Dear List It seems a good idea to add the sourcing from Clarence-Smith's footnotes: 1. For the death 1210, he cites the Pipe Rolls, PRS 26 NS, p.35 2. For the information at the death of Philip Basset, IPM 56 H3, Calendar I, No. 807, p.273 Going beyond the quotation I already passed, Clarence-Smith points out that Heloise may have been named after her grandmother, and that the IPM shows she pre-deceased Philip. In a footnote he also mentions that there is a charter by the Prioress of Wix to the lord Philip Basset and Helewisia his wife (New Monastican IV, p.515, IV). In the context of the running article I read this as more evidence of the link to Ralph de Hastings. Relevant to my post here there is then a long footnote about other theories, which I should now quote in full: "G. W. Watson in the article on Despenser in the Complete Peerage, IV, p.261, says that Sir Hugh Despenser married "Aline, da. & h. of Sir Philip Basset of Wycombe, Bucks.... by his first wife Wawise, da. of Sir Matthew de Lonavine of Little Easton, Essex," to which is appended a footnote: "She had, in free marriage, the manor of Wix, Essex, by the service of 20s. a year. Some genealogists say that she was da. of John de Grey of Eaton, Bucks." Her fathering on Sir Matthew de Lovaine has no other support than the quite unwarranted assumption that she held Wix in free marriage: in fact she held it by inheritance as the Inquisition specifies, and Sir Matthew was her overlord but not her father." So having noticed this footnote, I suppose this is also a discussion about a potential correction to CP. (I had not noticed this footnote when writing my original post.) Best Regards Andrew On 4/06/2016 14:24, Andrew Lancaster wrote: > > Clarence-Smith then said that: "He was dead by Michaelmas 1210, > leaving a daughter under age whose custody and marriage had been > granted to Alan Bassett for 100 marks. It is not therefore surprising > to find at the death of Sir Philip Basset of Wycombe, younger son of > this Alan, in 1271, that he held under Sir Matthew de Lovaine the > manor of Wix 'by courtesy of England of the inheritance of Helewisia > his wife'." > > Source: Clarence Smith J. A., (1966), "Hastings of Little Easton (part > 1)", Transactions of the Essex Archaeological Society. Vol. 2, Part 1. >

My thanks to taf and John Watson for their posts. Can I take it that both of you agree that at least the standard genealogy needs to be considered as less likely to be correct than the one proposed by Clarence-Smith? (Most common position on the internet is that Aline is daughter to Matthew de Louvaine, lord of the Barony of Little Easton which included Wix. Clarence-Smith says she was daughter to Matthew's uncle and tenant Ralph de Hastings of Wix, who was known to have had an heiress who had been bought by the Bassets.) Or maybe I should ask if anyone can think of an objection to that position? By the way I do agree that the Wix manor had parts. If anyone wants to read a copy of the Clarence Smith two part article let me know, because it covers many Wix records. Regards Andrew On 4/06/2016 18:22, Andrew Lancaster wrote: > > "G. W. Watson in the article on Despenser in the Complete Peerage, IV, > p.261, says that Sir Hugh Despenser married "Aline, da. & h. of Sir > Philip Basset of Wycombe, Bucks.... by his first wife Wawise, da. of > Sir Matthew de Lonavine of Little Easton, Essex," to which is appended > a footnote: "She had, in free marriage, the manor of Wix, Essex, by > the service of 20s. a year. Some genealogists say that she was da. of > John de Grey of Eaton, Bucks." Her fathering on Sir Matthew de Lovaine > has no other support than the quite unwarranted assumption that she > held Wix in free marriage: in fact she held it by inheritance as the > Inquisition specifies, and Sir Matthew was her overlord but not her > father." > > So having noticed this footnote, I suppose this is also a discussion > about a potential correction to CP. (I had not noticed this footnote > when writing my original post.) > > Best Regards > Andrew > > > On 4/06/2016 14:24, Andrew Lancaster wrote: >> >> Clarence-Smith then said that: "He was dead by Michaelmas 1210, >> leaving a daughter under age whose custody and marriage had been >> granted to Alan Bassett for 100 marks. It is not therefore surprising >> to find at the death of Sir Philip Basset of Wycombe, younger son of >> this Alan, in 1271, that he held under Sir Matthew de Lovaine the >> manor of Wix 'by courtesy of England of the inheritance of Helewisia >> his wife'." >> >> Source: Clarence Smith J. A., (1966), "Hastings of Little Easton >> (part 1)", Transactions of the Essex Archaeological Society. Vol. 2, >> Part 1. >>