Back in November 2003 the late Brice Clagett reported here on an alleged early Plantagenet descent for the Puleston family that had recently been published in “The Augustan”. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2003-11/1069111275 The descent was as follows: 1. Geoffrey Plantagenet, Count of Anjou. (By mistress:) 2. Emma of Anjou, m. (2) Dafydd ap Owain Gwynedd, Prince of Gwynedd. 3. Gwenllian ferch Dafydd, m. Gruffydd ap Cadwgan ap Bleddyn ap Cynfyn. 4. Hunydd ferch Gruffydd, m. Sandde Hardd, lord of Burton and Llai, Denbighshire. 5. Moriddig ap Sandde Hardd, lord of Burton and Llai, m. Tangwystl ferch Cadfan ap Cadwaladr. 6. Hywel ap Moriddig, lord of Burton and Llai, m. Gwladys ferch Gruffydd ap Meilir Eyton 7. Ynyr ap Hywel ap Moriddig, lord of Ial, Denbighshire; m. _____. 8. Llywelyn ab Ynyr, Lord of Gellignan in Ial, Denbighshire; m. Margred ferch Gruffydd ap Iorwerth. 9. Margred ferch Llywelyn ab Ynyr; m. Sir Roger Puleston, of Emral, Flintshire, who d. c. 1339 Brice pointed out that the validity of this descent depended on the parentage of #4, Hunydd ferch Gruffudd ap Cadwygon, who was variously reported in Bartrum’s Welsh Genealogies as being either the daughter or the sister of Gruffudd ap Cadwygon. The late William Addams Reitwiesner had previously discussed this point in a post of 7 Nov 2002 in this group. WAR noted that Bartrum’s table Sandde Hardd 1 showed Hunydd as a daughter of Gruffudd ap Cadwygon, while his table Bleddyn ap Cynfyn 46 showed Hunydd as his sister. In the latter case, Hunydd would not be a Plantagenet descendant, and the Puleston descent (as well as others) would fail. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2002-11/1036440626 The reports of the discrepancies in Bartrum regarding Hunydd’s parentage were likely based on the published versions (1974 and 1983) of Bartrum’s Welsh Genealogies. However, the versions of his tables now available online incorporate changes made by Bartrum to his tables subsequent to their original publication. In this case, the inconsistent reporting of the parentage of Hunydd has been eliminated. Bartrum’s table Bleddyn ap Cynfyn 46 now shows Hunydd as the daughter, not the sister, of Gruffudd ap Cadwygon. If accurate, this removes the doubt about this particular step in the descent shown above. http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5210/Bleddyn%20ap%20Cynfyn%2046.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y To be clear, I’m not opining on the accuracy of Bartrum’s statement regarding this parentage – either as originally stated or as revised by him. I’m simply pointing out that the inconsistency between Bartrum’s tables in this matter was resolved by him before he died. If he was accurate in this correction, it opens an avenue for Plantagenet descents which has not been much explored previously.

