Don't know - but there is a start on Theresa May's ancestry here: https://blog.findmypast.co.uk/famous-family-trees-theresa-may-1406260824.html

On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 9:07:46 AM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > Em sexta-feira, 1 de abril de 2016 03:46:52 UTC+1, taf escreveu: > > On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 7:43:17 PM UTC-7, sabaris...@gmail.com wrote: > > > All Muhammad's sons died in infancy, so that descent from him can only be > > > through the female line. > > > > Correct, and only through daughter Fatima, wife of Ali. > > There are other daughters according to the sunis but not according to shias. According to the Sunnis, Muhammad had additional daughters. However, there are no viable descents from these daughters (there likely is one avenue for descent, but no records survive that would enable one to be traced). Most accounts follow the Sunni version, giving Muhammad the following children: Al-Qasim, d. aged 2 ca 600 Zaynab, b. cay 600 Ruqayyah, b. say 603 Fatima, b. 604 Umm Kalthum, b. say 607 'Abd Allah, d. inf. in 610s Ibrahim, d. aged 2, 632 Zaynab bint Muhammad, b. say 600, married Abu-''As ibn Rabi, and had two children: 'Ali, d. bef. 632 Umamah, m. 'Ali ibn Abi Talib (widower of her aunt Fatima), then Mughirah ibn Nawfal, having sons Muhammad Hilal ibn 'Ali (lived to adulthood but nothing about his family life is known); Awn ibn Ali (only thing known about him is that he lived in what is now Saudi Arabia, and was brother of Hilal); and Yahya ibn Maghira, (again, nothing known other than his existence). Ruqayya bint Muhammad, b. say 603, m. Utbah ibn Abu Lahab, divorced, then married 'Uthman ibn 'Affan. child: 'Abd Allah, d. inf. 626 Fatima, b. 604, m. 'Ali ibn Abi Talib, several children, extensive descent Umm Kulthum bint Muhammad, b. say 607, m. Utaybah ibn Lahab (brother of Utbah), divorced prior to consummation, then married her sister's widower, 'Uthman ibn 'Affan. no children Shi'a historiography would make the elder three daughters children born to Muhammad's wife Khadijah by one of her prior husbands. I have seen claimed descents from Ruqayya and 'Uthman, but these are very late and have all the hallmarks of dynastic invention. taf

Mark Humphrys of Ireland has a website called http://humphrysfamilytree.com/ where he posts the ancestry of him and his wife. In his ancestry he is descendant of the Cashel Family whose most ancient known ancestor is George Cashel[http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Cashel/george.html] whose parents according to his great-granddaughter were Edward Cashel and Letitia Blennerhassett. The Blennerhasset were an anglo-irish and protestant family with a wonderful pedigree including a royal descent and so Mark wants to know the true connection. He has a huge amount of circumstantial evidence that Letitia Blennerhassett mother of George Cashel is Letitia Blennerhassett of Tarbert[http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Blennerhassett/letitia.html] descendant of Edward III , he even launched a challenge with a 1000 dollars reward to the person who discovers the connection. For the evidence see http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Blennerhassett/evidence.html. If you have any knowledge about these families please tell.

On 8/07/2016 2:47 AM, taf via wrote: > On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 8:31:30 AM UTC-7, Stewart Baldwin via wrote: >> On 7/7/2016 10:12 AM, taf via wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:36:56 AM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: >>> >>>> Well Rollo´s son contemporany Planctus states (without naming her) that >>>> she was a Christian, and that her son William was born overseas. >>> This was said about William's (generic) mother, not about Dudo's Poppa >>> in particular. It is probably a mistake to assume that they refer to >>> the same person. >> For what it is worth, Dudo does state that Poppa was William's mother. >> This is not necessarily inconsistent with the statement of the Planctus, >> but it would also be wrong to say that the Planctus supports Dudo's >> statements about William's mother. > I didn't mean to imply otherwise. We have Dudo saying that William's mother was Poppa, daughter of Berenger, captured during a raid on Bayeux. Separately we have Planctus claiming that William's mother was a Christian born overseas. While there is nothing about these statements that makes them mutually exclusive, given the scant nature of the historical record and Dudo's inaccuracies on other points, it can't be taken for granted that Planctus was referring to the Poppa of Bayeux described by Dudo as being William's mother. > > The unwarranted credit given to Dudo on this has eclipsed an alternative version from the lost annals of Rouen, as redacted ca 1220 at Saint-Wandrille, according to which Popa was a daughter of Wido, count of Senlis, and sister of Bernard whom William called his 'avunculus' in a speech reported by Dudo ("Ibo ad Bernardum Silvanectensem, meum avunculum". However, Dudo later switched in third-person narrative to calling Bernard the uncle of William's son Richard. Whoever was her father, it is scarcely credible that Rollo would have kidnapped Popa on a raid at Bayeux before the Normans settled at Rouen, taken her overseas and then allowed her to baptise their son with a Frankish name and raise the boy as a Christian. But Dudo lacked either the nous or the self-discipline (or both) to confine himself to plausibilities. Peter Stewart

I only find one James IV line at the moment: James IV, King of Scots = Queen Margaret (illegit.) Margaret Stewart = John Gordon, Lord Gordon George Gordon, 4th Earl of Huntley = Elizabeth Keith Elizabeth Gordon = John Stewart, 4th Earl of Atholl Elizabeth Stewart = Hugh Fraser, 5th Lord Lovat Simon Fraser, 6th Lord Lovat = Jean Stewart Margaret Fraser = Sir Robert Arbuthnott Jean Arbuthnott = Sir Alexander Burnett Jean Burnett = John Skene, 15th of Skene of that Ilk Barbara Skene = John Tytler, merchant of Aberdeen Rev. George Tytler of Premnay and Fearn = Janet Robertson James Tytler, who went to Massachusetts

On 8/07/2016 3:06 AM, ravinmaven2001 via wrote: > Lewis C. Loyd, _The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families_, p. 24: "Richard de Camville (d. 1176) gave to the abbey of Jumieges the tithes of his land at Hautot-l'Auvray (the next parish to Canville) in a charter which mentions his two wives Adelicia and Milisent and his brother Roger." > > This was mentioned already - the charter was published a century ago from the original, see https://archive.org/stream/chartesdelabbay00fragoog#page/n8/mode/2up. Peter Stewart

Em sexta-feira, 1 de abril de 2016 03:46:52 UTC+1, taf escreveu: > On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 7:43:17 PM UTC-7, sabaris...@gmail.com wrote: > > All Muhammad's sons died in infancy, so that descent from him can only be > > through the female line. > > Correct, and only through daughter Fatima, wife of Ali. > > taf There are other daughters according to the sunis but not according to shias.

Does in that era at times the Latin word "avunculu" not get misused in the meaning of greatuncle? In the 14th century in the dutchy of Brabant there are several examples known to me. Avunculus in that time and region was also misused for an paternal uncle (patruus). It seems that it kind of depends on the Latin skill of the writers. Can Dudo and Planctus be shown to misuse the Latin in other examples within their narrative? If one does not and the other does it regularly one could conclude which version of "avunculus" was more plausable. Or both autors ment the same but one of them used the wrong wording? Then again is there a Latin definition for a great uncle on the mothers side? Hans Vogels Op vrijdag 8 juli 2016 01:32:21 UTC+2 schreef Peter Stewart via: > On 8/07/2016 2:47 AM, taf via wrote: > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 8:31:30 AM UTC-7, Stewart Baldwin via wrote: > >> On 7/7/2016 10:12 AM, taf via wrote: > >> > >>> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:36:56 AM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > >>> > >>>> Well Rollo´s son contemporany Planctus states (without naming her) that > >>>> she was a Christian, and that her son William was born overseas. > >>> This was said about William's (generic) mother, not about Dudo's Poppa > >>> in particular. It is probably a mistake to assume that they refer to > >>> the same person. > >> For what it is worth, Dudo does state that Poppa was William's mother. > >> This is not necessarily inconsistent with the statement of the Planctus, > >> but it would also be wrong to say that the Planctus supports Dudo's > >> statements about William's mother. > > I didn't mean to imply otherwise. We have Dudo saying that William's mother was Poppa, daughter of Berenger, captured during a raid on Bayeux. Separately we have Planctus claiming that William's mother was a Christian born overseas. While there is nothing about these statements that makes them mutually exclusive, given the scant nature of the historical record and Dudo's inaccuracies on other points, it can't be taken for granted that Planctus was referring to the Poppa of Bayeux described by Dudo as being William's mother. > > > > > > The unwarranted credit given to Dudo on this has eclipsed an alternative > version from the lost annals of Rouen, as redacted ca 1220 at > Saint-Wandrille, according to which Popa was a daughter of Wido, count > of Senlis, and sister of Bernard whom William called his 'avunculus' in > a speech reported by Dudo ("Ibo ad Bernardum Silvanectensem, meum > avunculum". However, Dudo later switched in third-person narrative to > calling Bernard the uncle of William's son Richard. > > Whoever was her father, it is scarcely credible that Rollo would have > kidnapped Popa on a raid at Bayeux before the Normans settled at Rouen, > taken her overseas and then allowed her to baptise their son with a > Frankish name and raise the boy as a Christian. But Dudo lacked either > the nous or the self-discipline (or both) to confine himself to > plausibilities. > > Peter Stewart

