Hello to all, My name is Jeanie Roberts and this is my first message to this list. I have just begun researching my ancestors in this era and the learning curve is very steep. I have done a lot of research on my Great Migration ancestors from the 16th and 17th centuries, but have not ventured to far back until know. I am hoping this list can help me. I am currently researching William de Say the husband of Beatrix de Mandeville, sister of Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex. I am looking for any solid evidence of his ancestry. I have seen multiple sites that have Geoffrey de Say and Hawise de Lucy as his parents. I also found a book called Early Yorkshire Charters Vol. 7 The Honor of Skipton, which suggests that his parents were Jordan de Say and his wife Lucy de Rumilly. Does anyone have any information, one way or the other? Jeanie Sent from Mail for Windows 10

On 27/06/2016 6:40 AM, Jeanie Roberts via wrote: > Hello to all, > > My name is Jeanie Roberts and this is my first message to this list. I have just begun researching my ancestors in this era and the learning curve is very steep. I have done a lot of research on my Great Migration ancestors from the 16th and 17th centuries, but have not ventured to far back until know. I am hoping this list can help me. > > I am currently researching William de Say the husband of Beatrix de Mandeville, sister of Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex. I am looking for any solid evidence of his ancestry. I have seen multiple sites that have Geoffrey de Say and Hawise de Lucy as his parents. I also found a book called Early Yorkshire Charters Vol. 7 The Honor of Skipton, which suggests that his parents were Jordan de Say and his wife Lucy de Rumilly. > > Does anyone have any information, one way or the other? > I don't know of any new information that has come to light since this puzzle was discussed in *Early Yorkshire Charters* - the early history of the seigneurs of Say is very uncertain. Katherine Keats-Rohan in *Domesday Descendants* asserts that William was the son of Jordan and Lucy de Rumilly, but she did not cite any source to prove this beyond question: she seems to have assumed as definite that the Jordan de Say who made a grant to Eynsham on the day his son William was buried there must have been the man married to Lucy, though this is not established. Peter Stewart