On 14/05/2016 4:17 AM, Jason Quick via wrote: > Possible Ancestry of Main d’Aubigne > > Ralph the Large de Gahard and his Son Main d’Aubigne were the lords of Aubigne, which included a cluster of towns and mound fortifications centered around the Breton village of Saint-Aubin-d'Aubigné. The other villages included; Chauvigné, Gahard, Saint-Médard-sur-Ille, Saint-Germain and Montreuil-sur-Ille all located between Rennes and Vitré. In Chauvigné, the Lord’s Aubigne held land in fee to the Lords of Fougères (Ferns), and probably shared a close relationship with them through a matrimonial marriage do to similar naming patterns.(a) > > The first mention of Ralph the Large is c. 1040 in a charter chronicling the donation of Borne wood to the monks of of Gahard. (b) The citation given in your note (b) for this is incorrect - it is not in "Recueil des historiens des Gaules et de la France, Volume 10 edited by Martin Bouquet, Léopold Delisle pg 10" (that contains part of Radulf Glaber's chronicle) but in the first part of 'Recueil d'actes inédits des ducs et princes de Bretagne' edited by Arthur de la Borderie, p. 33, see https://books.google.com.au/books?id=XqswAQAAIAAJ. <snip> > Keats-Rohan, mentions a clue that might shed some light on the ancestry of Ralph the Large. She mentions a Euen de Saint-Germain, who was probably an uncle to Main d’Aubigne (m) that is named in a charter involving the Monastery of St Martin in Erbreé (B. N. lat. 5441.3, pp. 295-6) located in the French Archives(n). This charter loosely translated with help from accounts from Michel Brand'Honneur (o) and a separate text from the Abbey of Martimour (Rennes, AD Ille-et-Vilaine, 6 H 34 n° 3 Numéro 2168)(n) . There were three Soldiers; Norman, Frotgier, and Adam all sons of Tetbaud who were disputing Hervé the cannon of Tours of becoming a monk at the Monastery of Erbrée. One of the brothers became ill and while he was dying retracted his dispute with Hervé. Claritia, Adam’s aunt, wife of Eudon son of Almodius, protested and assaulted Hervé by hitting him on the head with a stick and in front of Rivallon the priest. The lord of the area, Andrew I of Vitre th! en imprisoned Clarice and called a council at the Hall of Dominus to settle the dispute with Hervé and all of Clarice’s relatives. They in turn had to claim that Herve could become a monk because Andrew needed to keep the peace because of violence and protest with the other monks. Clarice was henceforth whipped as a result of her insolence. Among the witnesses are Norman’s sons; Hamelin, Payen, Andrew, and his daughter ; and her Husband Ewen (Euen) Saint-Germain. Also in attendance are Frotgier’s sons Walter (Gualterio) and Botardo. Another online translation that was used that was translated by DuPaz (p). > If anyone would like to take a stab at translating further and or finding mistakes please do. I don't have time to go through this in detail, but the dispute was not over Hervé, a canon at Tours, becoming a monk at 'the Monastery of Erbrée', rather it was over his giving the church of Erbrée and its presbyterate to Marmoutier (not 'Martimour') when he became a monk there. Clarice struck him at the altar when he and Rivallon were saying mass, and she was whipped for this sacrilege rather than for insolence. The citation given by Keats-Rohan ('B. N. lat. 5441.3, pp. 295-6') is not to this charter at all but to to a 17th-century copy of a notice in the cartulary of Marmoutier that Ralph the Large had given them the church of Saint-Médard with the assent of his nine sons, as referenced in your note (f), see http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9077003n/f161.image.r=latin%205441. Peter Stewart