On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 3:26:11 PM UTC-7, PDeloriol via wrote: > T'was I who originally placed Helen as daughter of Allachie in the Roglo > database as she is many times an ancestor of mine. I did however find new > evidence that shows she was indeed daughter of Ballintomb in the last few > months. > > Unfortunately we are in the throes of moving and with the combined 10,000 > books I have along with the countless family trees i have collated i will > not be able to find the suitable data for this lady in the short term. As i > explained to Brad in an earlier email, there may be a short cut. I sent my > original findings to a cousin who also genealogises and he may have kept my > findings, if so I will post them onto this group. > > In short the proof lies in three land exchanges or gifts from Allachie to > his niece, Helen, daughter of his older brother Ballintomb and wife of the > 'Goodman of Keithmore'. He left his niece most of his estate. > > Interesting the appendage of 'Goodman' denoting that Alex Duff, whose sword > I have, Was not of Gentle birth! > > Peter Here's some context as background for Peter's note, for those who may be interested: Brad Verity and I with a couple of others have exchanged emails in the past few days regarding the parentage of Helen Grant, wife of Alexander Duff of Keithmore. As the Duff surname may suggest, this couple is ancestral to the Duke of Fife, as well as many other people including the poet Lord Byron, Prince William the Duke of Cambridge - and Peter de Loriol! The discussion was prompted by Brad's recent post on his "Royal Descent" blog (http://royaldescent.blogspot.com/) regarding the matrilineal line of descent for Katharine Gordon, mother of Lord Byron the poet. Helen Grant is a part of that line, but sources have differed as to whether her father was Alexander Grant of Allachie (as indicated in Brad's blog post) or his elder brother Archibald Grant of Ballintomb. For example (and these are not the only sources at issue), BP (starting at least as early as 1914 and continuing to the last edition of 2003) indicates her father to be Archibald Grant of Balintomb, while Burke's LG, in at least one of its editions, says he was Alexander Grant of Allachie. As Peter suggests in his note, he had previously supported Alexander Grant of Allachie as Helen's father, but he recently found evidence causing him to change to Archibald Grant of Balintomb. If anybody has any information to add on this issue, it would be quite welcome.