Em terça-feira, 31 de maio de 2016 23:51:46 UTC+1, Peter Stewart via escreveu: > On 31/05/2016 10:46 PM, Kathy Becker via wrote: > > > >> There is definitely not a consensus about this - the ultimate source for > >> "Popa" as a wife of Rollo is Dudo of Saint-Quentin, a notoriously > >> divisive figure considered by many historians to be a fantasist and > >> something of a pest. > >> > >> Dame Jinty Nelson wrote in 2011: "It is high time that historians > >> stopped citing Dudo, with however many qualifications, as supplying any > >> evidence at all for Rollo's wives or mistresses." > >> > >> It is by no means certain that Dudo's "Popa" even existed, much less > >> that her father was Berengar. > >> Peter Stewart > > > > Thank you very much, Peter. After I re-read all of my sources, my gut told me, "When in doubt, leave it out." I love your comment about Dudo. That made me laugh. > > > > > > Dudo makes me laugh, I can only think of him as a comedian trying very > hard to be a serious Franco-Norman moralist. > > My hunch is that "Popa" was invented by him to cast a glow of Christian > association over Rollo's immediate family. The name is peculiar for a > female, though suspiciously similar to Poppo (also called Poppa) the > German missionary credited with converting the Danes (Dudo called the > Normans "Dacians", meaning Danes). > > Peter Stewart Well Rollo´s son contemporany Planctus states (without naming her) that she was a Christian, and that her son William was born overseas.

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:36:56 AM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > Well Rollo´s son contemporany Planctus states (without naming her) that > she was a Christian, and that her son William was born overseas. This was said about William's (generic) mother, not about Dudo's Poppa in particular. It is probably a mistake to assume that they refer to the same person. taf

On 7/7/2016 10:12 AM, taf via wrote: > On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:36:56 AM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > >> Well Rollo´s son contemporany Planctus states (without naming her) that >> she was a Christian, and that her son William was born overseas. > This was said about William's (generic) mother, not about Dudo's Poppa in particular. It is probably a mistake to assume that they refer to the same person. For what it is worth, Dudo does state that Poppa was William's mother. This is not necessarily inconsistent with the statement of the Planctus, but it would also be wrong to say that the Planctus supports Dudo's statements about William's mother. Stewart Baldwin