This will be brief and down-and-dirty, as I can't devote much time to it. The 5th Annual Supplement to the NEHGR, entitled, rather pompously, the "American Ancestors Journal," 167 (2013): 366-79, discusses the Aylmer ancestry behind Mr. Theophilus1 Hone, an immigrant to Virginia. The wife of his ancestor, John Aylmer (1521-1594), Bishop of London, is stated to be "JUDITH (KING) TREHERON, born about 1541, died 17 December 1618, aged 77. ... She was the daughter of Robert King of Audley End, Essex, and widow of Nathaniel Treheron/ Treherne." The footnote to this gives the following: "_Oxford Dictionary of National Biography_, 3:22, says she was 'Judith Bures alias King of Suffolk, daughter of Robert King.' Metcalfe, _Visitations of Hertfordshire_, 141, says she was 'Judeth, da. of Robert King of Audley End, co. Essex,' ..." John Strype's biography of Bishop Aylmer gives another variation: "He married Judith, the daughter of Bures, or Buers, a good house in Suffolk, being entitled the Bures of Bures. Joan, a daughter of Robert Bures, Esq. was married to Thomas King, a good family in the same county; and after to Sir John Buck, Knight, about the year 1530." https://books.google.com/books?id=eg-D_I0Y6SkC&pg=PA114&dq=%22sir+john+buck%22+bures&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQsYq0_s_NAhUI4CYKHQl1AHsQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=%22sir%20john%20buck%22%20bures&f=false The mention of Joan Bures is a bit confusing, but my feeling is that Strype thinks she was a sister of Judith Bures who married Bishop Aylmer. Note however, the names King and Buck, said to be husbands of Joan Bures. _Miscellanea genealogica et heraldica and the British Archivist_, ser. 3, v.4 (1902), 164-66, is a long and confusingly constructed pedigree which seems to be the basis for the claims about Judith Bures or Judith King: https://books.google.com/books?id=l1tIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA166&dq=%22buers+a+nonne%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0u6G-gdDNAhXBNiYKHY-RAJcQ6AEIJTAB#v=onepage&q=%22buers%20a%20nonne%22&f=false It shows a daughter of Robert de Buers, ".... Buers, a nonne [nun], after ye Suppression of ye howse mar' to .... Kinge, late Abbot of Walden. [His arms are given, then a statement about their child ...] (by whom ..., dr [ie., a daughter], mar' to John Aylmer, bishop of London)." Below this is a recap which is a little easier to read: "A dau', mar' to John Elmer, late B.B. [? Bishop] of London." I read this as stating Robert Buers or Bures had a daughter who was a nun, who, after the Suppression of the monasteries, married to ___ King, also an ex-religious, by whom she had a daughter who married Bishop John Elmer/ Aylmer. Note that the pedigree shows the nun's mother as "Jane, dau' of ... Bucke." Thus it is looking like Strype's Joan Bures, the wife of Thomas King and Sir John Bucke, was actually the mother of Judith King alias Bures, not her sister. The placement of Bucke is wrong, anyway. I found a source in Spanish which spells it out the clearest: "Robert Bures caso con Joan, hija de Robert Buck de Moryeves Manor, Suffolk, Gentilhombre, y Johan nacida Heigham, su mujer." https://books.google.com/books?id=gcllAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22robert+bures%22+stourton&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=buck It also seems Sir John Bucke was two generations further back in the pedigree, not the second husband of Joan Bures who married Robert or Thomas King, as this old book implies: These Buckes residing for the moft part at West-Stanton, and Herthill in Yorkshire, and match'd into the Families of Strelley or Stirely of Woodhall, Thorpe, Tilney (then of Lincolnshire), and Savill, by which we have much noble Kindred; Sir John Bucke for his Service to the House of York, especially at Bosworth, lost his head at Leicester; He married the Daughter of Henry Savill, by whom he had Robert Bucke and other Children, who were brought into the Southern Parts by Thomas Duke of Norfolk, where they have remain'd ever fince; for the Children (being Orphans) were left in miserable Estate by the Attainder of their Father; But the Duke bestow'd two