On Monday, 6 June 2016 16:48:02 UTC+1, Andrew Lancaster via wrote: > My thanks to taf and John Watson for their posts. > > Can I take it that both of you agree that at least the standard > genealogy needs to be considered as less likely to be correct than the > one proposed by Clarence-Smith? > > (Most common position on the internet is that Aline is daughter to > Matthew de Louvaine, lord of the Barony of Little Easton which included Wix. > > Clarence-Smith says she was daughter to Matthew's uncle and tenant Ralph > de Hastings of Wix, who was known to have had an heiress who had been > bought by the Bassets.) > > Or maybe I should ask if anyone can think of an objection to that position? > > By the way I do agree that the Wix manor had parts. If anyone wants to > read a copy of the Clarence Smith two part article let me know, because > it covers many Wix records. > > Regards > > Andrew > > > On 4/06/2016 18:22, Andrew Lancaster wrote: > > > > "G. W. Watson in the article on Despenser in the Complete Peerage, IV, > > p.261, says that Sir Hugh Despenser married "Aline, da. & h. of Sir > > Philip Basset of Wycombe, Bucks.... by his first wife Wawise, da. of > > Sir Matthew de Lonavine of Little Easton, Essex," to which is appended > > a footnote: "She had, in free marriage, the manor of Wix, Essex, by > > the service of 20s. a year. Some genealogists say that she was da. of > > John de Grey of Eaton, Bucks." Her fathering on Sir Matthew de Lovaine > > has no other support than the quite unwarranted assumption that she > > held Wix in free marriage: in fact she held it by inheritance as the > > Inquisition specifies, and Sir Matthew was her overlord but not her > > father." > > > > So having noticed this footnote, I suppose this is also a discussion > > about a potential correction to CP. (I had not noticed this footnote > > when writing my original post.) > > > > Best Regards > > Andrew > > > > > > On 4/06/2016 14:24, Andrew Lancaster wrote: > >> > >> Clarence-Smith then said that: "He was dead by Michaelmas 1210, > >> leaving a daughter under age whose custody and marriage had been > >> granted to Alan Bassett for 100 marks. It is not therefore surprising > >> to find at the death of Sir Philip Basset of Wycombe, younger son of > >> this Alan, in 1271, that he held under Sir Matthew de Lovaine the > >> manor of Wix 'by courtesy of England of the inheritance of Helewisia > >> his wife'." > >> > >> Source: Clarence Smith J. A., (1966), "Hastings of Little Easton > >> (part 1)", Transactions of the Essex Archaeological Society. Vol. 2, > >> Part 1. > >> Dear Andrew, Clarence Smith's evidence that Ralph de Hastings was dead in 1210 and that his heiress was in the custody of Alan Basset is presumably taken from the Pipe Rolls of 12 John: 1209-1210, to which I have no access at the moment. (There is nothing in the fine rolls, close rolls, patent rolls, etc.) If anyone can confirm this, then I think it is a reasonable assumption that Hawise, first wife of Philip Basset was the daughter of Ralph de Hastings and not a daughter of Matthew de Louvain. She was presumably named after her grandmother, Hawise wife of William fitz Robert. Regards, John