Two years ago, I posted the following on James1 Tytler, a Scotsman covered in the ODNB, who died in Salem, Mass., 1805. ------------- Neither the DAB nor the ANB has a biography of James Tytler, the "balloonist" and miscellaneous writer, who fled Scotland and his debts in the 1790s, dying at Salem, Massachusetts, in 1805. Both the DNB and the Oxford DNB, however, cover James Tytler's life. http://books.google.com/books?id=3DTcOkAQiS5NMC&pg=3DPA452&dq=3Djanet+rober= tson+tytler&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ei=3DX5eoU7eiIMTNsQT-yoDADg&ved=3D0CCsQ6AEwAQ#v= =3Donepage&q=3Djanet%20robertson%20tytler&f=3Dfalse The newer Oxford DNB account indicates that his wife was Elizabeth Rattray, not Young, as given immediately above, and that he had at least two mistresses after splitting with Elizabeth, of whom Jean Aitkenhead was the mother of his twin daughters. The Oxford DNB account apparently draws heavily on James Ferguson's 1972 biography, _Balloon Tytler_--Tytler had the distinction of making the first balloon ascent in Great Britain in 1784 in a balloon of his own construction. The DNB account above is correct in giving his parents as Rev. George Tytler of Fearn or Fern in the presbytery of Brechin, Scotland, by his wife Janet Robertson. The "Stirnet" website, in an account of certain Tytlers, shows the line of descent as: James Tytler of Corsindae (b 1646, d 02.04.1736) m. Jean Middleton (b 1646, d 1727) ----John Tytler of Aberdeen (b 1680, d 23.01.1762) m. Barbara Skene (b 04.07.1676, d 22.11.1723, dau of John Skene of Skene of that ilk) ---------George Tytler (b 1706, d 29.07.1785, minister of Premnay then Fearn) m. (22.10.1734) Janet Robertson (d 21.07.1795) --------------James Tytler (b 17.12.1745, d 1805, chemist, balloonist, 2nd son) I believe this pedigree could be substantially correct, and that it is probably based on a chart found in _Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica_ for circa 1917 (5th series, vol. 2?). Doing a Google search for the phrase "Barbara Skene Tytler" shows that "Barbara, 4th and youngest dau. of John Skene of Skene" occurs in this chart in Misc. Gen. et Heraldica, as does a snippet showing "James Tytler, [ ] balloon and [ ] ... eminent chemist [ ] 17 Dec. 1745 [ ] Salem, Mass., [aged] 60." http://books.google.com/books?id=3Dxl1IAAAAYAAJ&q=3D%22james+tytler%22+sken= e&dq=3D%22james+tytler%22+skene&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ei=3D496pU8DTB8GfqAaPjIGoCA&= ved=3D0CD4Q6AEwBTgK http://books.google.com/books?ei=3D496pU8DTB8GfqAaPjIGoCA&id=3Dxl1IAAAAYAAJ= &dq=3D%22james+tytler%22+skene&focus=3Dsearchwithinvolume&q=3Dsalem _Memorials of the Family of Skene of Skene_ lists Barbara Skene, wife of John Tytler, as a daughter of John Skene of Skene by his wife Jean Burnett: http://books.google.com/books?id=3D7qDNAAAAMAAJ&pg=3DPA39&dq=3D%22john+tytl= er%22+skene&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ei=3DiuepU7TtCYyUqAbwo4LABg&ved=3D0CB4Q6AEwAA#v= =3Donepage&q=3D%22john%20tytler%22%20skene&f=3Dfalse _The Family of Burnett of Leys_ lists the parents of Jean Burnett, wife of Skene, as Alexander Burnett (m. to an Arbuthnot), whose mother was Margaret= Douglas, descended from King Robert III [if I'm correct]: http://books.google.com/books?id=3D7L3NAAAAMAAJ&pg=3DPA61&dq=3D%22john+sken= e%22+burnett+leys&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ei=3D7uepU8GgE8qSqAaLiILwCA&ved=3D0CB4Q6AE= wAA#v=3Donepage&q=3D%22john%20skene%22%20burnett%20leys&f=3Dfalse James Tytler and Jean Aitkenhead had American descendants, I believe, one of them being Grace Mann, wife of George Swinnerton Parker, the founder of Parker Brothers games. The diary of William Bentley of Salem, Mass., for 1810 mentions, with other deaths, "William Rhue & wife, d[eath] of their own Child. Jane Tytler, wife of the celebrated James Tytler, d[eath] of her G[rand] Child Rhue." http://books.google.com/books?id=3Du3o_0-lf7R8C&pg=3DPA542&dq=3D%22james+ty= tler%22+salem&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ei=3DAJaoU-ePJMfIsATahIKYCA&ved=3D0CCwQ6AEwAA#= v=3Donepage&q=3D%22james%20tytler%22%20salem&f=3Dfalse See also: http://books.google.com/books?id=3DV4MsAAAAYAAJ&pg=3DPA116&dq=3D%22helen+rh= ue%22&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ei=3DWamoU7GeJcmnsQTBo4G4Dw&ved=3D0CCMQ6AEwAQ#v=3Donep= age&q=3D%22helen%20rhue%22&f=3Dfalse The following line of descent to Mrs. Grace Parker seems implied by the sources below (Cutter's _Genealogical and Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of Boston and Eastern Massachusetts_): James Tytler, d. 1805, [? married] Jean/ Jane Aitkenhead Helen Tytler (twin) = William Rhue/ Rue of Salem Susan F. Rhue = James Buffington Mann James William Mann = Eliza Jane McNeil Grace Eliza Mann = George Swinnerton Parker of Salem, founder of "Parker Brothers" http://books.google.com/books?id=3DqaK9Vz1UdDcC&pg=3DPA1464&dq=3Drhue+tytle= r+salem&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ei=3D4JyoU5vtNKTMsQSOvYD4CQ&ved=3D0CCIQ6AEwAQ#v=3Don= epage&q=3Drhue%20tytler%20salem&f=3Dfalse http://books.google.com/books?id=3DOU0k2d8nl3IC&pg=3DPA1461&dq=3D%22james+w= illiam+mann%22+salem&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ei=3D856oU-LvLuO_sQSu8YH4CA&ved=3D0CDYQ= 6AEwAQ#v=3Donepage&q=3D%22james%20william%20mann%22%20salem&f=3Dfalse ------------- This is still online at http://www.theusenetarchive.com/usenet-message-latin-help-please-26532377.htm ; I can't seem to get the soc.gen.medieval copy to appear. Also, the links in the copy above no longer work. The Tytler family chart in _Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica_, series 5, vol. 2, is now available on Hathi: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101038161426;view=1up;seq=294 The pedigree indeed shows the immigrant's grandmother as "Barbara, 4th and youngest dau. of John Skene of Skene of that Ilk" (who had at least one line from James IV of Scotland). The end of my original posting suggested a descent from Mr. Tytler of Salem to Grace Mann, the wife of George S. Parker, one of the "Parker brothers" of board-game fame. This ancestry seems to be confirmed in the 2003 study of the gaming brothers (Philip E. Orbanes, _The Game Makers: The Story of Parker Brothers, from Tiddledy Winks to Trivial Pursuit_): "Grace Parker had learned to play the role of a Yankee Gentleman's wife. She stood at George's side when her husband needed her assistance, but was required to walk behind him with the children whenever they strolled the sidewalks of downtown Salem. However, she had become a strong, talented woman who, despite her diminutive height, always stood her ground in arguments with him. She pursued her ambitions of tracing her family's roots through England and Scotland. Eventually, she would succeed in following them back to distant knights in the twelfth century. One ancestor, James Tytler, was the first Englishman [sic] to ascend in a hot-air balloon (1784). Tytler was also a founding editor of the _Encyclopaedia Britannica_. ..." https://books.google.com/books?id=A9IxOrv-R4QC&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=%22grace+parker%22+britannica&source=bl&ots=ipJCf_DIlf&sig=IsC10UAuES1ZM96EF2Z2-S3mG04&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiR9ryQhuTNAhVFSCYKHT6xANMQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=%22grace%20parker%22%20britannica&f=false It would be interesting to see her genealogical "studies." It seems distinctly possible that the knights she found were incorrect, while the accurate Tytler line from Scottish royalty went unnoticed.

