Also ... architect Theophilus P. Chandler, educator and missionary George Washburn, and Major General Lewis Tappan Barney. https://books.google.com/books?id=tt4DAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA492&dq=philander+washburn+homes&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJxaqawITUAhXHOCYKHT6HBL8Q6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=philander%20washburn%20homes&f=false

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 4:36:43 PM UTC-4, P J Evans wrote: > On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote: > > On Thursday, December 23, 2010 at 11:35:37 PM UTC-6, Bradley Johnson wrote: ... > > > I am also seeking for some information on the ancestors of Thomas > > > Pettit and Thomas Pettit he was the husband of Christian Pettit > > > (Mellowes) and he is supposedly to be a son of Henry Pettit and also I > > > have been to a genealogy website and it says that Thomas Pettit he is > > > supposed to be a descendant from Saher De Quincy and Saher De Quincy > > > he is the one that signed to the Magna Carta. ... > > Please, what is the website you saw which linked Thomas pettit to saer de quincy? > > It's a post from 2010. They may not even see this. > I don't know how they're likeing Pettit to Quincy. I haven't seen evidence that links Pettit/Petit of Long Island to Mellowes, either. James Moore, in a genealogy of John Moore of Newton, LI, states (without a source) that the wife of Thomas Pettit was Christian Mellows. See https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t86h4mn9v;view=1up;seq=300 There is evidence in Exeter records that her given name was Christian. There is a transcription on familysearch.org of part of a book about the Pettit family that states that "The Talbot carried Thomas Pettit and his wife Christian Mellowes and her brother Oliver Mellowes, a widower born in 1597" and the son of Abraham Mellowes and Martha Bulkeley. See https://familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/4254562 I think a claim of a Magna Carta descent from Saher de Quincy for Thomas Pettit in the original poster's post would be for Thomas the son of Thomas and Christian (_____) Pettit, if Christian were indeed a daughter of Abraham and Martha (Bulkeley) Mellowes.

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote: > On Thursday, December 23, 2010 at 11:35:37 PM UTC-6, Bradley Johnson wrote: > > Hello Fellow Genealogy Users, My name is Bradley Johnson and I am > > trying is to seek out for some correct information and sources for the > > following people and there names are Edward Howell Of Long Island, New > > York and Thomas Pettit who was the husband of Christian Pettit > > (Mellowes). I have seen some conflicting information about the > > spouses of William Howell of whom was the grandfather of Edward > > Howell. The conflicting information that I have seen in two different > > genealogy websites and in the first genealogy website http://www.familysearch.org/ > > it shows three spouses for William Howell and the name for William's > > first wife her name was Maude Dunscombe and also it shows Anne Eyre > > and Anne Hampton. And so I would like to know of which ones are the > > right spouses for William Howell, was it Maude Dunscombe and Anne Eyre > > instead of Anne Hampton? > > > > I am also seeking for the parents of Alice Dormer. Alice Dormer, She > > was married to Thomas Crocker Or Croker and also are her parents > > Geoffrey Dormer and Alice Collingridge or are her parents Geoffrey > > Dormer and Margaret Launcelyn? I would also would like to know of > > what were Alice Dormer's siblings names were and also who was the > > parents of William Dormer of whom was the husband of Jane Launcelyn > > and also what were the names of William Dormer's siblings were as > > well? > > > > I am also seeking for some information on the ancestors of Thomas > > Pettit and Thomas Pettit he was the husband of Christian Pettit > > (Mellowes) and he is supposedly to be a son of Henry Pettit and also I > > have been to a genealogy website and it says that Thomas Pettit he is > > supposed to be a descendant from Saher De Quincy and Saher De Quincy > > he is the one that signed to the Magna Carta. > > > > This is my first post ever to this board and also any information and > > sources that anybody in this group might have about these two > > individuals, I will appreciate any information and feedback. > > Please, what is the website you saw which linked Thomas pettit to saer de quincy? It's a post from 2010. They may not even see this. I don't know how they're likeing Pettit to Quincy. I haven't seen evidence that links Pettit/Petit of Long Island to Mellowes, either.

