Bonjour, Thank you Alberto, you worked much for me, the information that you give me are useful for me. But where did Otto pass? Yet, he existed, that I am sure, we had a picture of him in the family. He was Consul of State in 1122. Perhaps he did not make significant things, for that he is not in the books? Sorry for my English Cordialement Hélène "Alberto Forcheri" <albafor@yahoo.it> a écrit dans le message de news: ajicve$1bhvf2$1@ID-84984.news.dfncis.de... > > "Fabio Parri" <XXXparrif_ibbXXX@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:3d5b8f5b.42607666@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:30:27 +0200, "GRAGLIA francis" > > <fgraglia@club-internet.fr> wrote: > > > >................... > > Aree your De Mari ancestor and Marielle's relatives ? I ask as his > > ancestors seem to be from Genua, so I'm just curious :) > > From ""GENOA & THE GENOESE" by Steven A. Epstein: > > Pg 21 - "A late document of 1256 supplied the names of those Genoese > families that traced their noble roots back to the viscounts of the eleventh > century. ...... The noble families included ........ de Mari .... and many > others. " > Pg 75 - "The family of the viscounts of Genoa had split into three main > branches; the Carmandino, de Insulis (delle Isole), and Manesseno lines. The > Carmandino line included the families of Avvocato, Lusio, Pevere, de Mari > Serra and Usodimare." > Pg 107 - "The Pevere and de Mari descended from the viscounts of Carmandino, > and they vould be leaders of the imperial fraction in the city, ...." > Pg 86 - "The year 1187 .... on 16 February, Lanfranco, the son of Giacomo de > Turca, one of the consuls, assassinated another consul, Angelo de Mari." > Pg 115 - " .... Guglielmo de Mari, the son of Angelo de Mari whom Laanfranco > de Turca had assassinated back in 1187, gathered a coalition of malcontents: > some nobles, many popolo and .... occupied houses and towers of Ingone .... > " " ... the podestà ... firmly ordered these rebels to submit to his > authority. For some reason de Mari backed down ... he swore to obey ..., but > ..." " ... in November de Mari's compagna was dissolved, .." "Guglielmo's > brother Ansaldo later became admiral under Frederic II and commander of the > imperial naval forces attacking Genoa ..." > .............................. >