On Saturday, February 2, 2013 at 7:39:40 PM UTC-5, wjhonson wrote: > Today I started poking at the ancestry of Edith Wharton the author and discovered that it's rather interesting. Has anyone already done her? Has anyone found a cousin Henry who is a few years older than Wharton? Thank you.

> > None of this, of course, helps me find the definite link between > Thomas Durham in Bermuda and Thomas Durham in Virginia. I did find, > however, that Bermuda was actually a part of the Virginia colony and > always had close ties; it was even called "Virgineola" during the > early days of British colonialism. I also learned that it was common > for Bermuda planters to have land in Virginia. That doesn't prove > anything about Thomas Durham, but it raises the level of possibility > that they may have been the same person. Even the Jamestown settlers > appear to have gone to Virginia from Bermuda, according to the (ahem, > Wiki-source) I used. For evidence suggestive of a link between Thomas Durham of Bermuda and Thomas Durham of Richmond County, Virginia, I submit the following: 1. Both the father and the son of Thomas Durham of Bermuda were mariners, leading to the supposition that Thomas was also a mariner. 2. In Bermuda, the settlers (company employees) were forbidden to build ships, to encourage them to grow tobacco. This meant that mariners had to establish relationships with shipwrights and boatwrights elsewhere. 3. Thomas Durham of Richmond County married, for his second wife, Dorothy Gilbert(?), granddaughter of William Smoot, BOATWRIGHT of Charles County, Maryland. The evidence that Dorothy was Thomas's second wife comes from a deed from William Smoot, Jr. and from Thomas Durham's will, both of which identify son Thomas, Jr. as the eldest son of DOROTHY (not of Thomas). I am descended from Thomas's presumed elder son Samuel, who in 1704 witnessed the wills of two first cousins of Dorothy (Gilbert?) Durham. Sources are on Samuel and Thomas Durham's wikitree profiles at http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Durham-206

Dear all, Recently I have been trying to improve my pedigree of the Rochford family of Boston, Lincolnshire. The published sources and pedigrees do not appear to match up with primary documents such as Patent Rolls, Close Rolls, etc. in many cases. The starting point of my researches was to determine, who Saier de Rochford was? was he one man or two, as some sources suggest, who were his children and who were his heirs. I am certain that Saier had two sons named John, one by his first wife Elizabeth and one by his third wife Joan Hillary. The results of my researches are summarized below: Sir Saier de Rochford Saier de Rochford, knight, of Fenn near Boston, Lincolnshire was the son and heir of Sir Ralph de Rochford, knight, by Agnes daughter of Sir Richard de Draycote (d. c. 1268) of Draycote, Staffordshire by his second unknown wife. He was born before 1295 as he was an adult in 1316. He had two brothers, John and Thomas who were alive in 1335. He married firstly, before November 1320, Elizabeth, heiress of the manor of Arley in Warwickshire. He married secondly about December 1336, Isabel, daughter of Sir High de Hastinges of Gressenhall, by his wife Margery Foliot. He married thirdly before May 1348, Joan, daughter of Sir Roger Hillary, knight, Chief Justice of the Common Pleas. By his first wife Elizabeth, he had two sons; John and Ralph, and by his third wife he had another son John and a son Edmund who occurs in 1368. He died at a great age after August 1372. Sir John Rochford, the elder Sir John de Rochford, knight, of Lincolnshire, eldest son of Sir Saier de Rochford, knight, of Fenn near Boston, Lincolnshire by his first wife Elizabeth, was probably born about 1325. He was knighted before 1350. The name of his first wife is unknown. He married secondly after 1366, Beatrice, who was probably Beatrice de Hotham, daughter of Sir John de Hotham of Scorborough (d. c. 1370) and widow of Sir Robert Hansard (d. 1366). He died in 1392 or 1393. He was succeeded by his son Sir Ralph Rochford, knight, who died shortly before 19 May 1440.. Sir John de Rochford and his brother Sir Ralph were both knighted before 1350 when they were members of the guild of Corpus Christi in Boston. John was the eldest son, as he inherited his father’s property in Lincolnshire and his mother’s manor of Arley in Warwickshire. Sir John Rochford, the younger Sir John de Rochford, knight, of Boston, Lincolnshire, younger son of Sir Saier de Rochford, knight, of Fenn (or Rochford Tower in Boston), Lincolnshire by his third wife Joan, daughter of Roger Hillary, knight, Chief Justice of the Common Pleas was probably born about 1352. In 1375 or 1376 he married Alice. He was knighted in October or November 1399. He died on 13 December 1410, leaving three daughters as his co-heirs. Further details and all the references used as sources can be found here: http://johnmwatson.blogspot.com/2016/07/sir-saier-de-rochford-and-his-two-sons.html Regards, John

Do these two women have royal ancestry ?

