El dijous, 16 setembre de 1999 9:00:00 UTC+2, John Yohalem va escriure: > -- > John Yohalem > enchante@herodotus.com > > "Saepe fidelis" > > NiCubano wrote in message <19990912080257.20413.00006529@ng-cs1.aol.com>... > >Thank you Brant! > > > >Nic. > > The capture of Bayezid "the Thunderbolt" was a major event in European > history -- he was about to conquer Constantinople, which instead held out > for another half century. Tamurlane is said to have kept the Sultan in a > cage until the poor man committed suicide. Tamerlane died abruptly in 1405, > as he was about to undertake the conquest of China, and his empire promptly > fell apart. This permitted the squabbling sons of Bayezid to put their > empire together again. > > Legends that Bayezid had a daughter or other female companions along for the > ride, and that these ladies married Tamurlane or his sons, or had other > adventures, have filled European lore ever since, inspiring many a classic > tragedy and opera libretto. > > There is no truth to any of them, and Angelina, Maria and Catalina are quite > fictitious. > > Jean Coeur de Lapin > > > John Yohalem > enchante@herodotus.com > > "Saepe fidelis" I know that it's been a long time since this post was started, but I wanted to clarify some facts. According to historians and scholars, Angelina and her sister* Maria did exist. We have different documented sources ("many" taking into account the times) in which she is depicted as a real character, from Argote de Molina's investigation to Seville's municipal accounts (where they disembarked and were included in the register of the city, even recording what they had eaten for meals) to documents such as those found in King Felipe IV's counsil and a letter to Francisco Imperial's poems referring to Angelina, and others found in the Cancionero de Baena, to recent studies by reputable experts like Malkiel or Nepaulsingh. So in this case we find many texts that attest to the veracity of the facts. Thus, Angelina had a very important influence in medieval Spanish literature and even in the XIX century she was mentioned in novels such as Larra's El doncel de don Enrique el Doliente. Sadly, it is difficult to know more about her identity, since she could be part of the royal family of either Hungary, Wallachia, Galicia (in Eastern Europe, not Spain) or any other kingdom of the period. Malkiel proposes that Angelina was probably related to the Angelos dynasty from Greek origins and to another prominent/royal family from Hungarian (or surrounding territories) origins. I hope this gives more information on this interesting topic. Obviously, the possibilities mentioned above about their origins are simple assumptions, but what is clear is that they existed. _____ *Some historians state that they were not sisters, but that Angelina was a member of a royal family and Maria a maiden (based on some writings and records). However, we will not be categorical on this and follow the oldest text, which says that they were sisters.

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:13:16 AM UTC+10, tempu...@gmail.com wrote: > El dijous, 16 setembre de 1999 9:00:00 UTC+2, John Yohalem va escriure: > > -- > > John Yohalem > > enchante@herodotus.com > > > > "Saepe fidelis" > > > > NiCubano wrote in message <19990912080257.20413.00006529@ng-cs1.aol.com>... > > >Thank you Brant! > > > > > >Nic. > > > > The capture of Bayezid "the Thunderbolt" was a major event in European > > history -- he was about to conquer Constantinople, which instead held out > > for another half century. Tamurlane is said to have kept the Sultan in a > > cage until the poor man committed suicide. Tamerlane died abruptly in 1405, > > as he was about to undertake the conquest of China, and his empire promptly > > fell apart. This permitted the squabbling sons of Bayezid to put their > > empire together again. > > > > Legends that Bayezid had a daughter or other female companions along for the > > ride, and that these ladies married Tamurlane or his sons, or had other > > adventures, have filled European lore ever since, inspiring many a classic > > tragedy and opera libretto. > > > > There is no truth to any of them, and Angelina, Maria and Catalina are quite > > fictitious. > > > > Jean Coeur de Lapin > > > > > > John Yohalem > > enchante@herodotus.com > > > > "Saepe fidelis" > > I know that it's been a long time since this post was started, but I > wanted to clarify some facts. According to historians and scholars, > Angelina and her sister* Maria did exist. We have different documented > sources ("many" taking into account the times) in which she is depicted > as a real character, from Argote de Molina's investigation to Seville's > municipal accounts (where they disembarked and were included in the > register of the city, even recording what they had eaten for meals) to > documents such as those found in King Felipe IV's counsil and a letter > to Francisco Imperial's poems referring to Angelina, and others found > in the Cancionero de Baena, to recent studies by reputable experts like > Malkiel or Nepaulsingh. So in this case we find many texts that attest > to the veracity of the facts. The article about Angelina by Renée Kahane and María Rosa de Malkiel, with sources fully cited, is available [from its original publication in *Nueva revista de filología hispánica* 14 (1960)] at http://aleph.org.mx/jspui/bitstream/56789/27825/1/14-001-002-1960-0089.pdf. Peter Stewart