Yes same person just diff. way of referring to him. Doug Smith

> GENERATION XV > William "The Extravagant" Awbrey was bc 1581 Tredomen, Brecknockshire, > Wales. He marr. Elizabeth Johns (b 1595 in Wales), dtr of Sir Thomas Johns. > William's will was proved in 1631 & he died broke. Children of William & > Elizabeth were Edward (bc 1617 Tredomen), Reginald (bc 1619 in Tredomen), > John (bc 1623 in Abercynfrig) & Thomas (bc 1624). The wills of Sir William Awbrey and his son and heir Edward: Will of Sir William Awbrey of Tredomen in the Dioces of Saint Davids Knight Will dated 30 September 1626 Will proved 4 November 1631 commission granted to son Edward Awbrey; relict Elizabeth renounced; William Awbrey Clerk mentioned Will exhibited 5 May 1631 Requests burial in the Colledg Church of Saint Davides in the Awbreys Chappell as neer as Convenient may be to my Children ther interred Kinsman: S[i]r Henry Williams of Gwer...evett Knight, Uncle: Mr W[illia]m Awbreie doctor of lawes, My Allies man:Anthony Gwyne of Llansaid Esquier, Uncle: William Awbrey of the Cantrif Clerke, Uncle: John Maddockes of Llandmach Esquier all my landes, tenem[en]tes and hered[ita]m[en]tes in the p[ar]ishes of Llanville Llandyvailogg Trergraig and Llanddewe. Lands to be sold to discharge debtes unto Anthony Gwyne and to Richard Ewstance his servant for moneyes disbursed by them upon two tenem[en]tes now in the occupac[i]on of W[illia]m Parry, and John Phillipp, And my house in Towne in the p[ar]ishe of Saint John the Evangelist … to be redeemed by Covenantes entered into by Anthony Gwyne unto S[i]r Henry Williams from Henry Pratt … lands in the sev[e]rall p[ar]ishes of Llanvillo Llandyvailog Trergraige Llandden and Saint John the Evangelist … Sir Henry Johns of Abermarlais Knight S[i]r Thomas Awbrey of Llantryffyd Knight And Herbert Johnes of Llangatug iuxta … messuage of Tredomen Wife: Dame Elizabeth Awbrey ￡100 to give to my youngest children; sole executrix Eldest son and heir apparent: Edward Awbrey Second son: John Awbrey ￡50 “towardes the setleing of him a prentise by yo[u]r appointment…” Third son: Thomas Awbrey ￡50 in hands of my son-in-law John Bayly of Rythyn and Jane Bailie my Eldest daughter Fourth son: Harry Awbrey ￡40 “to be ymployd to his use by his good Aunt Mrs Rachell Morgan of Machen with whome he hath bin eduecated and brought up from his Childhood” Fifth son: Reignald Awbrey ￡40 “the right heires of my bodie begotten on the bodie of Dame Elizabeth” Daughter: Johan Awbrey Daughter: Elenor ￡100 (unmarried) Daughter: Catherin Awbrey ￡50 (unmarried) Five overseers [Signed] Wm Awbrey Witnesses: Watkin Harbert, Jeuan M[e]rdith …, John Awbrey gent, John ... [Source: Consistory Court of St. David, 1631, 52 [FHL film #104444]]. Memorandum of Edward Awbrey of Tredomen in the County of Brecknock Esquire … “in a very dangerous sicknesse” Nuncupative will December 1650 Will proved 18 May 1652 letters of administration issued to William Herbert Esquire the Cozen German of the sayd deceased Left entire estate to Cozen Colonell William Herbert Witnesses: Elizabeth Lewes and Mary Jones [Source: Prerogative Court of Canterbury 108 Bowyer [ancestry.com]]. In 1624, Sir William was returned to the House of Lords as a Popish recusant: 'House of Lords Journal Volume 3: 20 May 1624', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 3: 1620-1628 (1802), pp. 392-396. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=30423 Date accessed: 22 July 2009.

On 21/05/16 06:34, Steve Riggan via wrote: > Would anyone have access to the Calendar Of Inquisitions Post-Mortem > Vol XXI 6-10 Henry V (1418-1422)? I am looking for a transcript or > extract of the IPM of Thomas de la Pole, Knight, d. 21 Aug 1420. 484 > Writ ‡ 10 Oct. 1420. His wife was Anne Cheyne and his daughter > Katherine de la Pole married Miles Stapleton, son of Brian Stapleton. > Any help on locating and obtaining a transcript of the IPM is > appreciated. That volume is online here: http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/browse/ His IPM is here: http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/21-484/ Richard