Further to my original post here on 7 June 2016, I have completed some further research on this family. Accordingly, I post below a slightly more detailed version of the pedigree that I posted earlier. I note that there appear to be several medieval and royal descents available to this family via Rev Dr Lancelot Ridley, DD (Died 1550). Robert O'Connor _________________________________ NIGHTINGALE OF YELLING & CAMBRIDGE REV. LEONARD NIGHTINGALE, M.A., of Yelling, Co. Hunts., Born c. 1545. That the Nightingales of Yelling & Cambridge were related to the Nightingales of Newport is evidenced by Leonard Nightingale (d 1660) of Yelling, due to his having no surviving children, devising in his will all his lands at Yelling, Co. Hunts. & Graveley, Co. Cambs. to Geoffrey Nightingale (d 1681) of Kneesworth, in the Parish of Bassingbourn, Co. Cambs., a scion of the Newport family. Educ. Clare College, Cambridge University. His entry in ‘Alumni Cantabrigienses’, Part 1, Earliest Times to 1751’ reads as follows – “Nightingale, Leonard. Matric[ulated] pens[ioner] from Clare, Easter, 1563. B.A., 1566/7; M.A., 1570. Ord[ained] deacon (Ely) Aug 24, 1566; priest, March 23, 1566/7. V[icar] of Stapleford, Cambs., 1567. R[ector] of Little Barford, Beds., 1571. R[ector] of Yelling, Hunts., 1585-1612”. He was ordained a priest by Richard Cox, Bishop of Ely, 23 March 1566/7. Recorded as “Leonard Nightingale, Stapleford” his name appears in a list of clergy who subscribed to the Liturgy at the visitation of Elsworth, 1571. Appointed Rector of Little Barford, Co. Beds., 20 June 1571. M after 5 June 1570 & before 13 Jan. 1584/5 Mary (Born c. 1555. She was mentioned in her father’s will as “Marye [sic] Ridlie [sic] my daughter”, 5 June 1570. She was mentioned in the will of her maternal uncle Rev. Thomas Parkinson (d 1586) with her mother & siblings as follows – “I give & bequeath to Margaret Slater my natural sister & her children viz Henry Ridley, Mark Ridley, Marye [sic] Nightingale, Susan Cranforth & Elizabeth Cole all such sume [sic] or sumes [sic] of money as Robert Siston of Hemingford do at present instant owe unto me to be distributed unto them at the discretion of George Slater Doctor of Divinity & my cozen [sic] Christopher Parkinson”, which will was witnessed by her husband Leonard Nightingale, 13 Jan. 1584/5. Will dated 5 Oct. 1625 – in which she was described as “Mary Nightingale of Yelling in the Countie [sic] of Huntingdon Widdow [sic]” & mentioned “my daughter Grace”, “my daughter Elizabeth”, “my daughter Susan”, “my daughter Frances”, “my sonnes [sic] Stephen & John & Roger & Thomas & Luke” & “Marke [sic] Nightingale my sonne” whom she appointed her executor. Died 1625. Will Proved at the Archdeaconry Court of Huntingdon, 8 Oct. 1625), d. of Rev. Dr. Lancelot Ridley, D.D., M.A., of Stretham, Co. Cambs. & his wife Margaret Parkinson (See RIDLEY). He was recorded as acting as a witness to the will of his wife’s maternal uncle Rev. Thomas Parkinson (d 1586), of Willingham, Co. Cambs., 13 Jan. 1584/5. Appointed Rector of Yelling, Co. Hunts., 22 Sept. 1585. At the baptism of his son Mark he was recorded in the Yelling baptismal register as “Leonardi [sic] Nightingale”, 20 Feb. 1587/8. At the baptism of his son Roger he was recorded in the Yelling baptismal register as “Leonardi [sic] Nightingale”, 12 Feb. 1589/90. At the baptism of his daughter Katherine he was recorded in the Yelling baptismal register as “Leonardi [sic] Nightingale”, 9 Jan. 1591/2. Recorded as “Mr Leonard Nightingale, Rector of Yelling”, 27 Sept. 1597. At the baptism of his son Luke he was recorded in the Yelling baptismal register as “Leonardi [sic] Nightingale”, 18 Oct. 1597. In an article by Rev. W.M. Noble entitled ‘Incumbents of the County of Huntingdon’ published in Volume III: Part VIII of the ‘Transactions of the Cambridgeshire & Huntingdonshire Archaeological Society’ it was recorded as that “Leonard Nightingale signed the [Bishop’s] Transcripts [of the Yelling Parish Registers] as late as 1612”. Died 1612 (when Edward Heron was appointed to replace him as Rector of Yelling). He had issue: 1.Grace, Born c. 1573. M 23 April 1593 at Yelling, Henry Kyrspe. She was mentioned in her mother’s will as “my daughter Grace”, 5 Oct. 1625. 2.Elizabeth, Born c. 1575. She was mentioned in her mother’s will as “my daughter Elizabeth”, 5 Oct. 1625. 3.Susan, Born c. 1577. M 14 Nov. 1597 at Yelling, Robert Hilliard. She was mentioned in her mother’s will as “my daughter Susan”, 5 Oct. 1625. 4.Frances, Born c. 1579. She was mentioned in her mother’s will as “my daughter Frances”, 5 Oct. 1625. 5.Stephen, Born c. 1581. He was mentioned in his mother’s will with his brothers as “my sonnes [sic] Stephen & John & Roger & Thomas & Luke”, 5 Oct. 1625. 6.John, of Yelling., Born c. 1583. M 14 Dec. 1607 at Horningsea, Co. Cambs., Magdalene Jugge (She was mentioned in her husband’s will as “my lovinge [sic] wife Magdalene”, 19 May 1626). At his marriage he & his wife were recorded in the Horningsea marriage register as “John Nightingale of Yelling, Co. Hunt. & Magdalen [sic] Jugge”. He was mentioned in his mother’s will with his brothers as “my sonnes [sic] Stephen & John & Roger & Thomas & Luke”, 5 Oct. 1625. Will dated 19 May 1626 – in which he was described as “John Nightingale of Yelinge [sic] in the County of Hunts Gent[leman]” & provided “I doe [sic] give & grant unto my said wife duringe [sic] her natural life one annuity or yearlie [sic] rent of tenn [sic] pounds of lawful money of England to be charged out of my farme [sic] in Yellinge [sic] aforesaid which was my fathers towards the bringinge [sic] up of my children William & Magdalene until [sic] they shall attaine [sic] to their several ages of one & twentie [sic] yeares”, & “I give & bequeath unto my sonne [sic] Leonard & his heirs my farme [sic] in Yellinge [sic] which was my fathers with all the lands meadows pastures profitts [sic] commofities & appurtenances whatsoever thereunto belonginge [sic] called by the name of Osburnes, upon condition that my sonne [sic] Leonard pay unto my said wife the said annuity or yearly payment of tenn [sic] pounds as aforesaid…” & “I give & bequeath to my brothers Roger & Luke to either of them tenn [sic] poundes [sic] to be paid within tenn [sic] years next after my decease”. Died 1626. Will Proved at P.C.C., 7 July 1626. He had issue: 1a.Leonard, of Yelling, Co. Hunts & Graveley, Co. Cambs., Bapt. 25 March 1610 at Horningsea. Educ. Magdalene College, Cambridge University. His entry in ‘Alumni Cantabrigienses’, Part 1, Earliest Times to 1751’ reads as follows – “Nightingale, Leonard. Matric[ulated] sizar from Magdalene, Easter 1625”. M Parradine. In ‘The Victoria County History of Cambridgeshire’ article for the Parish of Graveley it was recorded as follows – “In the 16th & early 17th century the Wiseman family held c. 200 acreas, divided & sold c. 1650. Half passed through Robert Pepys (d. 1661), an uncle of the diarist, to the Brookes. Leonard Nightingale of Yelling (Hunts.), who bought the other half in 1650, devised it in 1660 to his kinsman Geoffrey Nightingale of Kneesworth. The estate, 157 acres after 1660, descended in that family until Sir Charles E. Nightingale, Bt., in 1807 sold the 175 acres allotted at inclosure to the Londoner Richard Haighton (d. 1813)…”. Will dated 13 Jan. 1659/60 – in which he was described as “Leonard Nightingale of Yelling in the County of Huntington [sic] Esquire”, mentioned “my daughter Anne” to whom he devised all his lands at Yelling & Graveley, but provided that if she did not survive him & attain the age of 21 years they were to pass to his kinsman “Jefferie [sic] Nightingale of Kneesworth in the County of Cambridge Esquire” provided that “he shall paye [sic] or cause to be paid unto Roger Nightingale the eldest sonne [sic] of Roger Nightingale of Cambridge in the Countie [sic] of Cambridge & servant in King’s College the full summe [sic] of Twentie [sic] pounds of lawfull [sic] money of England when he attaine [sic] to his full age of Thirtie [sic] years”. Died 1660. Will Proved at P.C.C., 27 March 1660. He had issue: 1b.Anne, Bapt. 10 May 1654 at Yelling – recorded in the baptismal register as “Anne daughter of Leonard & Parradine Nightingale”. She was mentioned in her father’s will as “my daughter Anne”, 13 Jan. 1659/60. As her father’s lands at Yelling & Graveley passed to Geoffrey Nightingale (d 1681), of Kneesworth, she must have died young. 2a.William, He & her sister were recorded in their father’s will as “my children William & Magdalene”, 19 May 1626. 4a.Mary, Bapt. 9 Aug. 1612 at Horningsea. 5a.Edward, Bapt. 9 March 1616/7 at Horningsea. 4a.Magdalene, Bapt. 7 April 1622 at Horningsea. She & her brother were recorded in their father’s will as “my children William & Magdalene”, 19 May 1626. 5a.John, 4 Aug. 1624 at Horningsea. 7.MARK, of whom we presently. 8.Roger (Rev.), of the Chapel Royal, St. James’s Palace, London., Bapt. 12 Feb. 1589/90 at Yelling – recorded in the baptismal register as “Rogerus [sic] son of Leonardi [sic] Nightingale”. In Church of England clergy records he was recorded as being ordained as a deacon, 20 Jan. 1616/7, & as a priest, 22 March 1616/7, by John Overall, Bishop of Lichfield & Coventry. He was a Gentleman [priest] of the Chapel Royal, St. James’s Palace, London – initially appointed in extraordinary [on a temporary basis], 29 June 1619, & then in ordinary [on a permanent basis] 20 July 1620. He was mentioned in his mother’s will with his brothers as “my sonnes [sic] Stephen & John & Roger & Thomas & Luke”, 5 Oct. 1625. He was mentioned with his brother Luke in the will of his brother John who provided “I give & bequeath to my brothers Roger & Luke to either of them tenn [sic] poundes [sic] to be paid within tenn [sic] years next after my decease”, 19 May 1626. M 1st 1631 (marriage settlement dated 9 June 1631) Margaret (Born at Glaston), d. of Richard Bedoe, of the Parish of St John, Glaston, Somerset. It was recorded in the ‘Report of the Commissioners for inquiring concerning charities’ made in 1825 concerning the Parish of Glastonbury in Somerset as follows – “It appears also, by an indenture, dated 20th February 1634, an abstract of which is subjoined, that one Roger Nightingale, & his wife, granted an annuity of £6 8s 6d for the benefit of the poor people in the said alms houses. By indenture of this date, made between John Wrinkmore, the elder, of Glaston, in the county of Somerset, yeoman, & Mary, his wife, of the first part; Roger Nightingale, clerk, one of the gentlemen of his Majesty's chapel royal, & Margaret, his wife, born at Glaston aforesaid, daughter of Richard Bedoe, then late of the parish of St. John, there deceased, of the second part; & Edward Dyer, esq. Thomas Brooke, esq. Christopher Preston, gentleman, Christopher Hopkins, mercer, John Gutch, mercer, Nicholas Mapson, clothier, John Wrintmore, the younger, clothier, John Poode, yeoman, Richard Hall, yeoman, Richard Bound, yeoman, Thomas Jenkins, white-baker, & John King, yeoman, of the third part; It is witnessed, that said Wrinkmore & wife, for themselves, & the heirs of the said John, in consideration of £120 paid to the said Wrinkmore by the said Nightingale, at the entreaty of his wife, according to a covenant or agreement contained in certain articles made on the marriage of the said Nightingale & wife, dated 9th June, 6th Charles [1631], did give, grant & confirm unto the said Edward Dyer, &c. one annuity, or yearly rent-charge of 6 l.2s. 6d. issuing & going forth out of all that tenement or inn in Glaston aforesaid, called or known by the name or sign of the Crown, & out of all the lands, tenements, feedings, &c. &c. to the said tenement or inn belonging, or in anywise appertaining; to hold the said annuity or yearly rent-charge unto the said Dyer, &c. their heirs and assigns, for ever; to be paid at or upon the High Cross in Glaston aforesaid, at two of the most usual feasts or terms of the year, viz. at the feasts of the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, & St. Michael the Archangel, by even & equal portions, the first payment to be made and to begin at the feast of St. Michael the Archangel, then next ensuing..”