On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-7, Stewart Baldwin via wrote: > > On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 8:39:45 PM UTC-6, Stewart Baldwin via wrote: > >> Is there any website linking to DNA studies of royal and/or noble > >> families that limits itself to work of reasonable quality. > I am hoping to find more > material of this type in peer-review journals (or at least something > approaching that quality). I have a folder, clearly incomplete, of peer reviewed papers analyzing the DNA of historical individuals. Sven Estridsen and 'Estrid' (results suggest 'Estrid' skeleton is not mother of Sven, but its identification is dubious) Francesco Petrarca Copernicus Romanovs (several papers, one specifically identifying the hemophilia mutation in Alexei) St. Leopold III (poor quality, mixing poorly identified skeletons with an uncertain pedigree gives you worthless conclusions) Napoleon Jefferson (descendant/cousin testing) Zierdt family Basarabs (assumes living people with this surname are genetic relatives of dynasty) Nso' dynasty of Cameroon Niall (testing of people with surnames traditionally linked to O'Niall) Genghis Khan (based solely on how widespread the haplogroup is within the former Mongol Empire) Ching Dynasty (same as with the Khan, I have seen it said that this was confirmed by direct testing of a descendant, but I never saw that in peer reviewed paper) The 'Dark Counts' - early 19th century couple claiming to be escaped Bourbons but really just posers French Bourbons - (several papers, the first ones based on a couple of dubious artifacts, subsequent work used pedigree analysis and disagreed with first) 'St. Luke' - identification is obviously a big problem here St. Birgita Jesse James Emperor Cao Cao Sayyid Ajjal Shams al-Din Omar (male line ancestor of Admiral Zheng He) - in Mandarin, although an English version has been distributed English Hanoverians looking for porphyria Richard III/Dukes of Somerset There have been a number of studies that have been published in the popular media - Adolph Hitler, Leonardo, Diana's cousin to show she was part Indian, but you never know what to make of these. Then there is also a book on the royal porphyria that did some DNA testing - I do know what to make of it: the author didn't understand what he was doing and his evaluation of the results borders on ridiculous, but that doesn't necessarily mean the conclusion isn't right, if only by coincidence. Let me know if you want details on any of this. taf

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 2:13:46 PM UTC-7, taf wrote: > I have a folder, clearly incomplete, of peer reviewed papers analyzing the DNA of historical individuals. Oops, missed one: King Tut (the scholarly community is split on this work - it was the product of a newly formed national[istic] lab set up specifically so the work would be done by Egyptians and there is a large degree of discomfort over the lack of expertise and hence greater risk of all of the problems, notably contamination, that plague ancient DNA studies) taf

On 6/6/2016 4:13 PM, taf via wrote: > I have a folder, clearly incomplete, of peer reviewed papers analyzing the DNA of historical individuals. > > Sven Estridsen and 'Estrid' (results suggest 'Estrid' skeleton is not mother of Sven, but its identification is dubious) > Francesco Petrarca > Copernicus > Romanovs (several papers, one specifically identifying the hemophilia mutation in Alexei) > St. Leopold III (poor quality, mixing poorly identified skeletons with an uncertain pedigree gives you worthless conclusions) > Napoleon > Jefferson (descendant/cousin testing) > Zierdt family > Basarabs (assumes living people with this surname are genetic relatives of dynasty) > Nso' dynasty of Cameroon > Niall (testing of people with surnames traditionally linked to O'Niall) > Genghis Khan (based solely on how widespread the haplogroup is within the former Mongol Empire) > Ching Dynasty (same as with the Khan, I have seen it said that this was confirmed by direct testing of a descendant, but I never saw that in peer reviewed paper) > The 'Dark Counts' - early 19th century couple claiming to be escaped Bourbons but really just posers > French Bourbons - (several papers, the first ones based on a couple of dubious artifacts, subsequent work used pedigree analysis and disagreed with first) > 'St. Luke' - identification is obviously a big problem here > St. Birgita > Jesse James > Emperor Cao Cao > Sayyid Ajjal Shams al-Din Omar (male line ancestor of Admiral Zheng He) - in Mandarin, although an English version has been distributed > English Hanoverians looking for porphyria > Richard III/Dukes of Somerset > > There have been a number of studies that have been published in the popular media - Adolph Hitler, Leonardo, Diana's cousin to show she was part Indian, but you never know what to make of these. Then there is also a book on the royal porphyria that did some DNA testing - I do know what to make of it: the author didn't understand what he was doing and his evaluation of the results borders on ridiculous, but that doesn't necessarily mean the conclusion isn't right, if only by coincidence. [begin sarcasm warning] I think you forgot to mention the following three books by Elizabeth Caldwell Hirschman and Donald N. Yates: "Jews and Muslims in British Colonial America: A Genealogical History" (2013), "When Scotland Was Jewish: DNA Evidence, Archeology, Analysis of Migrations, and Public and Family Records Show Twelfth Century Semitic Roots" (2013), "The Early Jews and Muslims of England and Wales: A Genetic and Genealogical History" (2014). :-) [end sarcasm warning] I found these while I was searching for DNA genealogy related publications. Just in case my "sarcasm warning" above was not clear enough, I am definitely NOT recommending the above books. I guess every decade has its own version of "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" (this time with DNA "evidence"). Stewart Baldwin