Daughters [of Sir John Bucke] in Marriage, one with the Heir of Bucke, the Other, with the Heir of Fitz-Lewis, very ancient Families, from which Matches divers Honourable and Noble Persons are descended. The Sons [of John Bucke] were, one a Souldier, the other a Courtier, the third, a Priest; afterward the Duke bestow'd Robert Bucke, the Eldest Son at Melford-Hall in Suffolk, and married him into the Families of Higham and Cotton ... https://books.google.com/books?id=Gn5cAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA545&dq=%22john+bucke%22+1485&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiTgPWKs87NAhVLziYKHfXfB6UQ6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=%22john%20bucke%22%201485&f=false Once again, mention of a Robert Bucke married to Heigham or Higham, the Heighams being kin of the Cotton family So it looks like the actual descent of Judith _may_ run, subject, of course, to further proof: Sir John Bucke, d. 1485 = ----- Saville Robert Bucke = Joan Heigham Joan Bucke = Robert Bures [daughter] Bures = Robert or Thomas King Judith King = Bishop Aylmer
The Spanish source appears to contain this sentence: "William King, su futuro esposo, era en ese tiempo religioso de la AbadÃa de Walden, Essex, suprimida en 1537." https://books.google.com/books?id=gcllAAAAMAAJ&q=%22william+king+su+futuro+esposo%22&dq=%22william+king+su+futuro+esposo%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjE1762m9DNAhXJFz4KHQUvC8wQ6AEIHDAA So perhaps the King father of Judith was William King.
Also in the same source: "El Obispo Aylmer se habia casado con su prima hermana Judith King, hija del religioso y la monja como se dijo anteriormente. La primera funcion del Rev. Isaiah Bures fue en Isleworth, de donde fue vicario desde 1577 hasta 1586-7." So, apparently, _Revista de estudios históricos_ from around 1985 should have more on this topic.
On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 11:32:39 AM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote: > This will be brief and down-and-dirty, as I can't devote much time to it. > > The 5th Annual Supplement to the NEHGR, entitled, rather pompously, the "American Ancestors Journal," 167 (2013): 366-79, discusses the Aylmer ancestry behind Mr. Theophilus1 Hone, an immigrant to Virginia. The wife of his ancestor, John Aylmer (1521-1594), Bishop of London, is stated to be "JUDITH (KING) TREHERON, born about 1541, died 17 December 1618, aged 77. ... She was the daughter of Robert King of Audley End, Essex, and widow of Nathaniel Treheron/ Treherne." The footnote to this gives the following: "_Oxford Dictionary of National Biography_, 3:22, says she was 'Judith Bures alias King of Suffolk, daughter of Robert King.' Metcalfe, _Visitations of Hertfordshire_, 141, says she was 'Judeth, da. of Robert King of Audley End, co. Essex,' ..." > > John Strype's biography of Bishop Aylmer gives another variation: "He married Judith, the daughter of Bures, or Buers, a good house in Suffolk, being entitled the Bures of Bures. Joan, a daughter of Robert Bures, Esq. was married to Thomas King, a good family in the same county; and after to Sir John Buck, Knight, about the year 1530." > > https://books.google.com/books?id=eg-D_I0Y6SkC&pg=PA114&dq=%22sir+john+buck%22+bures&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQsYq0_s_NAhUI4CYKHQl1AHsQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=%22sir%20john%20buck%22%20bures&f=false > > The mention of Joan Bures is a bit confusing, but my feeling is that Strype thinks she was a sister of Judith Bures who married Bishop Aylmer. Note however, the names King and Buck, said to be husbands of Joan Bures. > > _Miscellanea genealogica et heraldica and the British Archivist_, ser. 3, v.4 (1902), 164-66, is a long and confusingly constructed pedigree which seems to be the basis for the claims about Judith Bures or Judith King: > > https://books.google.com/books?id=l1tIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA166&dq=%22buers+a+nonne%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0u6G-gdDNAhXBNiYKHY-RAJcQ6AEIJTAB#v=onepage&q=%22buers%20a%20nonne%22&f=false > > It shows a daughter of Robert de Buers, ".... Buers, a nonne [nun], after