. It was recorded in ‘The History of the English Dramatic Poetry to the time of Shakespeare’ as follows – “By a similar warrant, of the 20th of April 1641, we find that the following was the establishment of the Chapel Royal. Subdean – Stephen Broughton. Chaplains – Anthony Kirby, Richard Cotton, Ezechiel Wade, Edmond Nelham, Roger Nightingale, & John Frost…” In ‘The Musical World’ it was recorded that “During the civil wars & the interregnum which followed, the members of the chapel were dispersed throughout the country, seeking protection from those who were often ill able to afford it to them…” According to Sir John Hawkins in his ‘A General History of the Science & Practice of Music’ – “Roger Nightingale, a clergyman, & one of the chapel at the restoration, was then an old man. He had been of the chapel to Charles I, & even before the commencement of that King’s reign, distinguished as a singer. He dwelt with Williams, Bishop of Lincoln, at Budgen in Huntingdonshire, the episcopal seat: & when that prelate was translated to York, he took Nightingale with his to Cawood Castle, & as a mark of his favour, gave him a lease worth £500 to be sold”. It was recorded in the ‘The Marriage, Baptismal & Burial Registers of the Collegiate Church or Abbey of St Peter, Westminster’ as follows – “He was sworn as a Gentleman of the Chapel Royal in ordinary 29 June 1619, & succeeded to the next vacancy 20 July 1620. In the Cheque Book he is described as “a Base from St. Paul’s”, & as in holy orders. He was sworn Confessor to His Majesty’s Household in June 1660, & died 25 Nov. 1661, being succeeded in that office by Rev Philip Tynchare, the preserve of the old Abbey Register”. It was recorded in Rembault’s ‘The Old Cheque Book, or Book of Remembrance, of the Chapel Royal. From 1561-1744’ as follows – “1661. Roger Nightingale, one of the Gentlemen of His Majesties Chappell [sic] & Confessor to his Majesties Household, died November 25, 1661, into whose place as gentleman was admitted Roger Hill, as Confessor Philip Tucker, one of the Gentlemen of His Majesties Chappell [sic]”. Died 25 Nov. 1661. Bur. 28 Nov. 1661 in the East Cloister, Westminster Abbey, London – recorded in the burial register as “Mr Roger Nightingale, one of the Gentlemen of His Majesty’s Chapel Royal, & Confessor of His Majesty’s Household”. 9.Katherine, Bapt. 9 Jan. 1591/2 at Yelling – recorded in the baptismal register as “Katherina [sic] daughter of Leonardi [sic] Nightingale”. 10.Thomas, In the ‘Merchant Taylors School Register, 1562-1874’ he was recorded as “Thomas Nightingale son of Leonard Nightingale of Yelling, Co. Hunts. gent” when he was apprenticed to a merchant taylor, 24 May 1624. He was mentioned in his mother’s will with his brother’s as “my sonnes [sic] Stephen & John & Roger & Thomas & Luke”, 5 Oct. 1625. 11.Luke, of the Muscovy Company., Bapt. 18 Oct. 1597 at Yelling – recorded in the baptismal register as “Lucas [sic] son of Leonardi [sic] Nightingale”. He was mentioned in his mother’s will with his brothers as “my sonnes [sic] Stephen & John & Roger & Thomas & Luke”, 5 Oct. 1625. He was mentioned with his brother Roger in the will of his brother John who provided “I give & bequeath to my brothers Roger & Luke to either of them tenn [sic] poundes [sic] to be paid within tenn [sic] years next after my decease”, 19 May 1626. He was a member of the Muscovy Company (also called the Russian Company or the Muscovy Trading Company), which was an English trading company chartered in 1555. It was the first major chartered joint stock company & had a monopoly on trade between England & Muscovy until 1698. Like his maternal uncle, Dr. Mark Ridley, he spent considerable time in Russia. In the ‘Slavonic & East European Review’ it was recorded as follows - “In his letter of 7 December 1646, [King] Charles [I] asked Aleksei [Tsar Alexis I] to allow Luke Nightingale, who had been active in the Muscovy Company’s trade since the 1620s, to purchase 300,000 quarters of grain, which would be exchanged for English cloth; the grain was needed because the late disturbances in Ireland had so interrupted the ‘tillage & husbandry’ there…”. Kotilaine, in his ‘Russia’s Foreign Trade & Economic Expansion in the Seventheenth Century’ recorded as follows – “Anglo-Russian trade, & the status of the [Muscovy] Company, were considerably complicated by the on-going civil war in England. Not lacking political acumen, Russian merchants responsible for penning an anti-foreigner petition in 1646 pointed out that the Company’s original rights had been issued in response to a request by the King of England. Now, however, ’all the English traders, are not loyal to him, but have been at war with him four years’. A particularly striking example of the confusion caused by the troubles in Britain was the so-called Nightingale Affair. Luke Nightingale, a member of the Company, arrived in Russia in June 1648 as an envoy of Charles I who requested permission for grain purchases of 300,000 chetverti in response to shortages at home. Nightingale further claimed to be on a secret mission to convince the tsar [Tsar Alexis I] of the disloyalty of the Muscovy Company & to suggest that ‘the Russia trade be thrown open to all English merchants on equal terms’. As agreeable as Nightingale’s agenda may have in some ways appeared to the tsar, there were serious questions as to the envoy’s authenticity & credibility. Matters were further complicated by the arrival of Thomas Bond, an English physician seeking employment in the court. He brought a letter, allegedly from Charles, but almost certainly from the Parliament, which expressed ‘wonderment & grief’ at the imposition of customs on the Muscovy Company, & at its harsh treatment by officials at Archangel. The Russians apparently distrusted Bond, whereas Nightingale initially made a very good impression & gained the tsar’s trust. Nightingale returned to Russia in Sept. 1648, apparently for the main purpose of trying to buy the 270,000 chetverti grain outstanding from his previous request. A month into his stay, he was denounced as an imposter by one of his servants. A subsequent investigation ruined Nightingale’s credibility but, in a bid to regain his stature, the disgraced envoy launched a renewed attack on the Company. He alleged that a group of Russian merchants were preparing a military raid on Arkhangel’sk in revenge for the loss of old privileges. The Russians, in response, set Nightingale free”. MARK NIGHTINGALE, of Cambridge, Co. Cambs., Bapt. 20 Feb. 1587/8 at Yelling – recorded in the baptismal register as “Marcus [sic] son of Leonardi [sic] Nightingale”. M 1st c. 1615 Elizabeth (Bur. 11 May 1639 at St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge – recorded in the burial register as “Elizabeth uxor [wife of] Marke [sic] Nightingale, Gent”). At the baptism of his son Roger he was recorded in the Holy Trinity Church, Cambridge baptismal register as “Marke [sic] Nightingale”, 21 Oct. 1621. He was mentioned in his mother’s will as “Marke [sic] Nightingale my sonne [sic]” under which he was appointed her sole executor, 5 Oct. 1625. At the baptism of his son Thomas he was recorded in the St. Andrew the Great Church, Cambridge baptismal register as “Mark Nitingale [sic]”, 30 Nov. 1625. At the burial of his 1st wife Elizabeth he was recorded in the St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge burial register as “Marke [sic] Nightingale, Gent”, 11 May 1639. M 2nd 1640 at Barton, Co. Cambs., Ann Aspland (Died 9 Nov. 1645 – as recorded in the burial register. Bur. 10 Nov. 1645 at St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge – recorded in the burial register as “Ann the wife of Mark Nightingale, gent, died 9 Nov.”). In the ‘Cambridgeshire Lay Subsidy Rolls’ he was recorded as “Marke [sic] Nightingale”, as being resident in “Highe [sic] Ward, Cambridge” & as being assessed for tax of £2 on his goods, 8 May 1641. At the baptism of his son Benjamin he was recorded in the St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge baptismal register as “Marke [sic] Nightingale”, 18 May 1641. At the burial of his son Luke he was recorded in the St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge burial register as “Marke [sic] Nightingale”, 2 June 1643. At the burial of his 2nd wife Ann he was recorded in the St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge burial register as “Mark Nightingale, Gent”, 10 Nov. 1645. Bur. 26 Nov. 1649 at St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge – recorded in the burial register as “Marke [sic] Nightingale”. Admon Granted at P.C.C., 1649. He had issue by his 1st wife: 1.Luke, M.A., Born c. 1618. Educ. Trinity College, Cambridge University. His entry in ‘Alumni Cantabrigienses’, Part 1, Earliest Times to 1751’ reads as follows – “Nightingale, Luke. Adm[itted] pens[ioner] at Trinity, July 9, 1635. Matric[ulated], 1635. B.A., 1639/40. M.A., 1643. Fellow, 1640”. Bur. 2 June 1643 at St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge – recorded in the burial register as “Luke, son of Marke [sic] Nightingale, M.A. buried in church”. 2.ROGER, of whom we presently. 3.Thomas, Bapt. 30 Nov. 1625 at St. Andrew the Great Church, Cambridge – recorded in the baptismal register as “Thomas, son of Mark Nitingale [sic]”. Mark Nightingale (1588-1649) had further issue by his 2nd wife: 3.Benjamin, Bapt. 18 May 1641 at St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge – recorded in the baptismal register as “Benjamin, son of Marke [sic] Nightingale”. Bur. 5 July 1655 at Cambridge. ROGER NIGHTINGALE, of King’s College, Cambridge, Co. Cambs., Bapt. 21 Oct. 1621 at Holy Trinity Church, Cambridge – recorded in the baptismal register as “Roger, son of Marke [sic] Nightingale”. M Mary (At the burial of her son Roger she & her husband were recorded in the St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge burial register as “Roger & Mary Nightingale”, 6 June 1649). He was granted administration of the estate of his father Mark Nightingale, 1649. At the burial of his son Roger he & his wife were recorded in the St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge burial register as “Roger & Mary Nightingale”, 6 June 1649. At the baptism of his daughter Mary he was recorded in the St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge baptismal register as “Roger Nightingale”, 28 May 1650. At the baptism of his son Roger he was recorded in the St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge baptismal register as “Roger Nightingale”, 28 April 1652. He & his son Roger were mentioned in the will of his 1st cousin Leonard Nightingale (d 1660), of Yelling, Co. Hunts., who devised all his lands at Yelling & Graveley to his daughter Anne, but provided that if Anne did not survive him & attain the age of 21 years that those lands were to pass to his kinsman “Jefferie [sic] Nightingale of Kneesworth in the County of Cambridge Esquire” subject to Geoffrey Nightingale (d 1681) being required to “…paye [sic] or cause to be paid unto Roger Nightingale the eldest sonne [sic] of Roger Nightingale of Cambridge in the Countie [sic] of Cambridge & servant in King’s College the full summe [sic] of Twentie pounds of lawfull [sic] money of England when he attaine [sic] to his full age of Thirtie [sic] years”, 13 Jan. 1659/60. He was sued in the Court of Chancery by his kinsman Geoffrey Nightingale (d 1681), of Kneesworth, in the Parish of Bassingbourn, Co. Cambs. in respect of the property in Yelling & Hemingford, Co. Hunts. previously owned by his 1st cousin Leonard Nightingale (d 1660), 20 Oct. 1660. In his ‘Answer’ to the complaint of Geoffrey Nightingale (d 1681) he alleged that Leonard Nightingale’s will, which gifted those lands to Geoffrey Nightingale (d 1681), was false & that those lands should pass to him as “being cousin & next heir of ye whole blood unto ye said Ann Nightingale as to the said Leonard Nightingale”. His ‘Answer’ to the complaint of Geoffrey Nightingale in that proceeding was as follows: “The Answer of Roger Nightingale gent defendant to the Bill of Complaint of Jeffery [sic] Nightingale Esquire Complainant. All advantages of [?] to the several unintended uncertainties & other insufficiencies to the matters set forth in the said Bill of Complaint being now & at all times hereafter saved to this defendant for a full answer to so much of the said Bill as materially concerns this defendant to make answer to, he this defendant answereth & saith, he beleeveth that Leonard Nightingale now deceased in ye bill named was in his lifetime & at ye time of his death seised in his demesne as of fee of simple in divers messuages lands tenements & hereditaments in Yellinge & Hemingford Gray in ye County of Huntingdon & in Graveley in ye County of Cambridge in ye said bill named with the appurtenances & that part of ye premises were & are freehold, & other part thereof copyhold, And that the minde & intention of the said Leonard Nightingale was that his copyhold lands & premises should be enjoyed with his said freehold lands but by noe other person than by his next heire at law, And this defendant further saith that he knoweth not that the said Leornard Nightingale did duly or otherwise surrender all or any part of his said copyhold lands & premises to [?] which he should declare in his last will & testament, or if he did make any surrender or surrenders