On 14/07/16 17:57, Don Stone via wrote: > Here's the latest information from Rootsweb: > > "The Roots Web site is currently undergoing maintenance. As a result > some areas of the site and its data are not accessible. This includes > access to the archived Mailing List data. When the maintenance is > complete these issues should be resolved. We expect the work to be > completed soon, but we do not have a time frame as to when this will > occur." In the meantime you can use the archive on Google Groups. -- Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng at austonley org uk

Thanks, Ian. Information on using the Google Groups archive can be found at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~medieval/arch.htm. -- Don On 7/14/2016 11:08 AM, Ian Goddard via wrote: > On 14/07/16 17:57, Don Stone via wrote: >> Here's the latest information from Rootsweb: >> >> "The Roots Web site is currently undergoing maintenance. As a result >> some areas of the site and its data are not accessible. This includes >> access to the archived Mailing List data. When the maintenance is >> complete these issues should be resolved. We expect the work to be >> completed soon, but we do not have a time frame as to when this will >> occur." > In the meantime you can use the archive on Google Groups. >

On Tuesday, July 24, 2001 at 12:52:14 PM UTC-4, PDel...@aol.com wrote: > John , > most ineterested by your answer. : > My no. 236 John Cunningham, a Writer to the Signet, died 10/9/1768- this will > you state might well be his elder brother's, William! He was also laird of > Balbogie - where Bandalloch is i do not know, but I would surmise that this > land might be near North Leith! > > I can now be more precise regarding these CUNNINGHAMS/ > CUNINGHAMS/CUNNINGHAMES (as the name is spelt differently in each successive > generation). The first one who is definitely of the family is a > 1 William Cunningham, Laird of DRUMBEG and Bandalloch in Stirlingshire > his son > 2. John CUNNINGHAM, of BALLINDALOCH (also spelt Bandalloch!) > + 24/2/1716 x 10/10/1678 Jean WEIR, fa William WEIR of BLACKWOOD. > FROM WHOM 2 SONS > a) William CUNNINCHAM, of Ballindalloch, heir special in Ballindalloch, > Kilfassit, Bent, Cornoquhill and Keirhill ; Stirlingshire 26/4/1716 +1/1763 > b) John Cunningham, of Bandalloch and Balbogie *10/5/1687 +10/9/1768 (my > ancestor, no. 236) > > What I found intriguing was that Alexander CUNNINGHAM, Earl of Glencairn, was > heir of William in 40 mrks of Land in Ballindalloch, including the lands of > Little Ballindaloch, Keirhill, Polgair, Ubert Bent and Mullannacleirich on > 8/2/1666. > > Some of these lands are identical to those held by William, above, -this is > where I think there may be a more than remote connection to the Glencairn > Stem. > > Might your archives mention these other lands amongst yur Cunninghams? or > amongst Glencairn Cadets? > > Meanwhile I shall try to find this will oop North! > Thank you for your ersponse, > Peter G > > 74 Elms Road > London, SW4 9EW, GB > Fax: (0)207 622 4505 > Tel : (0)207 622 9623 Peter; If my father, I, and our cousin Ogle have done our research correctly, then our line of Cunningham's goes back to John and William of Ballindaloch. John Cunningham, husband of Jean Weir was probably our ancestor also. Here's my 'hypothetical' tree: Richard L.Cunningham (me)- Richard Ross Cunningham- Samuel Ross Cunningham-Robert Reed Cunningham-Robert Black C.-Matthew Richmond C.+Sarah McClure Gaston-John C.+ Jennet Jane-Archibald C.+Elsbeth Orr-John C.+Margaret Muir-John C.+ Jean Weir. I will research more to confirm or not. Richard L Cunningham 137 Columbine Dr. Apt.306 Winston-Salem, NC. USA 27106

Here's the latest information from Rootsweb: "The Roots Web site is currently undergoing maintenance. As a result some areas of the site and its data are not accessible. This includes access to the archived Mailing List data. When the maintenance is complete these issues should be resolved. We expect the work to be completed soon, but we do not have a time frame as to when this will occur." -- Don Stone On 7/13/2016 4:43 PM, Darrel Hockley via wrote: > Does anyone know why there is no access to any of the rootsweb.com List Archives? > Darrel Hockley

On 7/13/2016 1:23 PM, Hovite via wrote: > Another Offa is recorded as King of Mercia, but again it is clear that his full name was Osfrith, ... Unless you can cite a document in which he was called Osfrith, that is far from clear, and the same is true of his Essex namesake. Naming customs generally have exceptions, and hypocoristic forms sometimes become separate names in their own right. Stewart Baldwin

On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 4:57:09 PM UTC-4, robert.the...@gmail.com wrote: > Dear Spencer, My best attribute is knowing when not to answer stupid questions. Amen, Robert!