Well, first things first. The interesting website Doug pointed out does make "Christina" MacLeod a daughter of the same Donald MacLeod (m. Margaret Cameron), with whom we have been dealing. I take it, then, that Catherine MacLeod (m. William Telford) and Christina/ Christian MacLeod (m. William MacLeod) would have been sisters, and that there was not a single woman married both to Telford and MacLeod, as the Geni account makes us believe. Doug points out that the website to which he linked gives Donald MacLeod different parents. Despite the statement in both the Mackay book and in the article on the MacKay banner that Donald MacLeod was son of Angus and ___ (Mackay) MacLeod, this fact needs to be proven. Perhaps Doug's website is the correct answer. I don't know at this point. Even if the Rev. Hugh or Hew Munro of Durness was not married to Lord Reay's daughter, he himself may have a royal line. The Fasti will allow his agnate line to be taken back to Hector Munro of Milntown. https://books.google.com/books?id=Y51bAAAAMAAJ&q=%22janet+cumming%22+munro&dq=%22janet+cumming%22+munro&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdh5yG1uvMAhXE9R4KHYfbCpgQ6AEIQTAG https://books.google.com/books?id=fAMPAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA119&dq=%22james+cumming%22+altyre&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWsrWn1uvMAhVJqx4KHb1OB9YQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=%22james%20cumming%22%20altyre&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=IKUOAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA14&dq=%22james+cuming%22+altyre&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEyMPb1uvMAhUKmh4KHSDSASgQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=%22james%20cuming%22%20altyre&f=false Hector Munro Rev. Alexander ("Sandy") Munro Rev. Hugh/Hew Munro of Durness Geni, the great source, makes Rev. Alexander Munro's wife a descendant of Hugh Fraser, 5th Lord Lovat, by his wife Elizabeth Stewart. Hugh Fraser, Lord Lovat = Elizabeth Stewart Margaret [? Mary] Fraser = James Cumming Janet Cumming = Rev. Alexander Munro Rev. Hugh Munro = ?? https://www.geni.com/people/Hugh-Fraser-5th-Lord-Lovat/6000000008471238676 https://www.geni.com/people/Margaret-or-Mary-Cumming/6000000002032069730 https://www.geni.com/people/Janet-Munro/6000000024745833054 https://www.geni.com/people/Rev-Hugh-Munro-minister-of-Durness/6000000020842152751 Some of the Geni stuff on this line looks to be wrong, but still the Munro line could be productive, I suppose. It does look as though TAG for 1978 included this statement: "I am unable, however, to confirm from Scottish sources that Janet Cuming, wife of Alexander Munro of Milntown of Katewell, was a daughter of James Cmming of Altyre and the Hon. Margaret Fraser."

