Or Hugh the Abbot. Good grief. She married Tertullus and I've been warned not to confuse her father with the son of Charlemagne but I'm finding next to nothing about the correct title for her father. FMG offers a tiny blurb and refers to him under the heading, "FAMILY of HUGUES [DUKE of BURGUNDY]". A Google search for "Petronilla" results in links that blatantly name her as Charlemagne's granddaughter and nothing on her father. Any help, links, book titles, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

"It would be safer to discard Petronilla and start the line from Ingelger - he definitely existed and was the father of Fulco I, bynamed Rufus, who became count of the Angevins (we have his charter to prove this: "ego Fulco, comes Andegavorum juvenis ... pro anima Ingelgerii patris mei")." Then discard her I shall. Thanks once again, Peter, for your knowledge and willingness to help.

"I should have thought of this at first, but I'm stuck with an outdated brain that tends to go blank on the internet even at its best - in this case, Stewart Baldwin has covered the subject in detail on the Henry Project page for Fulco I, http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/fulk0001.htm." Peter Stewart Again, thank you. It looks like I'll be adjusting yet another line or two. Kathy Becker

On 1/06/2016 10:25 AM, Kathy Becker via wrote: > Or Hugh the Abbot. Good grief. She married Tertullus and I've been warned not to confuse her father with the son of Charlemagne but I'm finding next to nothing about the correct title for her father. FMG offers a tiny blurb and refers to him under the heading, "FAMILY of HUGUES [DUKE of BURGUNDY]". A Google search for "Petronilla" results in links that blatantly name her as Charlemagne's granddaughter and nothing on her father. Any help, links, book titles, etc. would be greatly appreciated. > You could well start by junking any link that names Petronilla as Charlemagne's granddaughter - his son Hugo the Abbot had no recorded offspring. This Hugo was a monk, later archchancellor to his half-brother Louis I, and if he had fathered any recognised child this would have been noted. In the 13th century Alberic of Troisfontaines confused the Carolingian Hugo the Abbot with his younger contemporary and namesake who was a son of Louis I's brother-in-law Conrad the Elder and Adelais of Tours. This younger Hugo the Abbot belonged to the Burgundian family usually known as the Welfs or Welfings. Petronilla who was supposed to be mother of Ingelger (ancestor of the counts of Anjou), and she was said to be related to a duke of Burgundy ("ducis Burgundie consanguineam, nomine Petronillam"). Since the Welfing Hugo was count of Angers as well as abbot of Saint-Martin de Tours, he has been picked out as a plausible kinsman of Petronilla, assuming that she truly existed in the first place. However, her name and alleged Burgundian ducal relationship occur in a later romantic history of the counts of Anjou tracing their lineage to Tortulfus, a forester, whose son Tertullus married Petronilla. Other comital families had legends tracing them to fictional ancestors, the medieval equivalent of internet genealogies derived from digital Chinese whispers. It would be safer to discard Petronilla and start the line from Ingelger - he definitely existed and was the father of Fulco I, bynamed Rufus, who became count of the Angevins (we have his charter to prove this: "ego Fulco, comes Andegavorum juvenis ... pro anima Ingelgerii patris mei"). Peter Stewart

On 1/06/2016 11:03 AM, Peter Stewart via wrote: > > On 1/06/2016 10:25 AM, Kathy Becker via wrote: >> Or Hugh the Abbot. Good grief. She married Tertullus and I've been warned not to confuse her father with the son of Charlemagne but I'm finding next to nothing about the correct title for her father. FMG offers a tiny blurb and refers to him under the heading, "FAMILY of HUGUES [DUKE of BURGUNDY]". A Google search for "Petronilla" results in links that blatantly name her as Charlemagne's granddaughter and nothing on her father. Any help, links, book titles, etc. would be greatly appreciated. >> > You could well start by junking any link that names Petronilla as > Charlemagne's granddaughter - his son Hugo the Abbot had no recorded > offspring. This Hugo was a monk, later archchancellor to his > half-brother Louis I, and if he had fathered any recognised child this > would have been noted. > > In the 13th century Alberic of Troisfontaines confused the Carolingian > Hugo the Abbot with his younger contemporary and namesake who was a son > of Louis I's brother-in-law Conrad the Elder and Adelais of Tours. This > younger Hugo the Abbot belonged to the Burgundian family usually known > as the Welfs or Welfings. > > Petronilla who was supposed to be mother of Ingelger (ancestor of the > counts of Anjou), and she was said to be related to a duke of Burgundy > ("ducis Burgundie consanguineam, nomine Petronillam"). Since the Welfing > Hugo was count of Angers as well as abbot of Saint-Martin de Tours, he > has been picked out as a plausible kinsman of Petronilla, assuming that > she truly existed in the first place. > > However, her name and alleged Burgundian ducal relationship occur in a > later romantic history of the counts of Anjou tracing their lineage to > Tortulfus, a forester, whose son Tertullus married Petronilla. Other > comital families had legends tracing them to fictional ancestors, the > medieval equivalent of internet genealogies derived from digital Chinese > whispers. > > It would be safer to discard Petronilla and start the line from Ingelger > - he definitely existed and was the father of Fulco I, bynamed Rufus, > who became count of the Angevins (we have his charter to prove this: > "ego Fulco, comes Andegavorum juvenis ... pro anima Ingelgerii patris mei"). > I should have thought of this at first, but I'm stuck with an outdated brain that tends to go blank on the internet even at its best - in this case, Stewart Baldwin has covered the subject in detail on the Henry Project page for Fulco I, http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/fulk0001.htm. Peter Stewart Peter Stewart