On Thursday, December 23, 2010 at 11:35:37 PM UTC-6, Bradley Johnson wrote: > Hello Fellow Genealogy Users, My name is Bradley Johnson and I am > trying is to seek out for some correct information and sources for the > following people and there names are Edward Howell Of Long Island, New > York and Thomas Pettit who was the husband of Christian Pettit > (Mellowes). I have seen some conflicting information about the > spouses of William Howell of whom was the grandfather of Edward > Howell. The conflicting information that I have seen in two different > genealogy websites and in the first genealogy website http://www.familysearch.org/ > it shows three spouses for William Howell and the name for William's > first wife her name was Maude Dunscombe and also it shows Anne Eyre > and Anne Hampton. And so I would like to know of which ones are the > right spouses for William Howell, was it Maude Dunscombe and Anne Eyre > instead of Anne Hampton? > > I am also seeking for the parents of Alice Dormer. Alice Dormer, She > was married to Thomas Crocker Or Croker and also are her parents > Geoffrey Dormer and Alice Collingridge or are her parents Geoffrey > Dormer and Margaret Launcelyn? I would also would like to know of > what were Alice Dormer's siblings names were and also who was the > parents of William Dormer of whom was the husband of Jane Launcelyn > and also what were the names of William Dormer's siblings were as > well? > > I am also seeking for some information on the ancestors of Thomas > Pettit and Thomas Pettit he was the husband of Christian Pettit > (Mellowes) and he is supposedly to be a son of Henry Pettit and also I > have been to a genealogy website and it says that Thomas Pettit he is > supposed to be a descendant from Saher De Quincy and Saher De Quincy > he is the one that signed to the Magna Carta. > > This is my first post ever to this board and also any information and > sources that anybody in this group might have about these two > individuals, I will appreciate any information and feedback. Please, what is the website you saw which linked Thomas pettit to saer de quincy?

This lady's blog posts crack me up. She makes suggestions as to the best music by which to read one's favorite current American genealogists. Such as ... Gordon Remmington .... Hot Chip Cameron Allen .... Philip Glass Nat Taylor .... The Velvet Underground Jean Stephenson .... Wham!! Neil Thompson & Charles Hansen .... Cozy Cole Melinde Lutz .... Salt-N-Pepa Elizabeth Shown Mills .... Zongamin https://kickin-itwithgenealogy.blogspot.com/

Other descendants of Rev. and Mrs. Homes are business historian Alfred D. Chandler of Harvard, and unitarian minister and "Transcendentalist" Frederic Henry Hedge ... http://www.vectorstudy.com/management-gurus/alfred-chandler https://books.google.com/books?id=u_gkAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=%22henry+poor+chandler%22&source=bl&ots=1INxqmuvxV&sig=M-l67JwhbcUeB1pkluNLGvJCKSk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj37-7zhYTUAhUBaCYKHT9JBfcQ6AEIMTAC#v=onepage&q=%22henry%20poor%20chandler%22&f=false http://oasis.lib.harvard.edu/oasis/deliver/~sch00100

Are you referring to a Y-DNA test? Or an Autosomal DNA test?

On Monday, 22 May 2017 16:30:44 UTC+1, Ian Goddard wrote: > On 22/05/17 15:19, Peter Howarth wrote: > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m1o6h81udyjji2o/AACTUNEds5HOVqWtUAUoEa-4a?dl=0 > > > > I wasn't familiar with the site but the contents of Dropbox indicates > that its URL was www.briantimms.com > > Archive.org had archived copies of that site. This URL seems to be one > of the last good captures: > > https://web.archive.org/web/20060402212658/http://briantimms.com:80/ > > although you may have to go back to about > > https://web.archive.org/web/20050330002245/http://www.briantimms.com:80 > > to get records from Early Rolls of Arms. > > Later captures suggest the domain was eventually cyber-squatted. > > -- > Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng > at austonley org uk Thanks, Ian, that is excellent news. The last time I tried they hadn't drilled down deeply enough to save the actual details. I notice that now when drilling down, the date at the top for the Wayback Machine changes, suggesting that they saved different parts at different times and have now synthesised them. Whatever the reason, it means that we can now browse the site again. On the other hand, I'm glad I've downloaded the information and backed it up. Peter Howarth