> GENERATION XV > William "The Extravagant" Awbrey was bc 1581 Tredomen, Brecknockshire, > Wales. He marr. Elizabeth Johns (b 1595 in Wales), dtr of Sir Thomas Johns. > William's will was proved in 1631 & he died broke. Children of William & > Elizabeth were Edward (bc 1617 Tredomen), Reginald (bc 1619 in Tredomen), > John (bc 1623 in Abercynfrig) & Thomas (bc 1624). > > GENERATION XVI > John Awbrey (b 1623 Abercynfrig, Brecknockshire, Wales, arrived in VA with > his brother Thomas c 1668 & d 9/28/1692 in Westmoreland Co., VA). John marr. > Jane Johnstone c 1677 in Westmoreland Co. She was b there in 1659 & d after > 1699. Their children were Elizabeth (bc 1678), John (bc 1680- d 2/26/1724/5) > & Sarah (b 1681, d 1702), all in Westmoreland Co., VA. I have been reviewing the arguments for and against Virginia brothers Henry Awbrey and John Awbrey being the [gateway] sons of Sir William Awbrey of Tredomen, Breconshire (Will proved 1631). I haven't found any conclusive evidence that his sons emigrated to Virginia. One argument American descendants are using is they can only find one Henry Awbrey in Wales in the early 1600s (named as son Harry in will of Sir William), so it 'must' be the Virginian. I contacted the Aubrey One Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/aubrey/ . Some of the feedback they gave me is (1) very few parish registers survive in Pembrokeshire before 1690, so you can't gauge how many Henry Awbreys there were and (2) a cursory search of the National Library of Wales Catalogue turns up an indenture mentioning Henry Awbrey in 1641 living in either Llanvrenagh or Tredomen, which could be a reference to Sir William's son: • Title: Maybery Collection: Grant to uses specified in an indenture tripartite of even date between Edward Awbrey and Johanna, his wife, of the ..., • Is Part Of: Maybery Collection • Description: 1. Edward Awbrey of Abercunfrig, esq.,. 2. Sir William Herbert of Cardiff, George Herbert of Abergwillie, esq., Thomas Awbrey of Llantrydded, co. Glam., esq., Charles Vaughan of Abergwillie, gent., John Lewes of ffroodgreeche, co. Brecon, gent., and Morgan Awbrey of Ystradgynlais, gent. Grant to uses specified in an indenture tripartite of even date between EdwardAwbrey and Johanna, his wife, of the first part, Sir Thomas Johnes of the second part, and Sir William Herbert, George Herbert, Thomas Awbrey, Charles Vaughan, John Lewes and MorganAwbrey of the third part, of the manor of Battell with messuages and lands in the tenures of David ap Ieuan, William John Jevan, Howell ap Edward, David ap Gwllym, Howell ap Morgan, John ap Ieuan, Jevan Thomas and Thomas ap Richard, messuages and land in the tenures of Watkin David ap Ieuan, Anthony Thomas, and Owen ap Ieuan David, the capital messuage of Abercunfrigge, lands in the tenures of Thomas Johnes, Jevan Thomas gosh, John Richard John, William John, Edmond Rosser, John Rosser, Katherine verch Rees, widow of Richard Jenkin, John Jenkin, Thomas John Myller, Roger ap John, Gruffudd ap Hoell ap Trahern, John Ieuan Rosser, Roger Ieuan Rosser, William Harry, Henry Caldicott, Lewis John Lewes, and Thomas John Baron, the water mill and fulling mill within the parish of Llanvrenagh, the capital messuage within the vill of Breohon, the messuages and lands in the tenures of HENRY AWBREY, Morgan Awbrey, Hugh Powell William, William Bevan, Lewes Morgan, Thomas ap Jevan, Lewis Meredith, Lewes John Geffrey, William Vaughan, esq., and Henry Phelip, the capital messuage of Tredomen, and the lands and tenements belonging thereto In the tenures of John David, William Gunter, Jevan William Prise, John William Powell, Owen Howell, Jevan Thomas, John Howell, William William, Llewelyn William Parry, Richard ap John William, William Phelip, Phillipp ap Ieuan Morgan, Phillipp John Ieuan, William ap Ieuan Jenkin, Phillipp William ap Ieuan cosh, and John Williams. Latin. • Related Titles: Maybery Collection, • Creation Date: 1641, Sept. 27. • Identifier: grant-to-uses-specified-in-indenture-tripartite-of-even-date-between-edward-awbrey-and-johanna-his-wife-of; 6973. Nathan

I think it was something along the lines that a third of the property went to the widow, a third went to the children, and the last third could be bequeathed freely according to the will of the testator. Vance

I think it was something along the lines that a third of the property went to the widow, a third went to the children, and the last third could be bequeathed freely according to the will of the testator. Vance

Dear Colleagues, The extract below is from the Will of Jacob Proctor Merchant Taylor of the city of London dated 1616 (Borderline medieaval!?) 'Then my mynde and will is that Jane my loving wife shall have and enioye one full third parte of all my goods Chattells money and Debts which is of righte due unto her by the laudable custome of the Citie of London' What was the laudable custom of London? Thank you in anticipation. Peter

