That was my subtle way of saying what you said. My "crest" is for a family named for a place. That's the consensus of where this name comes from, from every reference I have seen. So, in the beginning, are we ALL kin or was it that our ancestors came from the same county in England? So, who was this "crest" for? None were any more than farmers. I fact the name comes from, partly, the word "Farm." They are fun, if we remember that. I am framing the one I have, from another family, (it came with a book on the surname). It is just something to hang in my genie room, like a picture that that is pretty and colorful. Like the greeting card of a Virginia church where they congregated, but which I can connect directly with. Everybody is out to make a buck, if you remember that, you aren't gipped. Carleen

On 19 May 2002 11:21:24 -0600, CCarnivale@aol.com wrote: >That was my subtle way of saying what you said. My "crest" is for a family >named for a place. That's the consensus of where this name comes from, from >every reference I have seen. So, in the beginning, are we ALL kin or was it >that our ancestors came from the same county in England? >So, who was this "crest" for? None were any more than farmers. I fact the >name comes from, partly, the word "Farm." >They are fun, if we remember that. I am framing the one I have, from another >family, (it came with a book on the surname). It is just something to hang in >my genie room, like a picture that that is pretty and colorful. Like the >greeting card of a Virginia church where they congregated, but which I can >connect directly with. >Everybody is out to make a buck, if you remember that, you aren't gipped. >Carleen > I picked up on your being subtle and your healthy attitude about everybody being out to make a buck. Your right. But I worry about the folks who actually believe this crest mubo jumbo. They are gipped, and that's never good. There's a town in Italy with the same name as my surname. I'd wager I could get any number of these crest salesmen to offer me that towns crest as my family crest, but that would be a lie and they would know it. The crest they would want to sell me would be a civic insignia and have nothing to do with my family. I happen to know that, at least for 9 generations, none of my ancestors ever lived anywhere near the town in question. It's also well inside the realm of possibility that some distant ancestor moved and founded a town with his surname. So, the fact that more than one fast buck artist will say that the Jones name originated among folks who lived in Jonesville, appears to lend credence to the scam, it means nothing. Frank F.