On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 5:01:22 PM UTC-7, Peter Stewart via wrote: > I don't know if this has come up before: Petronilla's mother may have > been the Agatha whose husband William de Grandmesnil died on a 3 October > (year unknown) according to the obituary of Saint-Denis, see > https://archive.org/stream/recueildeshistor01acaduoft#page/326/mode/2up. Interesting possibility. Is the wife of the elder William de Grandmesnil, the son of Hugh, known? taf

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:40:32 AM UTC+10, taf wrote: > On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 5:01:22 PM UTC-7, Peter Stewart via wrote: > > > I don't know if this has come up before: Petronilla's mother may have > > been the Agatha whose husband William de Grandmesnil died on a 3 October > > (year unknown) according to the obituary of Saint-Denis, see > > https://archive.org/stream/recueildeshistor01acaduoft#page/326/mode/2up. > > Interesting possibility. Is the wife of the elder William de Grandmesnil, > the son of Hugh, known? I posted a reply to this via Gen-Med quoting a Latin translation of a charter subscription of William's widow Mabilia - the original in Greek (that will probably not get through the Gen-Med font filter) is: σίγνον χειρὸς μαβήλιας κομητίσσης συμυίου τοῦ ἁπηχωμένου γουλλιἔλμου γραντεμανὴλ τοῦ πρωτοσεβαστοῦ Peter Stewart

On 16/05/2016 10:40 AM, taf via wrote: > On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 5:01:22 PM UTC-7, Peter Stewart via wrote: > >> I don't know if this has come up before: Petronilla's mother may have >> been the Agatha whose husband William de Grandmesnil died on a 3 October >> (year unknown) according to the obituary of Saint-Denis, see >> https://archive.org/stream/recueildeshistor01acaduoft#page/326/mode/2up. > Interesting possibility. Is the wife of the elder William de Grandmesnil, the son of Hugh, known? > Yes, she was Mabilia 'Curta lupa', daughter of Robert Guiscard and Sikelgaita of Salerno - Orderic and Geoffrey of Malaterra gave her name and family, and we also her own charter evidence ("Signum manus Mabiliae comitissae uxoris defuncti Guilelmi Grantemanil protosebasti// "). Peter Stewart