On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 10:43:36 AM UTC-4, John Watson wrote: > On Saturday, 21 May 2016 14:40:36 UTC+1, joe...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 6:35:45 AM UTC-5, John Watson wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Recently I have been looking at the family of Mering of Meering, Nottinghamshire. There appears to be no satisfactory pedigree of the family in existence and the published information on the family seems to be full of errors. I have constructed a pedigree based on contemporary information which is too large to post here, but I thought that I would share the information that I have found concerning the three wives of Sir William Mering who died on 15 December 1537 [1]. Hopefully someone will find this useful. > > > > > > There were four William Merings in succession during the fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries, which is one of the reasons for the contradictory information concerning them and their wives. They were: > > > > > > 1. Sir William Mering, son and heir of Alexander Mering and his wife Agnes, he married firstly Millicent (d. 1419) daughter of John Beckering, widow of Nicholas Burdon (d.1403) and John Markham (d.1409) and secondly Alice, who survived him. He died shortly after making his will on 24 July 1449 [2] [3]. > > > > > > 2. William Mering, esquire, son and heir of Sir William Mering, and presumably Millicent, was born before 1417 because in February 1438 when he was presumably over 21, he was a surety for Thomas Middleton [4]. He is said to have married Elizabeth, one of the daughters of Thomas Neville of Rolleston, Nottinghamshire [5]. He died before 4 November 1466 when the writ of diem clausit extremum for William Meryng, esquire was issued to the escheator in Nottingham [6]. > > > > > > 3. William Mering, esquire, son and heir of William Mering, esquire. He had a licence to marry Agnes daughter of John Langton of Farnley, esquire on 5 June 1465 [7]. According to an inquisition into concealments held in 1509, he died on 20 October 1478, and was succeeded by Sir William Mering, "his son and heir, then aged 21 years and more" [8]. If Sir William Mering was aged over 21 in 1478, then he was not the son of Agnes Langton, but of an earlier unknown wife. > > > > > > 4. Sir William Mering - the subject of this post. > > > > > > > Thoroton "Antiquities of Nottinghamshire" p 371 gives Margery Mering, wife of Thomas Basset as the daughter of William Mering and Elizabeth Neville. This Thomas Basset son of John Basset and Joan Brailsford. > > Is there any evidence that this is the correct parentage for Margery Mering, other than the very flawed pedigree in Thoroton? > > > > --Joe Cook > > Hi Joe, > > See this post from John Higgins in 2007: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2007-09/1189381787 Thanks. I have seen this post identifying two Margerys who married Tho. Bassets. I'm still not sure if the grandfather of Margery Mering Basset of Brailsford has been identified. Thanks

On Saturday, 21 May 2016 14:40:36 UTC+1, joe...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 6:35:45 AM UTC-5, John Watson wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Recently I have been looking at the family of Mering of Meering, Nottinghamshire. There appears to be no satisfactory pedigree of the family in existence and the published information on the family seems to be full of errors. I have constructed a pedigree based on contemporary information which is too large to post here, but I thought that I would share the information that I have found concerning the three wives of Sir William Mering who died on 15 December 1537 [1]. Hopefully someone will find this useful. > > > > There were four William Merings in succession during the fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries, which is one of the reasons for the contradictory information concerning them and their wives. They were: > > > > 1. Sir William Mering, son and heir of Alexander Mering and his wife Agnes, he married firstly Millicent (d. 1419) daughter of John Beckering, widow of Nicholas Burdon (d.1403) and John Markham (d.1409) and secondly Alice, who survived him. He died shortly after making his will on 24 July 1449 [2] [3]. > > > > 2. William Mering, esquire, son and heir of Sir William Mering, and presumably Millicent, was born before 1417 because in February 1438 when he was presumably over 21, he was a surety for Thomas Middleton [4]. He is said to have married Elizabeth, one of the daughters of Thomas Neville of Rolleston, Nottinghamshire [5]. He died before 4 November 1466 when the writ of diem clausit extremum for William Meryng, esquire was issued to the escheator in Nottingham [6]. > > > > 3. William Mering, esquire, son and heir of William Mering, esquire. He had a licence to marry Agnes daughter of John Langton of Farnley, esquire on 5 June 1465 [7]. According to an inquisition into concealments held in 1509, he died on 20 October 1478, and was succeeded by Sir William Mering, "his son and heir, then aged 21 years and more" [8]. If Sir William Mering was aged over 21 in 1478, then he was not the son of Agnes Langton, but of an earlier unknown wife. > > > > 4. Sir William Mering - the subject of this post. > > > > Thoroton "Antiquities of Nottinghamshire" p 371 gives Margery Mering, wife of Thomas Basset as the daughter of William Mering and Elizabeth Neville. This Thomas Basset son of John Basset and Joan Brailsford. > Is there any evidence that this is the correct parentage for Margery Mering, other than the very flawed pedigree in Thoroton? > > --Joe Cook Hi Joe, See this post from John Higgins in 2007: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2007-09/1189381787 Regards, John