Nathan: I am one of the founders and a member of the editorial board of The Journal of Genetic Genealogy, http://jogg.info Originally published by a group of volunteers, The JoGG has resumed publication under the auspices of the International Society of Genetic Genealogy, ISOGG. Articles from JOGG have been cited in other journals and it is indexed by EBSCO and the Directory of Open Access Journals, DOAJ. Once we can make some coding changes to meet PubMed standards, we will attempt to get indexed in MEDLINE and PubMed. A new Editor, Dr. Leah Larkin, PhD, has been appointed and a Call for Reviewers and Papers is out. There is no subscription charge. Correspondence should go to jogg@isogg.org Steven ================ The Journal of Genetic Genealogy (JoGG) will resume publication later this year. The journal is a community service for both the citizen scientists and academics among us. As such, its success depends on the volunteer efforts of people like you. Right now, we are actively seeking associate editors, reviewers, copy editors, and layout people (described below). If you are interested in one or more roles, please let me know your area(s) of expertise, level of experience, and how much time you might be able to commit. You can also nominate someone. - ASSOCIATE EDITORS work beside the Editor to shepherd individual manuscripts through the review process. If a manuscript is considered appropriate for JoGG, it will be assigned to an Associate Editor (or the Editor), who will solicit peer reviews, summarize the reviewers' comments, outline any revisions necessary, and make a final determination regarding publication. Associate Editors should have experience with scientific publishing and expertise in one or more areas of genetic genealogy. - REVIEWERS are the heart of the peer review process. They evaluate manuscripts within their area of expertise for scientific merit. Reviewers help to determine whether a paper is publishable and, if so, suggest improvements before it appears in final form. They are anonymous to the authors of the papers but acknowledged as a group in the final issue of each year. - COPY EDITORS are good writers with a thing for proper punctuation and a recent version of Microsoft Word. - LAYOUT ensures that the edited manuscript is properly formatted for publication. Of course, we are also accepting new manuscripts for consideration. Until the website is updated, you can request a copy of the Instructions for Authors by emailing me at jogg@isogg.org. Pre-publication copies of accepted papers will appear on the web site immediately after the review process is complete. Best wishes, Leah Larkin, Ph.D. Editor, Journal of Genetic Genealogy ================ > On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 1:18:51 PM UTC-7, nathan...@gmail.com wrote: >> I think the genetic genealogy community has tried on several occasions to >> establish a peer-reviewed journal, but for some reason or another, the idea >> always seems to fizzle. -- Steven C. Perkins SCPerkins@gmail.com http://stevencperkins.com/ Indigenous Peoples' Rights http://intelligent-internet.info/law/ipr2.html Indigenous & Ethnic Minority Legal News http://iemlnews.blogspot.com/ Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Page http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/