In Volume 1 page 373, is the Carta of William de Say. It begins with: Isti sunt milites William de Say de veteri feffamento: my attempt to translate: (these are the knights of William de Say of the old feffamento). This is followed by a list of knights. On the following page it says: De noviter feodatis de domnio meo: (The new feodatis of my lord) The first name is: Willelmus de Say avunculus meus j militem de Witehurst: ( William de Say, my uncle, one knight's fee ) other knights names then Willelmus filius, quintam parem militis in Kembolton. ( William son 1/5 knights fee Kimbolton). The date is 1166. In Medieval Lands, William de Say of Kimbolton was the s/o William de Say and Beatrix de Mandeville. Does the first part of the Carta refer to the elder William who according to Medieval Lands died about 1155? Who is being referred to as My Lord in the beginning of the second part. And who is calling William de Say my uncle? Does the William de Say of the Carta have an Uncle named William and a son named William? Or do I have this completely wrong. Hoping someone is bored this Saturday morning and can help. Jeanie