On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 10:24:51 PM UTC-3, Peter Stewart wrote: > On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 8:02:19 AM UTC+10, J.L. Fernandez Blanco wrote: > > On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 5:44:11 PM UTC-3, Douglas Richardson wrote: > > <snip> > > > > The exact relationship between Eustace de Hélicourt and his kinsman, > > > Bernard de Balliol II, is not known. > > > Thank you very much for your thorough answer. > > > > I've found that the most recent studies about this family are those of > > Geoffrey Stell, mainly: > > a) "The Balliol Family and the Great Cause of 1291-1292." Essays on the > > Nobility of Medieval Scotland. Edited by K.J. Stringer (Edinburgh, 1985), > 150-65. And > > b) "In Search of the Balliols: 2. France." Balliol College Record (1999), > 11-5. > > I haven't seen the second of these, but in the first Stell appears to have relied for the relationship between Eustace de Hélicourt and Bernard de Balliol on GA Moriarty's 'The Baliols in Picardy, England and Scotland', *NEHGR* 106 (1952), which he described as "not witrhout errors". > > <snip> > > > So, whatever the relationship between Eustace and Bernard II, it's clear > > that the French fiefs, which were centered around Bailleul-en-Vimeu, > > where the family had its origins, belonged to one or, maybe two, very > > close related families (or two branches of the same family). > > François Darsy in his 1896 study of Hélicourt found not enough evidence to trace the succession of seigneurs before Eustace - the earliest record he cited was the latter's charter dated 1190 for the leper hospital at Val de Bugny. > > Peter Stewart Thank you very much, Peter. It's quite clear. So, for now (and maybe forever, unless some new contemporary records prove otherwise), I cut the ancestry of Eustace, starting the Anglo-Scottish line to King John, not showing his relationship with Bernard II. Cheers, JL