thereof, yet this defendant denies that the said Leonard Nightingale did on ye thirteenth day of January in ye year of our Lord one thousand six hundred fifty & nine being ye time mentioned in ye said Bill or at any other time when he was of a sound perfect or disposing mind or memory make or declare his last will & testament in writing or otherwise or thereby did dispose of his said lands & premises to any sure uses intents or purposes as in ye said bill & set forth or to any other uses whatsoever, But this defendant saith sincerely believeth & covete fully to prove that on the thirteenth day of January in the said yeare of our Lord one thousand six hundred fifty & nine, & that in the after noone in the same day & not many hours before ye date of [?] ye said Leonard Nightingale some person or persons without ye knowledge {?] or consent of ye said Leonard Nightingale (for ought that this defendant knoweth) did drawe a writing pretending ye same to be ye last will & testament of ye said Leonard Nightingale, And for that the said Leonard Nightingale then to witt on ye said thirteenth day of January & from the time of his becoming sick of ye sickness whereof he died & not a sound or disposing mind or memory as this defendant [?] also to prove therefore & for no other reason as this defendant believes that said person or persons by whom the said writing was drawn did cause ye said writing to bear that day thirteenth day of January in the said year of our Lord one thousand six hundred fifty & nine, within which writing being drawn in ye form of ye last will & testament of ye said Leonard Nightingale it is amongst other things contains & supposed that the said Leonard Nightingale did give & bequeath unto Paradine his wife mentioned in the said bill as much of his lands in Yelling during her natural life as might be let for £40 by ye year with the house wherein she then dwelt with the orchards & gardens thereunto belonging, or £40 by ye year to be raised out of ye said lands, which of these his wife Paradine should make choice of, [?] his daughter Ann Nightingale should attain to ye age of one & twenty years before ye death of his said wife then it is supposed in ye said writing, that his will was that the cause garden & orchard aforesaid should be & returned to ye immediate possession of ye said Ann Nightingale which said then now at any time before as this defendant believeth was vested in the possession thereof, And further it is mentioned & contained in ye said writing that he the said Leonard Nightingale did give & bequeath all ye rest of his lands, meadow, & pasture ground houses & buildings of what kind soever in Yelling aforesaid, And meadow grounds in ye meadow of Hemingford Gray with all his houses & buildings of what kind soever in Graveley in the said County of Cambridge with all ye pasture grounds, groves & woods, arable lands & leys, sword ground & [?] with all the appurtenances whatsoever unto his said daughter Ann Nightingale, provided always that if it should please God that his said daughter should depart this life before she should attain the age of one & twenty years without issue of her body lawfully begotten, then all his houses & other buildings of what kind soever with all his arable lands leys and sword grounds, meadow ground, pasture grounds, woods & fitts, domons [?], domon [?] feedings to them or any of them belonging or appertaining lying & being in ye parish & bounds of Yelling, Hemingford Gray or Graveley aforesaid should be & remain to the only use & benefit & advantage of ye complainant his heirs & assigns forever, upon the condition notwithstanding that ye said complainant & his heirs should pay or cause to be paid unto Roger Nightingale the eldest sonn of this defendant the ful & instant sum of £20 of lawful money of England upon he should attain the full age of Thirty years, And further it is set forth in the said writing, that ye said Leonard Nightingale of his supposed will did make & nominate ye said Paradine his wife his executrix as in & by the said writing or supposed will if this defendant ye same to produce (& to which nevertheless this defendant for more certainty in ye premises doth refer himself) it doth & may more at large [?], And this defendant further saith he knoweth not that there is any such towne, village or place as Mingeford Gray in ye said writing named or that if ye said Leonard Nightingale had any lands or tenements in any such towne or village, but this defendant believeth that the said writing being drawn with such [?] & [?] as aforesaid & [?] as aforesaid in ye same writing which ye complainant in his bill doth suppose & pretend to be ye last will & testament of ye said Leonard Nightingale the said writing was never read in ye presence of ye said Leonard Nightingale as this defendant [?] to prove or ever affirmed or declared by the said Leonard Nightingale to be his last will & testament, And this defendant further saith he believeth ye secondly after ye making of ye said writing the said Leonard died & that all ye time of his sickness until his death, the disease whereof he died did so violently possess his head that he had not any perfect memory or ye right use of his wisdom, And likewise this defendant saith he believeth that the said Ann Nightingale before she attained ye age of one & twenty years died without issue of her body lawfully begotten on or about the thirtieth day of January in the year of our Lord one thousand six hundred fifty & nine, & not on the tenth day of March in ye same year as suggested in ye said bill, And that the said Ann Nightingale and divers other persons as well inhabiting in ye house of the said Leonard as in ye said town of Yelling within a short time after ye death of ye said Leornard died of ye same disease which put an end to his life & that during all ye time of their sickness they remained without ye use of their right wisdom also, And this defendant saith that after ye decease of ye said Ann Nightingale all & every of the said messuages land tenements & premises as well freehold as copyhold as this defendant is advised should come descended & come unto this defendant as being cousin & next heir of ye whole blood unto ye said Ann Nightingale as to the said Leonard Nightingale & should not remain or come unto the complainant or be held or enjoyed by him, for that ye said supposed will or writing under which ye complainant claimeth the said lands & premises as this defendant covet to prove was feined & suppostitious & cannot properly & truly be called reputed or taken to be the last will or testament of ye said Leornard Nightingale, for ye the said Leonard Nightingale during ye time of his sickness wherein ye said [?] will is supposed to be made, And especially on ye said thirteenth & fifteenth day of January in the said year of our Lord one thousand six hundred fifty & nine was not as this defendant believeth & covet to prove of a sound & disposing mind or memory, but by ye violence & severeness of his sickness was deprived of his understanding & deprived of his right use of his reason & manifested a week & [?] mind by many baine idle & inadvertent words & {?] & actions done by him in ye time of his said sickness & while the said supposed will was in writing whom before his said sickness was known to be a very rational & understanding person. And therefore this defendant contends that he doth & covet that he may lawfully go about to avoid the said pretended will & writing & to render the same of no force or validity, And likewise confess that he [?] ye exhibiting of ye said Bill, & not before made entry upon ye said lands & premises of the complainant contained material in the law for this defendant to make answer unto & not given before confessed & avoided deemed ot Traverssed is true to the knowledge of this defendant, And with matters & things the defendant is ready to [?] & [?] as this honourable Court shall award & humbly requests to be dismissed [?] with his reasonable costs & charges on this behalf wrongfully sustained”. He appears not to have won the Court of Chancery case as the property in Yelling & Hemingford, Co. Hunts. previously owned by his 1st cousin Leonard Nightingale (d 1660) remained in the possession of Geoffrey Nightingale (d 1681). He was recorded as being assessed for Hearth Tax at Cambridge as having 4 hearths, 1664. When his son Roger was apprenticed to Robert Thodey, Vintner [Wine Merchant], of London his son was recorded as “Roger Nightingale, son of Roger Nightingale, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, Gentleman, deceased”, 3 Sept. 1667. Died before 3 Sept. 1667. He had issue: 1.Roger, Bur. 6 June 1649 at St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge – recorded in the burial register as “Roger, son of Roger & Mary Nightingale”. 2.MARY, of whom we presently. 3.Roger, of London., Bapt. 28 April 1652 at St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge – recorded in the baptismal register as “Roger, son of Roger Nightingale”. He & his father were mentioned in the will of his 1st cousin once removed Leonard Nightingale (d 1660), of Yelling, Co. Hunts., who devised all his lands at Yelling & Graveley to his daughter Anne, but provided that if Anne did not survive him & attain the age of 21 years that those lands were to pass to Leonard’s kinsman “Jefferie [sic] Nightingale of Kneesworth in the County of Cambridge Esquire” subject to Geoffrey Nightingale being required to “…paye [sic] or cause to be paid unto Roger Nightingale the eldest sonne [sic] of Roger Nightingale of Cambridge in the Countie [sic] of Cambridge & servant in King’s College the full summe [sic] of Twentie pounds of lawfull [sic] money of England when he attaine [sic] to his full age of Thirtie [sic] years”, 13 Jan. 1659/60. In the ‘London Apprenticeship Abstracts, 1442-1850’ it was recorded as follows – “Name – Roger Nightingale, Livery Company – Vintners’ Company, Details – Roger Nightingale, son of Roger Nightingale, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, Gentleman, deceased, apprenticed to Robert Thodey, Vintners’ Company, London”, 3 Sept. 1667. Bur. 29 May 1687 at Layston, Co. Herts. – recorded in the burial register as “Roger Nightingale, Citizen of London”. MARY NIGHTINGALE, Bapt. 28 May 1650 at St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge – recorded in the baptismal register as “Mary, daughter of Roger Nightingale”. That Mary, the wife of John Redshaw (d 1721), of Layston, was the daughter of Roger Nightingale, of Cambridge, is evidenced by (1) Mary naming her eldest son “Roger” & her second son “Nightingale”; (2) Roger Nightingale (d 1687) being buried in 1687 at Layston - where Mary then lived with her husband & children; (3) Roger Nightingale (d 1687) being described in the Layston burial register as “Roger Nightingale, Citizen of London” – which indicates that he had been granted the Freedom of the City of London & was a member of one of the London livery companies, membership of which was usually obtained by serving as a apprentice to a company member; (4) Roger Nightingale (d 1687) being described in 1667 at the time that he was apprenticed to Robert Thodey, of the Vintners’ Company, London, as “Roger Nightingale, son of Roger Nightingale, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, Gentleman, deceased”; & (5) baptisms being recorded at St. Benedict’s Church, Cambridge in 1650 & 1652 for Mary & her brother Roger respectively, & they being therein recorded as children of Roger Nightingale. M c. 1669 JOHN REDSHAW, of Layston (near Buntingford), Co. Herts. (Born c. 1645. Bur. 3 Sept. 1721 at Layston, Co. Herts. – recorded in the burial register as “John Redsher [sic], Wooll-comber [sic]”). At the baptism of her son Roger she & her husband were recorded in the Layston baptismal register as “John Redsher [sic] husbandman & Mary his wife”, 19 Feb. 1669/70. At the baptism of her son Nightingale she & her husband were recorded in the Layston baptismal register as “John Redshower [sic] & Mary his wife”, 13 Feb. 1673/4. At the baptism of her son John she & her husband were recorded in the Layston baptismal register as “John Redshaw & Mary his wife”, 3 July 1677. At the baptism of her daughter Mary she & her husband were recorded in the Layston baptismal register as “John Reedshaw [sic] & Mary his wife”, 2 Nov. 1679. At the baptism of her son Nightingale she & her husband were recorded in the Layston baptismal register as “John Radshaw [sic] & Mary his wife”, 8 June 1682. At the baptism of her son Joseph she & her husband were recorded in the Layston baptismal register as “John Redshear [sic] & Mary his wife”, 7 Nov. 1686. Bur. 20 June 1718 at Layston – recorded in the burial register as “Mary the wife of John Redshere [sic]”. She had issue: (See REDSHAW)