Earwarker's bio does not provide much more detail: https://books.google.com/books?id=RYcrLq2t-ncC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=Dr+John+Hewitt+DD&source=bl&ots=tkg0JLXCY0&sig=johspAvze3RrjZpu0SMXky9vVIs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjsvraqPPNAhWF4yYKHX2FDnEQ6AEIJDAB#v=onepage&q=Dr%20John%20Hewitt%20DD&f=false Doug Smith

On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 7:32:59 PM UTC+3, D. Spencer Hines wrote: > What's the linkage to Richard Rich here? > > DSH > > "A vaincre sans peril, on triomphe sans gloire." -- Pierre Corneille > [1606-1684] > > "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and > conscientious stupidity." > > Martin Luther King, Jr. > > wrote in message > news:94774d06-6edf-4851-8b68-3c369d2be9c9@googlegroups.com... > > > None of this, of course, helps me find the definite link between > > Thomas Durham in Bermuda and Thomas Durham in Virginia. I did find, > > however, that Bermuda was actually a part of the Virginia colony and > > always had close ties; it was even called "Virgineola" during the > > early days of British colonialism. I also learned that it was common > > for Bermuda planters to have land in Virginia. That doesn't prove > > anything about Thomas Durham, but it raises the level of possibility > > that they may have been the same person. Even the Jamestown settlers > > appear to have gone to Virginia from Bermuda, according to the (ahem, > > Wiki-source) I used. > > For evidence suggestive of a link between Thomas Durham of Bermuda and > Thomas Durham of Richmond County, Virginia, I submit the following: > > 1. Both the father and the son of Thomas Durham of Bermuda were mariners, > leading to the supposition that Thomas was also a mariner. > > 2. In Bermuda, the settlers (company employees) were forbidden to build > ships, to encourage them to grow tobacco. This meant that mariners had to > establish relationships with shipwrights and boatwrights elsewhere. > > 3. Thomas Durham of Richmond County married, for his second wife, Dorothy > Gilbert(?), granddaughter of William Smoot, BOATWRIGHT of Charles County, > Maryland. > > The evidence that Dorothy was Thomas's second wife comes from a deed from > William Smoot, Jr. and from Thomas Durham's will, both of which identify son > Thomas, Jr. as the eldest son of DOROTHY (not of Thomas). I am descended > from Thomas's presumed elder son Samuel, who in 1704 witnessed the wills of > two first cousins of Dorothy (Gilbert?) Durham. Sources are on Samuel and > Thomas Durham's wikitree profiles at http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Durham-206 Thomas Durham of Bermuda was the eldest son of (Acting) Governor Henry Durham and wife Judith Hunt, who was the daughter of Richard Hunt and Frances Grimsditch, daughter of Thomas Grimsditch by Jane, sister of Nathaniel Rich, who left a lifetime interest in his Bermuda property to the Grimsditches. Nathaniel Rich was also a correspondent of Thomas Hunt of Bermuda, presumed father of Gov. Henry Durham.