Brian Timms's website I have already alluded to Brian Timms's marvellous website. It had details of almost all the English rolls from Glover's Roll (c.1253-8) to the Stirling Roll (1304), with illustrations and, importantly, cross-references where arms occur in more than one roll. He also had details of four French rolls, Bigot, Wijnbergen, Chifflet-Prinet, and Vermandois, the last of which is almost impossible to find anywhere else. In addition he had details of the Barons' Letter to the Pope of 1301, with the seals of nine earls and seventy-nine barons, all illustrated. Ian Fettes is well known for still maintaining Leo van de Pas's website 'Genealogics'. And when Brian first had to give up his website, Ian helped by saving everything on his computer. He has now generously made all the files available for download (but not browsing) at a Dropbox site: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m1o6h81udyjji2o/AACTUNEds5HOVqWtUAUoEa-4a?dl=0 Many thanks to both Brian and Ian. Peter Howarth

On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 11:09:11 AM UTC-7, Peter Howarth wrote: > > Only rarely do any of the rolls ever say where the person is from; just occasionally a roll may distinguish one branch of a family from another. St George's and Charles' Rolls never do. > Thanks, Peter. It was a question asked in hope rather than expectation.

And, no, I wouldn't expect "and more" to be an exact age. I'd expect something like 24 years on such and such a day last ... to be exact. The more I think about it, I think the only resolution is to turn Thomas into Nicholas, the brother and executor of John, but whose somehow not the heir with that exact relationship stated in IPMs, and then detach the current Nicholas as parentage unknown. No verifiable Magna Carta line.

You also end up with a Sheriff that's 28, and younger than the common age range you gave in a previous argument. Meanwhile, age 52ish is in the common age range you gave.

So, you end up with a Nicholas, born 1352, marrying and being granted property at age 14, with no real evidence of parents, or guardians. Meanwhile, there does actually seem to be a Nicholas, executor and brother of John (d. 1348), exactly as described in the IPM relationships.

On 5/21/2017 8:43 AM, Jordan Vandenberg wrote: > Thanks for the responses. > > What I am trying to do is take for example, William Marshal and show multiple descents to a colonial ancestor, or a present day person. In this case the descents would be through more than one of his daughters. I do have family tree maker and am somewhat proficient with photoshop, so splicing lines together that way as suggested may work. > > Ian, you suggestion to colour code surnames or even when a line branches from a common ancestor is a good idea. > > I am looking for something that when produced would be visually appealing enough to display, so with the ability to change background colour/design, font, borders, etc. I would be very surprised if there is a satisfactory solution to this problem that does not somehow involve the manual editing of the tree, such as the splicing solution already suggested. Computers are not good at making the aesthetic judgements needed to make a good genealogical table. Stewart Baldwin

On 21/05/17 01:42, Jordan Vandenberg wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had experience creating large charts that show multiple descents from a person/couple in medieval times, and if so if they know of any decent software, or an app that is good for creating such a chart? It's not clear from what you say whether you're meaning multiple descendants from a single couple or multiple lines of descent from the couple to a later individual. I wouldn't expect standard genealogical programs would do the latter very well; I think you'd end up with a standard looking family tree which, on closer inspection, has the same person appearing in multiple places. What I've done (I have a ggmother with 4 lines of descent from a single C17th couple) is to use a straightforward chart drawing program. In my case it was Draw from LibreOffice. I've stacked boxes on top of each other to produce the following effect (I hope you're using a fixed pitch font to read this) +---------+ | Husband | +---------+ | = Wife | +---------+ | Child |\ +---------+ \ \+--- | Hu +-- | etc. Where there are multiple children in the descent multiple boxes can be used. If there's a 2nd marriage that can be shown below the box for the child of the first marriage and so on. You can use your own judgement on how to place these to best show multiple descents. You can colour code the surnames by setting the background colours of the boxes. -- Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng at austonley org uk

