On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 8:13:35 PM UTC-7, taf wrote: > On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 7:53:35 PM UTC-7, Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr. wrote: > > > SECOND REPLY and CONCLUSION: > > It is not my interest to delve into others religious beliefs, as they are out of the scope of this group; > > So are yours. > > taf ============================ REPLY: There is vast difference between expressing a religion from a missionary standpoint to "convert" individuals, versus necessary studies of religious values and systems, to determine what effect a particular religion has on the preservation of records and genealogies, and accuracy within record systems. TAF, the World Will Get More Religious by 2050; re: Live Science, April 3, 2015. . . .[People who don't believe in any gods as well as agnostics and those not associated with a particular religion will become a smaller slice of the world's population. Though this unaffiliated group will increase in numbers from 1.1 billion to 1.2 billion, it will account for a lower percentage of the population (16 versus 13 percent) in 2050. That won't be the case in the United States, however, where agnostics, atheists and other unaffiliated individuals will increase from 16 percent to 26 percent of the population by 2050, Pew found. Christians in the United States are predicted to decline from 2010's 78 percent to 66 percent by the middle of the 21st century. By that same date, Muslims (2.1 percent of population) are expected to outnumber Jews (1.4 percent) in the United States.] . . . http://www.livescience.com/50370-worlds-religious-population-will-grow.html I like viewing things from a historical perspective, to prove a record factual, rather than to present things in a contentious manner. For example, and I again hope, in conclusion, there is a heated secular versus religious viewpoint, as well as within the LDS community, as to the exact location of the Hill Cumorah. This is well within the medieval time frame of this forum. [In this hill, a Book of Mormon figure, Mormon, deposited a number of metal plates containing the record of his nation of Nephites, just prior to their final battle with the Lamanites in which at least 230,000 people were killed.] This is a very low estimate, as more than likely, at least another 230,000 Lamanites were also terminated, in the process of Nephites self defense for their own lives and families. So, the secular scientists say not so, their are no remains or artifacts, and some LDS professional experts, protect themselves in a secular manner, by saying, Well, we really don't know where this hill is located, yet. Yet, reading the record itself, we find the answer to all the missing remains and artifacts. ". . . the Lamanites . . . feed the women upon the flesh of their husbands, and the children upon the flesh of their fathers . . .] The Nephites, on the other hand, [murder them (Lamanites) in a most cruel manner, torturing their bodies even unto death; and after they have done this, they devour their flesh like unto wild beasts, because of the hardness of their hearts; and they do it for a token of bravery.] From my clearly historical standpoint, IF there had been remains left around the New York location of the Hill Cumorah, and a multitude of artifacts; indeed, it would have DISPROVED the inner contents of the book itself; since, the last battle of all would have been followed by a massive cannibalistic eating frenzy, as well as a complete, total pillaging of all personal and all military equipment and possessions left at the site, over time. Why else would the Lamanite Kings have allowed a gathering of all Nephites together in one single military setting? Answer: Because it was the easiest way for the Lamanites to acquire all of the Nephite treasures, and then eat them up as well, before they has a chance to decompose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumorah Cannibalism does affect available DNA sample size; etc.; re: comic DNA fantasy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_cannibalism#Middle_Ages

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 8:01:10 PM UTC-7, Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr. wrote: > ============================ > REPLY: > There is vast difference between expressing a religion from a missionary standpoint to "convert" individuals, versus necessary studies of religious values and systems, Both are off topic in this group. Stop. Stop now. taf