On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 5:45:02 PM UTC-7, Stewart Baldwin via wrote: > It is surprising that this genealogy has not been discussed more. I see passing reference in various 19th century accounts - just search Google Books for "Hyring" Northumbria, which has to be in quotes or it will show you hiring=jobs. I see it mentioned in a recent book of correspondence between John Mitchell Kemble and Jacob Grimm, but I only get to see one page so I can't tell the context. I see in my original post I missed commenting on Ermering, and as I look, it opens up an interesting possibility. There is a Goth king Eormenric who appears in Beowulf and Widsith, but also Eormenric, King of Kent, and this last points to the probable origin of this man in the pedigree. Kent Descent: Woden Wicta Witta Wihtgils Hengest Octa Ossa Eormenric This pedigree: Woden ----------- Wihtgils Horsa Uppa Eppa Eormenric I think the pedigree creator has taken the Kent pedigree and swapped Hengest for his brother Horsa, then spliced on the Bernicians by changing Ossa to Eoppa, Ida's father, and then attaching Ida at the end after Eormenric. However, someone needed to make sure that everyone understood the situation, so inserted the eponym Bernoc right before Isa. I don't know if this is relevant or not: the edition of Chronicon ex Chronicis published in the 1840s does not include Bernoc in the pedigree. Does these represent different manuscripts that preserve the 'before and after' for that last addition? taf