On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 9:40:36 AM UTC-4, joe...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 6:35:45 AM UTC-5, John Watson wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Recently I have been looking at the family of Mering of Meering, Nottinghamshire. There appears to be no satisfactory pedigree of the family in existence and the published information on the family seems to be full of errors. I have constructed a pedigree based on contemporary information which is too large to post here, but I thought that I would share the information that I have found concerning the three wives of Sir William Mering who died on 15 December 1537 [1]. Hopefully someone will find this useful. > > > > There were four William Merings in succession during the fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries, which is one of the reasons for the contradictory information concerning them and their wives. They were: > > > > 1. Sir William Mering, son and heir of Alexander Mering and his wife Agnes, he married firstly Millicent (d. 1419) daughter of John Beckering, widow of Nicholas Burdon (d.1403) and John Markham (d.1409) and secondly Alice, who survived him. He died shortly after making his will on 24 July 1449 [2] [3]. > > > > 2. William Mering, esquire, son and heir of Sir William Mering, and presumably Millicent, was born before 1417 because in February 1438 when he was presumably over 21, he was a surety for Thomas Middleton [4]. He is said to have married Elizabeth, one of the daughters of Thomas Neville of Rolleston, Nottinghamshire [5]. He died before 4 November 1466 when the writ of diem clausit extremum for William Meryng, esquire was issued to the escheator in Nottingham [6]. > > > > 3. William Mering, esquire, son and heir of William Mering, esquire. He had a licence to marry Agnes daughter of John Langton of Farnley, esquire on 5 June 1465 [7]. According to an inquisition into concealments held in 1509, he died on 20 October 1478, and was succeeded by Sir William Mering, "his son and heir, then aged 21 years and more" [8]. If Sir William Mering was aged over 21 in 1478, then he was not the son of Agnes Langton, but of an earlier unknown wife. > > > > 4. Sir William Mering - the subject of this post. > > > > Thoroton "Antiquities of Nottinghamshire" p 371 gives Margery Mering, wife of Thomas Basset as the daughter of William Mering and Elizabeth Neville. This Thomas Basset son of John Basset and Joan Brailsford. > Is there any evidence that this is the correct parentage for Margery Mering, other than the very flawed pedigree in Thoroton? > > --Joe Cook Leo is giving Margery's parents as William Mering and _Maud_ Bekering... --JOe C

On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 6:35:45 AM UTC-5, John Watson wrote: > Dear all, > > Recently I have been looking at the family of Mering of Meering, Nottinghamshire. There appears to be no satisfactory pedigree of the family in existence and the published information on the family seems to be full of errors. I have constructed a pedigree based on contemporary information which is too large to post here, but I thought that I would share the information that I have found concerning the three wives of Sir William Mering who died on 15 December 1537 [1]. Hopefully someone will find this useful. > > There were four William Merings in succession during the fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries, which is one of the reasons for the contradictory information concerning them and their wives. They were: > > 1. Sir William Mering, son and heir of Alexander Mering and his wife Agnes, he married firstly Millicent (d. 1419) daughter of John Beckering, widow of Nicholas Burdon (d.1403) and John Markham (d.1409) and secondly Alice, who survived him. He died shortly after making his will on 24 July 1449 [2] [3]. > > 2. William Mering, esquire, son and heir of Sir William Mering, and presumably Millicent, was born before 1417 because in February 1438 when he was presumably over 21, he was a surety for Thomas Middleton [4]. He is said to have married Elizabeth, one of the daughters of Thomas Neville of Rolleston, Nottinghamshire [5]. He died before 4 November 1466 when the writ of diem clausit extremum for William Meryng, esquire was issued to the escheator in Nottingham [6]. > > 3. William Mering, esquire, son and heir of William Mering, esquire. He had a licence to marry Agnes daughter of John Langton of Farnley, esquire on 5 June 1465 [7]. According to an inquisition into concealments held in 1509, he died on 20 October 1478, and was succeeded by Sir William Mering, "his son and heir, then aged 21 years and more" [8]. If Sir William Mering was aged over 21 in 1478, then he was not the son of Agnes Langton, but of an earlier unknown wife. > > 4. Sir William Mering - the subject of this post. > Thoroton "Antiquities of Nottinghamshire" p 371 gives Margery Mering, wife of Thomas Basset as the daughter of William Mering and Elizabeth Neville. This Thomas Basset son of John Basset and Joan Brailsford. Is there any evidence that this is the correct parentage for Margery Mering, other than the very flawed pedigree in Thoroton? --Joe Cook

