Hi Freddie, I am around several yrs. The problem that you describe is a main reason way I ask for eventually possesion of the regulations. I was in contact with Italian Nobility Assocoation and thay have nothing on that. I am not trying to locate one family or one person arms. I am searching for info on Venetian regulations i.e. what and who was intitled to call him self patritian of venice etc.. Link that was kindly provided to me a not accurate i.e. Adam claims that Venice recognised all of Bosnian nobility as a Counts, in fakt all of high nobility which resisted Ottomans was able to keep the title thay have before I.E Knez etc. and those who didnt resist had granted Conte (Count)Veneto title if higher nobility. Untill this day I did not succed to find more on Venice/Dalmatia rules. meening not Croatian not austrian not napolen but rullles when Venice/Dalmatia was independent and hade a Doge. I am fully aweare of buklets shop existance and I am not going there... I check up with Croatians to, no results. I have a modest collection on Illyrian arms taken from Rietstap AG, Siebmacher etc... I have more on regulations on sc Illyrian heraladic regulations on i.e crestes etc... Local libraly is to far to me. I live in Sweden. Rgds. PS. A countless googling does not give me more :( [email protected] (Freddie the Crook Finder) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > On 9 Jun 2004 19:31:19 -0700, [email protected] (Dr) wrote: > > >Hi the Crook Finder, > >What has my questuion on venetian or/and dalmatian heraldic > >regulations to do with bookelt shops? > >Regulations are just that. thay are not arms. > >Rgds. > > Hi Dr, > > Call it guilt by association for lack of a better term. Any time your > around a place where folks usually talk pure genealogy and words like > coat of arms, family crest or even words like venetian or/and > dalmatian heraldic regulations creep into the conversation the crooks > are sure to follow. > > Case in point number 1. In her recent post here, Carole Allen tells of > doing a google search for "dalmatian coat of arms". While she got many > hits, many of them were just links to T shirts and cofee mugs for sale > with your coat of arms on it. Foul, you cry. The lady actually > searched for the dirty words, coat of arms. Well your sort of correct, > but look at case in point number 2. I myself, this very night, placed > your words, "venitian dalmatian heraldic rules" into the google search > engine. All kidding aside, you may want to do this if you have not > because much of the information that comes up is probably just what > you are looking for. > > In the midst of all this information, this site appeared: "About > Croatian Symbols"Here's the URL for it. > > > http://miyeonjan.tripod.com/croatia_flags_e01.html > > Right up at the very top of the home page are three advertisements. > > 1. Coat of arms. Find your family crest, the coat of arms store. > > 2. Design your own. 4600 color wmf (Vector) clipart. Everything you > need. > > 3. Your coat of arms. Family histories and coat of arms. Large variety > of gifts. shop on line. > > This is blatant crookery! It has to make you wonder about the efficacy > of the whole site if they have to resort to using that type of ads > when there are plenty of places they could have put their site for > free. You would probably be right if you said it was the word heraldic > that brought the crooks out of the woodwork, but that's my point. It > don't take much, and the really amazing thing is how many innocent > people fall for their line of baloney. > > Frankly I don't see it. Unless all possible avenues of research are > closed, what's wrong with good old fasioned detective work in a town's > civil records or the town's church records. Many of which are now > available on microfilm and can be researched in neighborhood Family > History Libraries all over the U.S. and many other countries. How many > ancestors and how much family history can you learn by finding out > that 5th great grandfather, Guido on ma ma's side had arms which > featured a featherless chicken on a treadmill with an Uzi slung over > his shoulder? I've found nearly1600 ancestors back 12 generations The > other way. One or two of them may have shined Napoleon's boots or > spread manure on his tomatoes, but why would anyone care about that? > > Freddie