It would appear that the Garlands were a Sussex family. The Timothy and John Garland who were involved in Robert Stanley's probate were likely to be Ruth's brothers, after whom she named two of her sons. A Timothy Garland died in 1608 and was buried in Heathfield, Sussex. After a few minutes of putzing around, I couldn't find any trace of Robert in Sussex. It would be interesting to see if one could trace the Richard Stanley, joiner and see if more could be found in Kent. Kay Allen On Thursday, July 7, 2016 12:25 AM, "lmahler@att.net via" <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com> wrote: On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 10:01:05 AM UTC-7, Patrick Nielsen Hayden wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:34:45 -0700 (PDT), >  Paulo Canedo <pauloricardocanedo2@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Em terça-feira, 5 de julho de 2016 18:13:53 UTC+1, Kay Allen via  escreveu: > > >> John, Timothy, and Thomas were the sons of a Robert Stanley of Tenterden, > >> Kent and his wife Ruth.I see no evidence presented that she was a > >> Garland.  This is from the cited article from Leslie Mahler FASG. > > >> Kay Allen, descended from John > > > > Thanks, is the ancestry of Robert known. > > Not according to the cited article, the title of which is "Re-Examining the > English Origin of the Stanley Brothers of Hartford, Connecticut: A Case of > Invented Records." > > Of Robert Stanley, Mahler says "Robert Stan(d)ley was probably born about > 1570.  Neither his baptism nor his marriage is found in the surviving parish > registers of the Weald of Kent.  He was buried at Tenterden on 1 June 1605." > > Patrick Nielsen Hayden > pnh@panix.com   The 2009 edition of Ancestors of American Presidents   by Gary Roberts, has the couple Robert Stanley & Ruth   Garland as being ancestral to the Stanleys of Hartford, Ct.   based on the following information: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stanfam/tenterden.htm     Leslie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 1:31:30 AM UTC+10, Stewart Baldwin via wrote: > On 7/7/2016 10:12 AM, taf via wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:36:56 AM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > > > >> Well Rollo´s son contemporany Planctus states (without naming her) that > >> she was a Christian, and that her son William was born overseas. > > This was said about William's (generic) mother, not about Dudo's > > Poppa in particular. It is probably a mistake to assume that they refer > > to the same person. > > For what it is worth, Dudo does state that Poppa was William's mother. > This is not necessarily inconsistent with the statement of the Planctus, > but it would also be wrong to say that the Planctus supports Dudo's > statements about William's mother. Dudo and the Planctus are flatly at odds over where and when William was born - according to Dudo this was at Rouen ("Willelmus ... Rotomagensi urbe exstitit oriundus") after Rollo had settled there and converted to Christianity, whereas according to the Planctus it was overseas while Rollo was still a pagan ("Hic [Willelmus], in orbe transmarino natus patre | in errore paganorum permanente"). Peter Stewart