This is of great interest to me as I have some Huett/Hewett ancestors from Eccles in the same time frame. One of them , Elizabeth , married a James Stafford. These Staffords are from the Wirksworth area, and although not 'gentle' were 'kin' , even closely related to the Staffords of Botham, although the kinship is impossible to ascertain, despite Ince's pedigrees, or perhaps in spite of!. Certainly the Staffords of Botham in surviving wills seem to show a marked preference for my Staffords. Peter In a message dated 14/07/2016 09:50:05 GMT Daylight Time, gen-medieval@rootsweb.com writes: ** can anyone help resolve a conundrum? *** Dr John Hewett is described by Wikipedia as a chaplain to Charles I. He campaigned for the restitution of the monarchy and was executed by Cromwell in 1658. He is an ancestor for many Americans through his son Rev John Huett jnr. The wikipedia page references a local history website which relies mainly on “Notes and Queries” (23 Nov 1861) which states that Hewett was the fourth of seven sons of Thomas Hewett, gentleman, born at Eccles near Manchester in 1614. No source is given for this statement, other than the back of a portrait in Cheshire with no obvious provenance link. It states that John had sons John and Charles, the latter apparently having died before 1658. The parish registers of Eccles show a John Huit (father not specified) but there is a child of a Thomas Huit the next month. Venn shows that Dr John matriculated sizar from Pembroke College, Cambridge, in 1633, which is consistent with a birth in 1614. An earlier “Notes and Queries” (Nov 1859) gives an alternative birth date of 1604, based on an entry in the register of the Merchant Taylors School. That reference is to a John Huit, son of John, citizen and merchant taylor, and so is probably not the fellow we are looking for. Familiae Minorum Gentium (by the antiquarian Joseph Hunter, published Harleian Society 1894-96) says he was the son of William Hewet of Eccles Lancashire (and … Cook of Worsely) and grandson of Thomas Hewet of London, who was the brother of Sir William Hewet (Lord Mayor of London 1559). This pedigree is described as “not to be depended upon” and “wants much examination” . While there was a William Hewet in the right location in the chart, he died in 1607 with just one son William who is accounted for. A clue to this mystery is that John Hewett's descendants inherited the Shireoaks estate which is on the corner of Derbyshire, Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire. This had been acquired by the Thomas Hewet mentioned in Familiae Minorum Gentium. Thomas died in 1575 leaving Shireoaks as a life interest to his wife and then to his son and heir Henry and his heirs forever. Thomas' other son William just got money – his descendants were the Hewetts of Stretton and they didn't inherit Shireoaks, which says that Dr John must have been a descendant of Henry. Henry died in 1598 leaving sons Thomas, Henry, John and Benjamin, all minors. Henry's wife Marie subsequently married Anthony Moseley of Manchester which may be where Eccles comes in, if she brought up the children there. She died in 1609 so it's unclear why the family would be in Eccles after that, unless waiting for Shireoaks Hall to be built (finished 1613?). John son of Henry, who might have been born around 1595, is a candidate to be our Dr John. The primary difficult with this identification is the Cambridge graduation in 1633, but perhaps that is a later attribution to someone with the same name. Dr John married Ellin Skinner in 1636 which does seem compatible with a 1633 graduation. (Of the other sons of Henry, Thomas matriculated at Oriel College Oxford in 1606 aged 19 and went to Gray's Inn, Henry to Oriel matriculated in 1606 aged 17 then to Inner Temple, Benjamin not shown in Oxford Alumni but went to Gray's Inn in 1616. This information implies a birth year for John of 1590-96.) An alternative possibility would be that son Thomas who was born about 1586 had a son John in 1614. He might have been “of Eccles” before he inherited Shireoaks; at some point he married Elizabeth Wrottesley, of a Staffordshire family. However Thomas' will of 1659 shows no signs of a recently executed son John with descendants, but it does mention a nephew Charles which is consistent with the main argument if Dr John's son Charles were still alive when the will was made. The universe might come back into alignment if John the son of Henry were born around 1590, lived with the family in Eccles, and himself had a son John there in 1614. The reference to nephew Charles in the 1659 will would technically be to a nephew's son, but that's hardly an obstacle. Or perhaps Henry son of Henry had a son John, which works nearly as well. I have no way of resolving these possibilities. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone who has private contact with Rosie Bevan please bring this post to her attention, as only she can answer this question. Thank you. Robert Spencer

