On Tuesday, 28 June 2016 06:11:41 UTC+1, Bradley Johnson wrote: > Hello to the members within the Google Medieval Group. I am searching for some information about the ancestors of Baroness Elizabeth Berkeley Betteshorne. Baroness Elizabeth Berkeley Betteshorne was married to John Saint Owen. Her husband John Saint Owen was the son of John Saint Owen and Joan Tyrell. > > Any information and sources about Elizabeth Berkeley Betteshorne's ancestors and I will appreciate it. Hello Bradley, There was no such person as "Baroness Elizabeth Berkeley Betteshorne". No one in the medieval period was ever referred to as a baroness. The wife of a knight was known as Dame or Lady (domina). A) Do you mean Elizabeth Bettesthorne the first wife of Sir John Berkeley, of Beverstone, Gloucestershire (died 5 March 1428). She was the daughter and sole heir of Sir John de Bettesthorne of Sopley, Hampshire, who died on 6 February 1399 by his wife Goda (died after 1399), widow of John de de Cormeilles. Sir John de Bettesthorne was the son of Roger de Bettesthorne (died before 1349) and his wife Margaret, daughter of John de Mere and Eleanor his wife. Margaret died on 9 June 1349. Roger de Bettesthorne was the son of Walter de Bettesthorne. B) or, do you mean, Elizabeth Berkeley, daughter of Sir John Berkeley, of Beverstone, Gloucestershire and his first wife Elizabeth Bettesthorne. She married firstly, as his second wife, before 1408, Edward Cherleton, Lord Cherleton who died s.p.m. on 14 March 1421. She married secondly John Sutton, Lord Dudley, who died on 30 September 1497. She died in December 1478. (CP, iii, 162, & iv, 480). There is no connection with a family of St. Owen, whoever they are. You should stop believing this rubbish that you find in internet pedigrees. Regards, John See: 'Parishes: Minstead', in A History of the County of Hampshire: Volume 4, ed. William Page (London, 1911), pp. 635-638. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/hants/vol4/pp635-638 [but note that there was only one John de Bettesthorne, not two] M. C. B. Dawes, H. C. Johnson, M. M. Condon, C. A. Cook and H. E. Jones, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Richard II, File 102', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Volume 17, Richard II (London, 1988), pp. 402-417. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol17/pp402-417 J. E. E. S. Sharp, E. G. Atkinson, J. J. O'Reilly and G. J. Morris, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Edward III, Files 100 and 101', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Volume 9, Edward III (London, 1916), pp. 248-275 http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol9/pp248-275 'Parishes: Thruxton', in A History of the County of Hampshire: Volume 4, ed. William Page (London, 1911), pp. 387-391. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/hants/vol4/pp387-391