I had never tried this, so I did the following: With FTM 2005, I chose "Descendant Tree - Standard" with the option "Direct descents from William Marshal to Ella Frances Miles" (my grandmother). Under Format, I chose custom layout, automatic. I also selected a nice border and wrote a title. I just chose to put the name in each box, no dates, etc. Then in FTM under File, Print Setup, I selected "Specific Printer" and "Microsoft to PDF" and chose 0 for all margins and deselected overlap pages. With the information about medieval people that I have currently included in my FTM file, my grandmother has seven descents from William Marshal (one from Isabel, four from Eva, and two from Maud). The tree fits on 4 pages with the above options. Then I selected File, Print Descendant Tree. (I am using Windows 10, the Export the Descendant Tree to Acrobat (PDF) function in FTM 2005 does not work on Windows 7 and later. Choosing it crashes the program.) Then I used the website http://pdftoimage.com/ to produce 4 jpg images of the four pages of the pdf. Finally I used IrvanView (from http://www.irfanview.com/) to stitch the images together, using the Image, Create Panorama image command. I did this by creating a horizontal panorama from images 1 and 2 and a horizontal panorama from images 3 and 4. Then I created a vertical panorama from the two horizontal panoramas. For each panorama I chose -1 pixels as the space between the images because with the default 0 pixels, there was a little gap. I think the final image would be good enough to hang on a wall but printing a legible version would require a printer that accepts large paper. I suppose one could print it at a print shop that had such equipment. There is one odd thing about the Descendant Tree made by FTM 2005. The line to each descendant goes from the spouse of one descendant to the next descendant instead of from the = sign that joins the spouses. Jordan, I'll send you my jpg file so you can see if you like the result well enough.

Ftm maker (at least the 1998 version I use and prefer) shows multiple lines by putting a number in he box of repeated individuals. Descendants of the repeated individual are not then repeated at all. In this way I can show all descents between Charlemagne and an chosen American gateway without having it be insanely large.

I just found what appears to be a really good app for this called draw.io. It is free and allows you to create complex flow charts. You can colour code, add pictures, backgrounds, change fonts, connect boxes in different ways, etc. You have to individually create boxes and input the information, but you can copy and paste to duplicate your boxes and connectors individually or in groups to save time. It is worth checking out. Jordan. On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 8:42:32 PM UTC-4, Jordan Vandenberg wrote: > Good day, > > I was wondering if anyone had experience creating large charts that show multiple descents from a person/couple in medieval times, and if so if they know of any decent software, or an app that is good for creating such a chart? > > Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Jordan Vandenberg.

On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 8:42:32 PM UTC-4, Jordan Vandenberg wrote: > Good day, > > I was wondering if anyone had experience creating large charts that show multiple descents from a person/couple in medieval times, and if so if they know of any decent software, or an app that is good for creating such a chart? > > Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Jordan Vandenberg. I agree Family Tree Maker is a good choice. But if you don't want to get Photoshop (which can be subscribed to at www.adobe.com, not purchased), try Gimp, where is a freeware photo editor (www.gimp.org). You could also do crops and merges in desktop publishing software.

Thanks for the responses. What I am trying to do is take for example, William Marshal and show multiple descents to a colonial ancestor, or a present day person. In this case the descents would be through more than one of his daughters. I do have family tree maker and am somewhat proficient with photoshop, so splicing lines together that way as suggested may work. Ian, you suggestion to colour code surnames or even when a line branches from a common ancestor is a good idea. I am looking for something that when produced would be visually appealing enough to display, so with the ability to change background colour/design, font, borders, etc. Thanks, Jordan. On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 8:42:32 PM UTC-4, Jordan Vandenberg wrote: > Good day, > > I was wondering if anyone had experience creating large charts that show multiple descents from a person/couple in medieval times, and if so if they know of any decent software, or an app that is good for creating such a chart? > > Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Jordan Vandenberg.