** can anyone help resolve a conundrum? *** Dr John Hewett is described by Wikipedia as a chaplain to Charles I. He campaigned for the restitution of the monarchy and was executed by Cromwell in 1658. He is an ancestor for many Americans through his son Rev John Huett jnr. The wikipedia page references a local history website which relies mainly on “Notes and Queries” (23 Nov 1861) which states that Hewett was the fourth of seven sons of Thomas Hewett, gentleman, born at Eccles near Manchester in 1614. No source is given for this statement, other than the back of a portrait in Cheshire with no obvious provenance link. It states that John had sons John and Charles, the latter apparently having died before 1658. The parish registers of Eccles show a John Huit (father not specified) but there is a child of a Thomas Huit the next month. Venn shows that Dr John matriculated sizar from Pembroke College, Cambridge, in 1633, which is consistent with a birth in 1614. An earlier “Notes and Queries” (Nov 1859) gives an alternative birth date of 1604, based on an entry in the register of the Merchant Taylors School. That reference is to a John Huit, son of John, citizen and merchant taylor, and so is probably not the fellow we are looking for. Familiae Minorum Gentium (by the antiquarian Joseph Hunter, published Harleian Society 1894-96) says he was the son of William Hewet of Eccles Lancashire (and … Cook of Worsely) and grandson of Thomas Hewet of London, who was the brother of Sir William Hewet (Lord Mayor of London 1559). This pedigree is described as “not to be depended upon” and “wants much examination”. While there was a William Hewet in the right location in the chart, he died in 1607 with just one son William who is accounted for. A clue to this mystery is that John Hewett's descendants inherited the Shireoaks estate which is on the corner of Derbyshire, Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire. This had been acquired by the Thomas Hewet mentioned in Familiae Minorum Gentium. Thomas died in 1575 leaving Shireoaks as a life interest to his wife and then to his son and heir Henry and his heirs forever. Thomas' other son William just got money – his descendants were the Hewetts of Stretton and they didn't inherit Shireoaks, which says that Dr John must have been a descendant of Henry. Henry died in 1598 leaving sons Thomas, Henry, John and Benjamin, all minors. Henry's wife Marie subsequently married Anthony Moseley of Manchester which may be where Eccles comes in, if she brought up the children there. She died in 1609 so it's unclear why the family would be in Eccles after that, unless waiting for Shireoaks Hall to be built (finished 1613?). John son of Henry, who might have been born around 1595, is a candidate to be our Dr John. The primary difficult with this identification is the Cambridge graduation in 1633, but perhaps that is a later attribution to someone with the same name. Dr John married Ellin Skinner in 1636 which does seem compatible with a 1633 graduation. (Of the other sons of Henry, Thomas matriculated at Oriel College Oxford in 1606 aged 19 and went to Gray's Inn, Henry to Oriel matriculated in 1606 aged 17 then to Inner Temple, Benjamin not shown in Oxford Alumni but went to Gray's Inn in 1616. This information implies a birth year for John of 1590-96.) An alternative possibility would be that son Thomas who was born about 1586 had a son John in 1614. He might have been “of Eccles” before he inherited Shireoaks; at some point he married Elizabeth Wrottesley, of a Staffordshire family. However Thomas' will of 1659 shows no signs of a recently executed son John with descendants, but it does mention a nephew Charles which is consistent with the main argument if Dr John's son Charles were still alive when the will was made. The universe might come back into alignment if John the son of Henry were born around 1590, lived with the family in Eccles, and himself had a son John there in 1614. The reference to nephew Charles in the 1659 will would technically be to a nephew's son, but that's hardly an obstacle. Or perhaps Henry son of Henry had a son John, which works nearly as well. I have no way of resolving these possibilities.

Does anyone know why there is no access to any of the rootsweb.com List Archives? Darrel Hockley

On Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:44:09 UTC+12, D. Spencer Hines wrote: > Lord love a duck! > > Can this actually be true? > > Mother of mercy, is this the end of BoJo? > > DSH > > Exitus Acta Probat > > Donald John Trump is the alleged 15th cousin once removed of Alexander > Boris de Pfeffel Johnson > ..... His recent ministerial appointment suggests that Boris is not suffering from any supposed cousinship with Trump. The lineages match those on Familypedia (based partly on Geni.com). Doubtless some professional genealogist will say that one line or other is "bollixed", but that sort of statement needs just as much proof as a statement that the lineages are all true.

On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 11:23:45 AM UTC-7, Hovite wrote: > Offa, King of Essex, is an oddity. . . . in this case Offa is short for > Osfrith. His father was Sigehere, King of Essex, but his mother was Osgyth, > daughter of Frithuweald, King of Surrey, so the name Osfrith combined the > protothemes of his mother and maternal grandfather > Another Offa is recorded as King of Mercia, but again it is clear that his > full name was Osfrith, as he was the son of Thingfrith, and the father of > Ecgfrith You are leaving out Offa, legendary leader of the Angles. He appears in Widsith, Beowulf, and in the royal genealogies, while Saxo Grammaticus places him in Jutland (calling him Uffi). He is made son of Wermund son of Wihtlaeg, son of Woden. No -frith or Frith-. taf

Dear Spencer, My best attribute is knowing when not to answer stupid questions.

