On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 1:54:49 PM UTC-7, al...@mindspring.com wrote: > Starting point for Hebers: > > Dugdale's Visitation of Yorkshire, with Additions, Parts 5-7, Sir William Dugdale, pps 377-380 at https://books.google.com/books?id=FqJCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA380&lpg=PA380&dq=eleanor+heber+alexander+nowell&source=bl&ots=a6I7M4HZeR&sig=4DvAjXlU4v4LudCeLNy6dQ_EtOQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidzo-KqNDMAhVJZCYKHaHnAVkQ6AEIOjAJ#v=onepage&q=eleanor%20heber%20alexander%20nowell&f=false. > > Doug Smith The Heber family (later Heber-Percy) appeared in Burke's LG through the 1952 edition. A 20th-century member, Robert Heber-Percy (d. 1987) was noted (or notorious) as the "protegé" (wink, wink) of the eccentric 14th Lord Berners. The two of them were covered in a 2014 book by his granddaughter Sofka Zinovieff titled "The Mad Boy, Lord Berners, My Grandmother And Me". The family's pedigree also appears in Whitaker's "History and Antiquities of the Deanery of Craven", following page 70. In the Google Books scanning of the 2nd edition (1812) the pedigree has been mangled in the scanning process, but it's intact in the Internet Archive copy of the 1st edition (1805) here: https://archive.org/details/historyantiquiti00whit

On 11/05/2016 10:37 AM, John Higgins via wrote: > A 20th-century member, Robert Heber-Percy (d. 1987) was noted (or > notorious) as the "protegé" (wink, wink) of the eccentric 14th Lord > Berners. The two of them were covered in a 2014 book by his > granddaughter Sofka Zinovieff titled "The Mad Boy, Lord Berners, My Or even as his "protégé" (sic) without the winks, though I doubt there was very much protéging involved as Robert Heber Percy (he didn't like the hyphen) was a law unto himself. Their house at Faringdon is currently on the market if any Heber relative wants to spring the many millions needed to keep it in the family. Lord Berners wrote a satirical book, *The Girls of Radcliff Hall*, about life there, making Robert one of the girls in a boarding school with himself as headmistress. Robert's wife Dorothy tried to join in the fun but was soon exiled to a cottage in the grounds. Rupert Murdoch's home life has not been nearly as amusing, though he has also been a law unto himself. Peter Stewart

Does anyone have any thoughts on Rupert Murdoch's ancestors #56 and 112, as presented by Reitwiesner and Michael Wood? 56. Nathaniel Parker Forth, b. 27 July 1744 at Ludlow, Shropshire, d. 28 April 1809 in Paris, Lord Chamberlain to King George III, Minister Plenipotentiary to the Courts of Versailles and Madrid m. (2) 25 Aug 1804 at Paris, France 57. Eliza Petrie ... and his father, 112. Capt. Samuel Forth, Sovereign of Langford, b. 1691, d. 1761 m. 113. ___________ [i.e., unknown] Searching "Captain Samuel Forth" in Google yields the following results page, with the fourth item down being a publication from the Royal Irish Academy mentioning "Photostats of two handwritten inscriptions to the memory of Captain Samuel Forth of Longford (d. 1706) and his wife Mary Forth, née Creichtoun ..." Thus, it seems Langford must really refer to Longford in Ireland. A pedigree of "Crichton of Aghalane" on p. 32 of this book shows numerous ancestors of "Maria Chreichtoun, married, 15th December 1720, to Samuel Forth, of the county of Longford." http://digital.nls.uk/histories-of-scottish-families/pageturner.cfm?id=95510909 That seems a bit early for the parents of a child born 1744, but definitely not impossible. Is there maybe an intervening generation? Maria Chreichtoun's ancestry includes two Chreichtoun/ Crichton lines, plus persons named Townley and Fairlie, at least as shown by this chart.

A small bit: I just found this entry from Armorial families : a directory of gentlemen of coat-armour (Volume 2) by Arthur Charles Fox-Davies NEVILL PERCEVAL NOWELL DE ROUEN FORTH, Gentleman, Lieut. 2nd Monmouthshire Regt. Bom 30 Oct., 1905, being the only son of Lieut.-Col. Clarence Thomas Willoughby Forth, late 1st Battn. (88th) Connaught Rangers and 30th Punjabis, late of Glenageary, co. Dublin, who saw service on the frontiers of India and in the Great War (two Frontier Medals of India and two clasps inscribed " Looshar 1890-91, and " Relief of Chitral 1895," British War Medal and Victory Medal), and was for three years Member of the Urban District Council of Kingstown, co. Dublin, the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland, and the Grand Orange Lodge of co Dublin, and Vice President and Hon. Secretary of several of the principal organisations for the mainten- ance of the Union, by his wife, Married 22 June 1897, Gwendoline May Frederica, eld. d. of Frederick William Clay of Meadowbank, Terenure, and Willowdale, Kingstown, co. Dublin, by his wife Emily, d. of Richard White O'Donovan, Leitrim Rifles, of Carrick-on- Shannon ; who was the son of Col. Alfred Charles Forth, bom 17 May, 1834, and died at Paris 26 June, 1906 ; eldest son of Hon. Frederick Henry Alexander Forth, bom 11 Feb. 1808, Capt. 75th Foot now 1st Gordon Highlanders, and 21st Royal Scots Fusiliers, Lieut.- Gov in West Indies and Member of the Legislative Council, Col. Secretary and Col. Treasurer Hong-Kong, who with his younger brother His Excellency Baron Forth-Rouen des Mallets, Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary from Louis Phillippe, King of the French, to several of the courts of Europe, were the sons of Nathaniel Parker Forth, Esq., Special Envoy from George III to the Courts of Versailles and Madrid, bom at Ludlow Castle, Shropshire, 27 July 1744 ; married 26 April 1804, (died 26 May, 1864), d. and co-heir of John Petrie, of Gatton Park, Surrey; and Chateau d'Enn, Pontoise, France, Deputy Lieutenant of Surrey, M.P. for Gatton (1795-1800), and in 1806 Member of the Constituent Assembly of France under Napoleon, and died at Paris 28 April 1809 ; son of Captain Samuel Forth, Sovereign of Longford, bom 1691 ; and died 1761 ; eld. son of Captain Samuel Forth, of Wolseley's Regiment of Horse, High Sheriff of co. Longford 1704, who was attainted by James II and twice severely wounded fighting for William III in the Enniskillen, Boyne and Aughrim campaigns, and died 19 Nov. 1706. Armorial bearings (Granted by William Hawkins, Ulster King of Arms, 13 April, 1698, to Captain Samuel Forth of Wolseley's Regiment of Horse)— Ermine, the harp of Ireland or, between three martlets gules. Mantling gules and argent. Crest— Upon a wreath of the colours a naked dexter arm couped and embowed, the hand holding a broken sword and encircled above the elbow with a ducal coronet all proper. Mottoes — " Deus arma ministrat " ; and " Le fort ne se soumettra jamais." Livery Dress : White coat and waistcoat, with scarlet facings, scarlet breeches, silver buttons, garters and buckles Undress : Light drab coat and overcoat, with scarlet collar and cuffs, silver buttons and hatband, white and scarlet striped waistcoat. Residence— Longford Lodge Sidcup, Kent. Doug Smith