On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-7, taf wrote: > Quite sure? no. All I can say is that I found an online genealogy that > cites various dates and the marriage of Diwisch and Gisela to this source, > as well as using it on the page for Gisela's 'brother' Gaston V (which > reinforces my suspicion that her father represents the 11th century > Centule V in disguise) but not being able to see the book, I can't be > certain they are using the citations properly. Oops, I meant to say Gaston IV here. The actual pedigree runs viscount Gaston III, viscount Centule V (m. Beatrix of Foix/Bigorre/Carcassonne), viscount Gaston IV, in the 11th century. The online pedigree runs count Gaston III, count Centule (m. Beatrix of Carcassonne), count Gaston IV (& Gisela m. Diwisch), in the 13th century. This is what leads me to suspect someone has duplicated the earlier generations of the pedigree to fill in the missing centuries. taf

On 6/05/2016 5:22 AM, taf via wrote: > On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 6:23:52 AM UTC-7, taf wrote: > >> Quite sure? no. All I can say is that I found an online genealogy that >> cites various dates and the marriage of Diwisch and Gisela to this source, >> as well as using it on the page for Gisela's 'brother' Gaston V (which >> reinforces my suspicion that her father represents the 11th century >> Centule V in disguise) but not being able to see the book, I can't be >> certain they are using the citations properly. > > Oops, I meant to say Gaston IV here. > > The actual pedigree runs > > viscount Gaston III, > viscount Centule V (m. Beatrix of Foix/Bigorre/Carcassonne), > viscount Gaston IV, in the 11th century. > > The online pedigree runs > > count Gaston III, > count Centule (m. Beatrix of Carcassonne), > count Gaston IV (& Gisela m. Diwisch), in the 13th century. > > This is what leads me to suspect someone has duplicated the earlier generations of the pedigree to fill in the missing centuries. > > I wonder if only the Béarn names and succession have been taken from Las Cases, and then false dates and the putative Sternberg connection have been added from 'Personal knowledge of Kirk Larson' and/or 'The Generations Network, "Ancestry Family Trees" database', both cited on the family history webpage that was linked from my earlier post. In any case there is a double imposture going on, messily dragging Béarn individuals forward from the 11th century to meet up in the 13th with Sternbergs press-ganged back from the 14th (the second Diwisch in the lineage as carefully traced by Rolleder occurs in charters from 1305 to 1330, with his wife's name unknown and explicitly no offspring). Peter Stewart