Em sábado, 18 de junho de 2016 14:17:58 UTC+1, cynthia.ann...@gmail.com escreveu: > On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 11:08:13 AM UTC-4, cynthia.ann...@gmail.com wrote: > > This came from the 2008 RD600 (if I've copied it correctly): > > King Louis IV of France d. 954 = Gerbera dau. Of Henry I the Fowler, German Emperor, their son: > > Charles, Duke of Lower Lorraine = Adelaide; their daughter: > > Adelaide of Lower Lorraine = Albert I Count of Namur; their son: > > Albert II Count of Namur = Regelinde of Lower Lorraine; their son: > > Albert III, Count of Namur = Ida of Saxony; their son: > > Geoffrey, Count of Namur = Sybil of Chateau-Porcien: their daughter: > > Elizabeth of Namur = Gervais, Count of Rethel; their daughter: > > Milicent of Rethel = (2) Richard de Camville; their son: > > William de Camville = Aubree de Marmion; their son: > > William de Camville = Iseuda; their son: > > Thomas = Agnes; their daughter: > > Felicia de Camville = Phillip Durvassal; their son: > > Thomas Durvassal= Margery; their daughter: > > Margery Durvassal = William de la Spine; their son: > > William de la Spine = Alice de Bruley; their son: > > Sir Guy de la Spine/Spinney = Katherine; their daughter: > > Eleanor Spinney = Sir John Throckmorton; their daughter: > > Agnes Throckmorton = Thomas Winslow; their daughter: > > Agnes Winslow = John Giffard; their son: > > Thomas Giffard = Joan Langston; their daughter: > > Amy Giffard = Richard Samwell; their daughter: > > Susanna Samwell = Peter Edwards; their son: > > Edward Edwards = Ursula Coles; their daughter: > > Margaret Edwards = Henry Freeman; their daughter: > > Alice Freeman (of Massachusetts and Connecticut) = (1) John Thompson; (2) Robert Parke > > > > I keep asking why the lines back from gateway Alice Freeman are no longer valid. I keep getting answers that this is everyone's understanding except for back to Ethelred II they are gone. > > So could someone tell me where this line breaks down? > > I know some of you don't care for gateways but I haven't found another newsgroup that really deals effectively going back. So here I am again. > > Thank you scholars, researchers, historians, for all your help. > > Cynthia Montgomery > > Now that I understand that the Camville line breaks down because the mother of William de Camville isn't Milicent de Rethel but instead Richard de Camville's first wife Alice, does anyone have evidence who this Alice is? We can´t be sure the line breaks down we don´t have enough information to say who is the mother of William but the genealogists seem to support Millicent.