On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, Gordon Banks via wrote: > My yDNA is the common British Isles R1b. Supposedly these ancestors sheltered during the Ice Age on the Iberian Peninsula. The DNA testing company offers connections with others who match you at 12, 25, 37, 64, etc markers. You also list your birthplace, which in my case, was New Mexico. I was interested to find that most of my 12 marker matches (none of the higher matches) were with Hispanic people. I was contacted by several of my Hispanic "cousins" from New Mexico with 12 marker matches who picked up that I was from the same area (New Mexico was settled by Spanish colonists 400 years ago, for those who didn't know). Unfortunately, I had to inform them that 12 marker matches were not all that close and that our yDNA relationship was probably 12000 years old. > > On Jun 12, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Don Stone via wrote: > > > Colin, > > > > An excellent story showing the payoff for persistent, systematic work, > > utilizing all available tools. > > > > In my case, Y-chromosome DNA testing came after I had worked out my > > patrilineal pedigree. The pedigree has one link in New England for which > > I could find strong circumstantial evidence but no direct proof > > (http://donstonetech.com/StoneFamily/slides/JosStoneInBartlett.html, > > http://donstonetech.com/StoneFamily/slides/JosStoneInv3.html). The Y-DNA > > match (35/37 STR) with a well-documented descendant of the Massachusetts > > immigrant Gregory Stone supports (but doesn't prove, of course) the > > pedigree I worked out; he would be a 9th cousin. A number of earlier > > genealogists had tried to connect my ancestor Joseph Stone of > > Connecticut with the family of the brothers John and William Stone, > > immigrants to Guilford, Connecticut. (Traces of this still appear on > > the Web.) However, the Stones of Guilford are Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1a1a2 > > (R-M269), whereas I am Y-DNA haplogroup I1a3 (I-Z63). > > > > The latest presentation of my patrilineal ancestry and Y-DNA is at > > http://donstonetech.com/StoneChart. This version has some information > > about paleoclimatology, cultural developments, etc., to make it more > > interesting. For me the DNA testing was a catalyst for expanding my > > horizons backward in time. For example, I had previously mostly ignored > > information about ice ages, but now that I have some idea where my > > patrilineal ancestors were living during the Last Glacial Maximum, I > > have considerable interest in what their lives were probably like. > > > > -- Don Stone > > > > > > On 6/12/2016 6:22 AM, Colin Withers via wrote: > >> After facing a brick wall in my own family's genealogy for nearly 30 > >> years, the wall finally came down 10 years ago. Here is the link to > >> the article I wrote then on the Yorksgen group, and thankfully > >> archived by rootsweb: > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/YORKSGEN/2006-08/1156683092 > >> Wibs > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Just wanted to add that the idea R1b originated pre ice-age in Iberia is outdated, the modern thoughts based on the massive amount of DNA progress (and matching it to known and new archeology and ancient DNA) supports R1b actually coming into Europe around the early Bronze age. http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-migration-map.jpg

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 1:33:39 PM UTC-7, Matthew Langley wrote: > Just wanted to add that the idea R1b originated pre ice-age in Iberia is > outdated, the modern thoughts based on the massive amount of DNA progress > (and matching it to known and new archeology and ancient DNA) supports > R1b actually coming into Europe around the early Bronze age. Matthew makes a good point. In the earliest days of this type of analysis a simplistic assumption was applied to the origins of these haplogroups. They looked at a map to see where they were most common in the population, and assigned that was their place of origin. (It is this thinking that led Bryan Sykes to give personal names and cultural biographies to his 'Seven Daughters of Eve' - all nonsense, though popular nonsense.) It has since become clear through the study of ancient DNA that modern distribution patterns have been repeatedly altered by migration, social selection and contingency, and are poor indicators of where the haplogroup originated. In the case of the Ice-Age refugia, a recent study showed, at least in terms of mtDNA, that immediately after emerging, Europe's hunter-gatherer population was diverse, but then a single group of hunter-gatherers suddenly expanded and replaced most of that diversity. They must have come up with some sort of technological or genetic innovation that enabled them to out-compete and supplant everyone else. They were in turn were mostly replaced by the farmers from Anatolia, such that there is very little of any European hunter-gatherer types left anywhere but on the fringes, and in turn the Indo-Europeans. Any haplogroup that is currently high in western Europe will have come with these later groups and not from the refugia. Even the Basques, typically presented as 'different' from all other Europeans, are genetically derived from these later migrants and not from the native hunter-gatherers. Still these old just-so stories about where the haplogroups arose are going to be floating around the internet forever, so be careful. taf