On 11 Jun 2004 14:53:15 -0700, [email protected] (Dr) wrote: >Hi Freddie, >I am around several yrs. >The problem that you describe is a main reason way I ask for >eventually possesion of the regulations. Dr, Please believe me, if you go to the google search engine, specifically the "Advanced Search", and where it says, "Find results with all of the words:" and on that line type in, "venetian dalmatian heraldic rules" you will get no less than 32 hits. I do not have time to explore each of them for you, but I can tell you that to me it looks like just the information you are looking for. this site: http://heraldry.mol.com.mk/oldest_arms_in_macedonia.htm It appears to discuss what and who was entitled to call himself Patrician of Venice. It speaks of 'Illyrians"and of an "Imperial Illyricom that was comprised of Macedonia, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Dalmatia, Crowatia, Slovenia, Raska and Serbia. There is also mention of The Regent (vicar) 0f Neapolis (Naples). I only looked briefly at 3 of the 32 hits, but If you have time and have not already, I suggest you look more closely here. The Mormon church has 3,700 libraries (Family History Centers) in over 88 countries. About 100,000 rolls of microfilm are circulated to these centers each month. It would not surprise me if they have the informatio you are looking for. If you have not, you should ask. I don't know where you are in Sweden, and do not know much about the country, but there are 26 Family History Centers there. Here is a list: Alingsas Sweden Safirgatan 2 S-44145 Alingsås, Alvsborg County, Sweden Phone: 6-16-322-14918 Boras Sweden Kvibergsgatan 81 S-50263 Borås, Älvsborg County, Sweden Phone: 033-129744 Borlange Sweden Vasagatan 8 S-78432 Borlänge, Kopparberg County, Sweden Phone: +46--243-15119 Eskilstuna Sverige Kungsvägen 5 S-63340 Eskilstuna, Sweden Phone: +46-16-138300 Gavle Sweden Rynningsgatan 6 S-80256 Gävle, Gävleborg County, Sweden Phone: +46-26-511663 Gubbangen Sweden Gubbängsvägen 75 S-12545 Enskede, Stockholm County, Sweden Phone: +46-8-947871 Halmstad Sweden Munkalychevägen 2 S-30332 Halmstadt, Sweden Phone: 46-35-124842 Helsingborg Sweden Kopparmöllegatan 9 S-25236 Helsingborg, Malmohus County, Sweden Phone: +46--42-123046 Jonkoping Sweden Hagalundsgatan 2 S-55265 Jönköping, Jönköping County, Sweden Phone: +4636-710781 Karlskrona Sweden Östra Torpvägen 12 S-37929 Lyckeby, Blekinge County, Sweden Phone: +46-455-29132 Krishanstadt Sweden Lyckans Väg 13 S-29134 Krishanstad, Sweden Phone: +46-44-123817 Linköping Sverige Drottninggatan 12 S-58225 Linköping, Sweden Phone: +46-13-310331 Lulea Sweden Blomgatan 5 S-95154 Luleå, Norrbotten County, Sweden Phone: +46-920-225154 Malmo Sweden Vikingagatan 90 S-21774 Malmö, Malmohus County, Sweden Phone: +46-40-263375 Attention: Correct phone number is +46-40-912158 Orebro Sweden Lingonstigen 2 A S-70360 ¿ebro, ¿ebro County, Sweden Phone: +46-19 254870 Orebro Sweden Lingonstigen 2 A S-70360 Örebro, Sweden Phone: +46-19-254870 Skelleftea Sweden Nygatan 74 S-93134 Skellefteå, Vasterbotten County, Sweden Phone: +46-910-53046 Skovde Sweden Niklasbergagatan 1 S-54136 Skövde, Skaraborg County, Sweden Phone: +46-500-85528 Stockholm Sweden Tempelvägen 3 S-13741 Vasterhaninge Stockholm, Sweden Phone: 46-8-5002-6150 Sundsvall Sweden Umeåvägen 2 S-85266 Sundsvall, Vasternorrland County, Sweden Phone: +46-60-500350 Trollhattan Sweden Hälvors Vag 238 S-46144 Trollhättan, Alvsborg County, Sweden Phone: 0+46-20-16742 Umea Sweden Glimmervägen 9 S-90470 Umeå, Vasterbotten County, Sweden Phone: +46-90-196021 Uppsala Sweden S:t Johannesgatan 41 S-75264 Uppsala, Sweden Phone: +46-18-516574 Uppsala Sweden S:t Johannesgatan 41 S-75264 Uppsala, Sweden Phone: 46-18-516574 Vasterhaninge Sweden Templevägen 3 S-13741 Västerhaninge, Stockholm County, Sweden Phone: +46-8-50065590 Vastra Frolunda Sweden Gnistgatan 6 S-42143 Västra Frölunda, Goteborg och Bohus County, Sweden Phone: +46-31-456692 Note: These are not mailing addresses. Because of limited staff, Family History Centers cannot respond to mail inquiries. Dr. I will be the first to admit that I don't have any idea of what you are trying to do, but I hope some of this information is helpful. Freddie The Crook Finder, confused, but trying to help. Catching crooks is a lot more fun, but I try.