Dear Rosie: Back in 2003, you wrote an article on "Who is Edith d'Oilly" I have noted the update on this family, but it does not include anything more on Fulk, and I am most curious about your statement re: Fulk d'Oilly, where you stated below "Fulk d'Oilly's illegitimate issue which abounded in Yorkshire". " D'Oilly descendants may be found from the Daventry line. Other lines come from Gilbert, brother of Robert I and Nigel d'Oilly; possibly cadet Bassets;and Fulk d'Oilly's illegitimate issue which abounded in Yorkshire. There may be also Mandeville descendants of Alice d'Oilly." Questions: 1. Can you be so kind to identify any or all of these illegitimate issue of Fulk. That would be much appreciated. 2. Is this the same Fulk d'Oilly who was the brother of Robert d Oilly -Sheriff of Oxford? Thank you, Robert Spencer

Offa, King of Essex, is an oddity. His name is not in regular dithematic form, and he is one of just two East Saxon kings whose name did not commence with S (the other being the mythical founder). However, names ending in double consonants followed by a vowel are generally hypocoristic forms, and in this case Offa is short for Osfrith. His father was Sigehere, King of Essex, but his mother was Osgyth, daughter of Frithuweald, King of Surrey, so the name Osfrith combined the protothemes of his mother and maternal grandfather. Osgyth was apparently venerated as a saint by Christians, and no doubt her choice of themes was motivated by their meanings: os = god, frith = peace. Saint Osgyth may well have considered Osfrith to be a suitably Christian name for her son, especially when compared with Sigehere (victory, army) borne by his father. True to his name, Osfrith abdicated and became a monk. Another Offa is recorded as King of Mercia, but again it is clear that his full name was Osfrith, as he was the son of Thingfrith, and the father of Ecgfrith. That Offa could be short for Osfrith was alluded to by William Searle (Onomasticon Anglo-Saxonicum, page 364), citing Alois Hruschka (Zur Angelsächsischen Namensforschung 2: 54), and by Mats Redin (Studies on uncompounded personal names in Old English, page 105), additionally citing Erna Hackenberg (Die stammtafeln der angelsächsischen königreiche, page 105) as deriving Offa from Osfrith, Oftfor, or similar compounds. However, Redin (page 101) preferred to compare Offa with Oba, which he derived from a base ub-, found in Gothic ubils, meaning evil. That is clearly an impossible derivation for a Christian name. More recently, Fran Colman (The Grammar of Names in Anglo-Saxon England: The Linguistics and Culture of the Old English Onomasticon, page 129) cites David Insley & Lynda Rollason (The Durham Liber Vitae 2: 181) as stating that Offa is mainly a hypocoristic form of Osfrith, or of names commencing with Wulf-.

le Carter or le Caretier, also le Careter William Carter is a direct descendant, his family owning property in Bedfordshire, England since the late 1100's with Odo le Caretier born 1175. http://person.ancestry.com/tree/42685418/person/29797138097/facts Regarding the remark about yeoman: in 1115 yeoman was a landowner, a yeoman also referred to an employee of a household. This is not this instance. They were land owners. His ancestors are from France.

Em domingo, 18 de janeiro de 2009 03:46:00 UTC, ~Bret, scion of Charle de Magne escreveu: > On Jan 16, 8:29 pm, "Jared & Christina Olar" <ardgo...@comcast.net> > wrote: > > Anyway there was never any such person as Clovis the Ripuarian, King of > > Cologne, circa A.D. 420, nor did his alleged son Childebert, King of > > Cologne, circa A.D. 450, ever exist.  They were mistakenly invented early in > > the 20th century by someone who misinterpreted the Life of St. Goar's > > references to later Merovingian kings of those names.  The pedigree of > > Charlemagne certainly goes back to St. Arnulf, and probably goes back to > > Sigebert the Lame, King of Cologne.  That's as far as it can be taken. > > So, I cited Leo's genealogical website for the information > that Charlemagne's ancestry stops at: > > > St. Arnulf > Bishop of Metz[1,2] > 582 - 640 > http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020922&tree=LEO > > Other than making the unsubstantiated claim, > what documentation do you have to state > "and probably goes back to Sigebert the Lame, King of Cologne"? > > ~Bret, scion of Charle de Magne > > http://Back-stabbingAncestralDescendantsASSoc.genealogy.medieval You should see https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origine_des_Arnulfiens.

http://person.ancestry.com/tree/42685418/person/29797134366/facts I could invite you as a guest, with an email address. Then, you can select the relationship "17 th great-grandfather" to see the direct lineage. If you select see in family tree, you can see hus direct ancestors and immediate family. The relationship is thru his parents, not his marriage. In the 1500's "yeoman" meant a serving man or it meant a landowner, speaking to the the other comment. My Carter family is not Irish. They are that Le Carter family. I would like to know all I can about them before 1145.