This book states: "Sir John Throckmorton, son of Thomas and Agnes, was responsible for the acquisition of the current family seat at Coughton. On 25 June 1409, Sir John married Alianore, daughter and co-heiress of Sir Guy de la Spine by his wife Katherine, daughter of John Holt and Alianore Durvassal." https://books.google.com/books?id=RYoMXDQdlFEC&pg=PA173&dq=%22de+la+spine%22+throckmorton&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiqh_Dw_bbNAhVDSCYKHfRdCewQ6AEILjAC#v=onepage&q=%22de%20la%20spine%22%20throckmorton&f=false This is quite different from the line presented in the first posting in the thread.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:13:37 AM UTC-7, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote: > This book states: > > "Sir John Throckmorton, son of Thomas and Agnes, was responsible for the acquisition of the current family seat at Coughton. On 25 June 1409, Sir John married Alianore, daughter and co-heiress of Sir Guy de la Spine by his wife Katherine, daughter of John Holt and Alianore Durvassal." > > https://books.google.com/books?id=RYoMXDQdlFEC&pg=PA173&dq=%22de+la+spine%22+throckmorton&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiqh_Dw_bbNAhVDSCYKHfRdCewQ6AEILjAC#v=onepage&q=%22de%20la%20spine%22%20throckmorton&f=false > > This is quite different from the line presented in the first posting in the thread. Yes, but I posted back in January how this proposed Durvassal / Holt / Throckmorton connection is based on nothing more than the fact that John Holt's wife and John Throckmorton's wife were both named Eleanor, and further that the inheritance of Spernore (entailed to the right heirs of John and Joyce Durvassal), by William Spernore's daughters on the death of Walter Holt demonstrates that Walter Holt did not have any surviving sisters - indeed that the entire descent from Nicholas Durvassal, Walter's grandfather, must have become extinct. taf

Thanks Patrick, Todd, and John, for information and analysis of sources and claims concerning the wives of the various generations of Spynes. VCH Warwickshire in the section about Coughton, http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/warks/vol3/pp74-86, discusses a number of land transactions related to the Spynes. While surnames attributed to wives in the various Spyne generations occur in these transactions, there doesn't seem to be any clear indication that any of these transactions resulted from marriages. The given names Joan, Margery, and Alice for Spyne wives are mentioned in these transactions. The marriage settlement for John Throckmorton and Eleanor Spyne (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/f5db12f8-2140-4fbd-b0e8-7795d7bca190) confirms the given name of Guy's wife was Katherine. If the various generations of Spynes acquired their lands by purchase rather than marriage, what was the source of the Spyne wealth?