On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:03:02 -0700 (PDT), nathanwmurphy@gmail.com wrote: >> >So I've heard four specific problems now: (1) missing individuals, (2) technical difficulties, (3) missing source titles, and (4) missing link to FamilySearch Wiki. > >I found the person to report these problems, as well as the fifth problem of the missing pedigrees. It's probably going to take FamilySearch engineers to fix this. I'll keep you posted as soon as I hear anything. I let them know there is a group of people on GenMedieval anxious to have this resolved. > >Nathan Thank you, Nathan. Cheers, Henry Soszynski

On 7/7/2016 10:12 AM, taf via wrote: > On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:36:56 AM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote: > >> Well Rollo´s son contemporany Planctus states (without naming her) that >> she was a Christian, and that her son William was born overseas. > This was said about William's (generic) mother, not about Dudo's Poppa in particular. It is probably a mistake to assume that they refer to the same person. For what it is worth, Dudo does state that Poppa was William's mother. This is not necessarily inconsistent with the statement of the Planctus, but it would also be wrong to say that the Planctus supports Dudo's statements about William's mother. Stewart Baldwin

Lewis C. Loyd, _The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families_, p. 24: "Richard de Camville (d. 1176) gave to the abbey of Jumieges the tithes of his land at Hautot-l'Auvray (the next parish to Canville) in a charter which mentions his two wives Adelicia and Milisent and his brother Roger."

On 7/3/2016 9:37 PM, nathanwmurphy via wrote: > So I've heard four specific problems now: (1) missing individuals, (2) > technical difficulties, (3) missing source titles, and (4) missing > link to FamilySearch Wiki. > Has anyone experienced any additional problems? While we are on the topic of Family Search, there is one question I have about a "feature" which I have found very annoying. For example, if I do a search of all marriages involving a specific surname at a specific location during a specific time range, the "hits" usually appear in what seems to be no logical order. Why is this, and is there any way to have the hits delivered in a chosen order (e.g., chronological or alphabetical)? Stewart Baldwin