On Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:12:05 PM UTC-5, Tony Hoskins wrote: > For a "Royal Bastards" application, without a copy of (for example) the > original IPM, a secondary source quoting/ abstracting/ transcribing the > IPM would be individually evaluated. This source would then be found > sufficiently substantive and probative - or not. This is a key element > as to why the RB application process is on the one hand the most > demanding and difficult of hereditary societies, but also the most fun > (assuming one finds legalistic problem analysis and solving, and > skills-enlargement, fun.) > > It's important to remember that many lineages accepted by other > societies would not stand a chance of acceptance in the RBs. Also, it is > important to note that a number of lineages included in GBR's and DR's > fine books are as yet (from the standpoint of having undergone scrutiny > by the most rigorous genealogical standards) unproved - though a number > of them, certainly, are hopeful. They await the laser-beam investigation > of the RB's approving genealogist. > > One instance of this involves Elizabeth (Alsop) (Baldwin) Fowler's > extensive royal and Magna Carta ancestry [DR, _PA_, pp. 35-7; DR, > _MCA_, pp.4-6]. Using some of the sources cited by Mr. Richardson > (however, in the original, or else in highly proximate to the event > secondary sources) as well as others I have produced myself, I am in the > process of preparing a supplemental lineage to the RBs involving my > descent from this lady - a hitherto unexamined lineage by the RBs. I am > doing so largely for the enjoyment of 1) testing the validity of the > line on my own, and 2) seeking the objective expert opinion of the RB's > approving genealogist. Once a lineage is accepted by the RBs, one can be > as firmly convinced as humanly possible that it is "proved". This is > "well worth the cost of admittance"! > > Tony Hoskins > Santa Rosa, California How would I go about getting these references you mention on the ancestry of Elizabeth (Alsop) Baldwin? She is in my family tree and I would be very interested in seeing her ancestry. Thank you!