On Saturday, 4 June 2016 17:22:33 UTC+1, Andrew Lancaster via wrote: > Dear List > > It seems a good idea to add the sourcing from Clarence-Smith's footnotes: > > 1. For the death 1210, he cites the Pipe Rolls, PRS 26 NS, p.35 > 2. For the information at the death of Philip Basset, IPM 56 H3, > Calendar I, No. 807, p.273 > > Going beyond the quotation I already passed, Clarence-Smith points out > that Heloise may have been named after her grandmother, and that the IPM > shows she pre-deceased Philip. In a footnote he also mentions that there > is a charter by the Prioress of Wix to the lord Philip Basset and > Helewisia his wife (New Monastican IV, p.515, IV). In the context of the > running article I read this as more evidence of the link to Ralph de > Hastings. > > Relevant to my post here there is then a long footnote about other > theories, which I should now quote in full: > > "G. W. Watson in the article on Despenser in the Complete Peerage, IV, > p.261, says that Sir Hugh Despenser married "Aline, da. & h. of Sir > Philip Basset of Wycombe, Bucks.... by his first wife Wawise, da. of Sir > Matthew de Lonavine of Little Easton, Essex," to which is appended a > footnote: "She had, in free marriage, the manor of Wix, Essex, by the > service of 20s. a year. Some genealogists say that she was da. of John > de Grey of Eaton, Bucks." Her fathering on Sir Matthew de Lovaine has no > other support than the quite unwarranted assumption that she held Wix in > free marriage: in fact she held it by inheritance as the Inquisition > specifies, and Sir Matthew was her overlord but not her father." > > So having noticed this footnote, I suppose this is also a discussion > about a potential correction to CP. (I had not noticed this footnote > when writing my original post.) > > Best Regards > Andrew > > > On 4/06/2016 14:24, Andrew Lancaster wrote: > > > > Clarence-Smith then said that: "He was dead by Michaelmas 1210, > > leaving a daughter under age whose custody and marriage had been > > granted to Alan Bassett for 100 marks. It is not therefore surprising > > to find at the death of Sir Philip Basset of Wycombe, younger son of > > this Alan, in 1271, that he held under Sir Matthew de Lovaine the > > manor of Wix 'by courtesy of England of the inheritance of Helewisia > > his wife'." > > > > Source: Clarence Smith J. A., (1966), "Hastings of Little Easton (part > > 1)", Transactions of the Essex Archaeological Society. Vol. 2, Part 1. > > Dear Andrew, A few observations. If Hawise was the daughter of Sir Matthew de Louvain, then the Sir Matthew de Louvain mentioned as one of the overlords of Wix in the 1271 ipm of Sir Philip Basset, was her brother. Sir Matthew de Louvain died shortly before 11 December 1261, leaving a son and heir Matthew aged 24 and more (CIPM, i., no. 523). He died before 24 May 1302 (CIPM, iv, no. 97). ODNB says that Hawise died before 1254-5, when Philip Basset was married to Ela, the daughter of William Longespée, earl of Salisbury and calls her Helewisa de Lovaine without any parentage. I think that the history of Wix is more complicated than appears in some sources. There may have been more than one manor there, or the manor was held in parts. 1198, In Easter Term 9 Richard I, Ralph de Cornhill and Alice his wife, daughter of Robert de Hastings, were involved in a suit concerning half a knight's fee in Wix with Ralph de Hastings, brother of Robert de Hastings (CRR, i, 61). In Trinity Term 1200-1, Godfrey de Louvain and Alice his wife (widow of Ralph de Cornhill), granted half a knight's fee in Wix to Ralph de Hastings, who granted part of it to William Carbonel (Feet of Fines Essex, i, 23). In 1203, Sewal de Oseville quitclaimed half a knight's fee in Wix to Ralph de Hastings (ibid, 48). In Trinity Term 1203-4, Ralph de Hastings granted half a knight's fee in Wix, formerly held by Alexander de Waham, to Sewal de Oseville (ibid, 33). In Trinity Term 1246-7, the prioress of Wix exchanged land and woods in Wix with Philip Basset and Helewise his wife, (which lands were of the inheritance of Helewise) (ibid, 156). In 1289, the inquisition post mortem of Aline la Despenser, daughter of Philip Basset shows her as holding the manor of Wykes, "whence are paid of yearly rent, for the guard of the castle of Colcestre pertaining to the farm of the hundred of Tendring 12s., to Sir Matthew de Lovaine 10s., and to John Carbonel 14s." (CIPM, ii, no. 389). The ipm of Sir Mathew de Louvain in June 1302 shows Hugh le Despenser holding of him, 1 carucate of land in Wix for half a knight's fee and paying 10s. yearly (CIPM, iv, no. 97). This half a knight's fee in Wix held by the Despensers would appear to be the same half fee disputed between Ralph de Cornhill, his wife Alice de Hastings and Ralph de Hastings in 1198. Regards, John