ye Suppression of ye howse mar' to .... Kinge, late Abbot of Walden. [His arms are given, then a statement about their child ...] (by whom ..., dr [ie., a daughter], mar' to John Aylmer, bishop of London)." Below this is a recap which is a little easier to read: "A dau', mar' to John Elmer, late B.B. [? Bishop] of London." > > I read this as stating Robert Buers or Bures had a daughter who was a nun, who, after the Suppression of the monasteries, married to ___ King, also an ex-religious, by whom she had a daughter who married Bishop John Elmer/ Aylmer. > > Note that the pedigree shows the nun's mother as "Jane, dau' of ... Bucke." > > Thus it is looking like Strype's Joan Bures, the wife of Thomas King and Sir John Bucke, was actually the mother of Judith King alias Bures, not her sister. > > The placement of Bucke is wrong, anyway. I found a source in Spanish which spells it out the clearest: "Robert Bures caso con Joan, hija de Robert Buck de Moryeves Manor, Suffolk, Gentilhombre, y Johan nacida Heigham, su mujer." > > https://books.google.com/books?id=gcllAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22robert+bures%22+stourton&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=buck > > It also seems Sir John Bucke was two generations further back in the pedigree, not the second husband of Joan Bures who married Robert or Thomas King, as this old book implies: > > These Buckes residing for the moft part at West-Stanton, and Herthill in Yorkshire, and match'd into the Families of Strelley or Stirely of Woodhall, Thorpe, Tilney (then of Lincolnshire), and Savill, by which we have much noble Kindred; Sir John Bucke for his Service to the House of York, especially at Bosworth, lost his head at Leicester; He married the Daughter of Henry Savill, by whom he had Robert Bucke and other Children, who were brought into the Southern Parts by Thomas Duke of Norfolk, where they have remain'd ever fince; for the Children (being Orphans) were left in miserable Estate by the Attainder of their Father; But the Duke bestow'd two Daughters [of Sir John Bucke] in Marriage, one with the Heir of Bucke, the Other, with the Heir of Fitz-Lewis, very ancient Families, from which Matches divers Honourable and Noble Persons are descended. The Sons [of John Bucke] were, one a Souldier, the other a Courtier, the third, a Priest; afterward the Duke bestow'd Robert Bucke, the Eldest Son at Melford-Hall in Suffolk, and married him into the Families of Higham and Cotton ... > > https://books.google.com/books?id=Gn5cAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA545&dq=%22john+bucke%22+1485&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiTgPWKs87NAhVLziYKHfXfB6UQ6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=%22john%20bucke%22%201485&f=false > > Once again, mention of a Robert Bucke married to Heigham or Higham, the Heighams being kin of the Cotton family > > So it looks like the actual descent of Judith _may_ run, subject, of course, to further proof: > > Sir John Bucke, d. 1485 = ----- Saville > > Robert Bucke = Joan Heigham > > Joan Bucke = Robert Bures > > [daughter] Bures = Robert or Thomas King > > Judith King = Bishop Aylmer Joan Heigham's parents are Clement Heigham and Joan Cotton, according to Burke's Landed Gentry, 1850, vol.3, p.159 (https://books.google.com/books?id=9NDTAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA159&dq=Robert+Bucke+Joan+Heigham&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPkoHVjtDNAhVImx4KHQADBOIQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q=Robert%20Bucke%20Joan%20Heigham&f=false). Similarly, in a discussion of the ancestry and American immigrant kinships of Sophie, Countess of Wessex in Nexus, Vol. 16 (1999) (https://books.google.com/books?id=SAQQAQAAMAAJ&dq=clement+heigham+joan+cotton&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22clement+heigham%22), Clement Heigham and Joan Cotton are said to be siblings of the Thomas Heigham and Catherine Cotton of Roberts' RD500, p.461. Though I don't have access to RD500, Weis' Ancestral Roots (1992), p.211, sets forth a descent from the Counts of Namur (and therefore Charlemagne) through Milicent of Rethel and Robert Marmion.