Erghum (d. abt. 1408) m. Robert Cumberworth (d. 1405) Isabel was a daughter of William de Erghum and Eustache. Regards, John

On Monday, 9 May 2016 17:13:42 UTC+1, al...@mindspring.com wrote: > Also shown in a number of places online: > > > > The Survey of the County of York, Taken by John de Kirkby, Commonly Called ... John Kirkby, p 281. > > "William de Ergham... and Thomas de Outhenby, or de Aunby, and William de Ergham as representatives, the one of Christian, the other of Joan, sisters of Osbert de Arches, while Edmund Mansel claimed a third part, as son and heir of Alice another sister." > > Jury determined Alice a bastard. > > Which helps determine some about the relationship between some of these families. Not clear it is the same William de Ergham. > > Doug Smith The Erghum pedigree is briefly as follows: 1. Malger de Erghum married Joan, sister of Osbert de Arches 2. Walter de Erghum 3. William de Erghum (d. aft. 1322) m. Eustache 4. William de Erghum (d. bef. 2 Apr 1347) m. Sibyl dau. of Henry fitz Aucher 5. William de Erghum (d. aft 1405) m. Katherine dau. of Hugh de Cressy 6a. Juliana de Erghum (d.s.p) m. John Aske of Ousthorpe (d. 2 Jun 1429) (first wife) 6b. Sibyl de Erghum (d. abt 1408) m. Robert Cumberworth (d. 1405) Regards, John

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 2:13:55 PM UTC-4, John Watson wrote: > On Monday, 9 May 2016 17:13:42 UTC+1, al...@mindspring.com wrote: > > Also shown in a number of places online: > > > > > > > > The Survey of the County of York, Taken by John de Kirkby, Commonly Called ... John Kirkby, p 281. > > > > "William de Ergham... and Thomas de Outhenby, or de Aunby, and William de Ergham as representatives, the one of Christian, the other of Joan, sisters of Osbert de Arches, while Edmund Mansel claimed a third part, as son and heir of Alice another sister." > > > > Jury determined Alice a bastard. > > > > Which helps determine some about the relationship between some of these families. Not clear it is the same William de Ergham. > > > > Doug Smith > > The Erghum pedigree is briefly as follows: > > 1. Malger de Erghum married Joan, sister of Osbert de Arches > > 2. Walter de Erghum > > 3. William de Erghum (d. aft. 1322) m. Eustache > > 4. William de Erghum (d. bef. 2 Apr 1347) m. Sibyl dau. of Henry fitz Aucher > > 5. William de Erghum (d. aft 1405) m. Katherine dau. of Hugh de Cressy > > 6a. Juliana de Erghum (d.s.p) m. John Aske of Ousthorpe (d. 2 Jun 1429) (first wife) > 6b. Sibyl de Erghum (d. abt 1408) m. Robert Cumberworth (d. 1405) > > Regards, > John Hi John That is very helpful, I had just started to assemble one. Doug Smith