On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 7:38:53 AM UTC-5, al...@mindspring.com wrote: > These refs. should help: > > RD 500, p 463. AR 6: 148. B P & B. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent, Oxford, (1960), pps 129-130. DD, pps 332, 559. AR 7: 148A. CP V: 493-494. John P. Ravilious, post to SGM dated 16 Jun 2005, Re: Eleanor de Furnval, wife of Richard de Braose. > > He was son of Robert fitz Richard de Clare and Maud de St Liz. > > Doug Smith Thank you, Doug. I appreciate the help. Kathy

These refs. should help: RD 500, p 463. AR 6: 148. B P & B. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent, Oxford, (1960), pps 129-130. DD, pps 332, 559. AR 7: 148A. CP V: 493-494. John P. Ravilious, post to SGM dated 16 Jun 2005, Re: Eleanor de Furnval, wife of Richard de Braose. He was son of Robert fitz Richard de Clare and Maud de St Liz. Doug Smith

Walter FitzRobert c1124-1198 was the son of (1.) Robert FitzRichard or (2.) Robert, Lord of Dunmow, de Clare. I'm finding conflicting sources and I'm hoping to get this settled once and for all.

There may well be a fabrication at this point in the alleged line. We have this: Donald Mackay, 1st Lord Reay, fiar of Strathnaver "mar. (3) 1631 Elizabeth Thomson (d. c. Jun 1637), dau. of Robert Thomson, of Greenwich, co. Surrey, Keeper of the Queen's Wardrobe only child by third marriage: 3. Hon Ann Mackay, mar. Alexander Macdonald, brother of Sir James Macdonald of Sleat" ...Which would break the alleged line to Mary Anne Macleod. http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/reay1628.htm DSH Manu Forti Fortem Posce Animum Mortis Terrore Carentem Decimus Junius Juvenalis [Juvenal] (ca. 60 A.D. Aquino, Italy - ca. 127 A.D.] Satire X wrote in message news:e5deb815-f4cc-44cd-a195-c9903a691918@googlegroups.com... What is evidence that Rev. Hugh Munro, of Durness, married a daughter of the 1st Lord Reay? She is not mentioned in the relevant Scots Peerage article. Rev. Munro's biography in the Fasti (I do not have the relevant reference to hand, but will post it tomorrow) only says he married and had the daughter listed here. The Book of MacKay, pp. 142-143, at the end of an extensive biography of Lord Reay, does not mention her.

On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 10:02:06 PM UTC-4, Douglas Richardson wrote: > Dear Newsgroup ~ > > Complete Peerage 3 (1913): 553 (sub Cromwell) includes an account of Sir John de Cromwell, Lord Cromwell, who died in 1335. Sir John de Cromwell had a long and distinguished career, he being a long time Constable of the Tower of London, Justice of of the forest South of Trent, Steward of the King’s Household, and Admiral of the Fleet. ' <snip> Douglas, most excellent synthesis of the many sources to discover the answers. Bravo --Joe Cook

Dear all: Would anyone have access to the Calendar Of Inquisitions Post-Mortem Vol XXI 6-10 Henry V (1418-1422)? I am looking for a transcript or extract of the IPM of Thomas de la Pole, Knight, d. 21 Aug 1420. 484 Writ ‡ 10 Oct. 1420. His wife was Anne Cheyne and his daughter Katherine de la Pole married Miles Stapleton, son of Brian Stapleton. Any help on locating and obtaining a transcript of the IPM is appreciated. Best regards, Steve Riggan

What is evidence that Rev. Hugh Munro, of Durness, married a daughter of the 1st Lord Reay? She is not mentioned in the relevant Scots Peerage article. Rev. Munro's biography in the Fasti (I do not have the relevant reference to hand, but will post it tomorrow) only says he married and had the daughter listed here. The Book of MacKay, pp. 142-143, at the end of an extensive biography of Lord Reay, does not mention her.