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    1. Re: A Possible Additional descent from King James V of Scotland for Robert1 Traill of Portsmouth, New Hampshire
    2. Hans Vogels via
    3. Op vrijdag 17 juni 2016 18:22:12 UTC+2 schreef ravinma...@yahoo.com: > (2) Christian Stewart was in fact a daughter of the Earl of Orkney, older than her half-sister Christian Stewart, spouse of John Mouat/ Mowat. It is possible that the 1564 reference to Grizel Stewart, dau. of Robert, feuar, "apparent spouse" to Adam Mudie, is a mistake for CHRISTIAN Stewart. Could it be that Christian alias "Grizel" and Adam were unmarried but living together? Perhaps there was a marriage impediment that prevented them getting married. That could explain the "apparent". Being "unmarried" Christian Stewart could later, when her relation with Adam failed, have married John Mowat. It looks to me that in this timeframe (and other periodes elsewhere) when it was not frowned upon being illegitimate or being a natural child or a bastard (some were even proud), for the person concerning it did not matter what he/she did or what became of him/her because he/she was not a legal child of his parents. Some were lucky and found a marriage partner on the same social (illegitimate of noble descent level) or a marriage partner with a commoner or stayed unmarried with or without illegitimate offspring. Their outlook stayed the same, they were less then their legal kinsman. Hans Vogels

    06/17/2016 06:39:46
    1. Re: A Possible Additional descent from King James V of Scotland for Robert1 Traill of Portsmouth, New Hampshire
    2. Hans Vogels via
    3. > It looks to me that in this timeframe (and other periodes elsewhere) when it was not frowned upon being illegitimate or being a natural child or a bastard (some were even proud), for the person concerning it did not matter what he/she did or what became of him/her because he/she was not a legal child of his parents. > > Some were lucky and found a marriage partner on the same social (illegitimate of noble descent level) or a marriage partner with a commoner or stayed unmarried with or without illegitimate offspring. Their outlook stayed the same, they were less then their legal kinsman. Maybe my Dutch outlook is tainted on this Scottish period. The status and prospects of the illegitimate depended too on the status of the mother. Some fathers really cared about their offspring and others are only known to have fathered an child that gets mentioned once or twice and disappears from records. > > Hans Vogels

    06/17/2016 07:55:01