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"John Broderick" <jmbroder@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:gCZZf.20595$Sf.6155@bignews6.bellsouth.net: > Can I impose on some kind sole with an ancestry.com subsription to see > if Joseph Lieonne of Ontaria NY has a wife Mary and children Sarah, > Santa or Petrina in the 1920 Census. > I am looking for my great-grandfather Joseph LeDonne, who is found in > both the 1910 and 1930 census, but went missing in the 1920. His > brother is from Ontario, NY and this aberrant spelling is a possible > guess. I cancelled my subscription a while back and have not had a > chance to get to a library to use AncestryPlus. > > Thank you for any help. > John Mobile, Alabama > 1920 Census has: address 17 Humbert St, Geneva City, Ontario County, NY name, relation, dob, immigrated, where born, occupation Joseph Lieonne, head, 1879, 1910, Italy, laborer on railroad Mary Lieonne, wife, 1882, 1912, Italy Antonette Lieonne, dau,1908, 1912, Italy Ralph Lieonne, son, 1915, , NY Concetta Lieonne, dau, 1917, , NY John Lieonne, son, 1918, , MY Ralph ?, boarder, 1890, 1913, Italy, blacksmith at limestone so Patrick ?, boarder, 1886, 1912, Italy, laborer at radiator co [ can't read the last names of the boarders, sorry ] ciao, Donna

Subject: Invitation to join the NEW gen-med group about the GENEALOGY of MEDITERRANEAN FAMILIES Un nuovo gruppo per discutere di genealogia e storia delle famiglia di ENTRAMBE le sponde del Mediterraneo A new group to discuss about the genealogies of BOTH sides of the Mditerranean sea Group name: gen-med Group home page: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gen-med> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gen-med Group email address: gen-med@yahoogroups.com -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Logos Finanziaria SPA. Societ� di credito ad erogazione diretta. Fino a 30.000 euro in 24 ore! Clicca e scopri come * Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2909&d=9-4

Looking for Avigliano connection.Oliveto or Gallo Family or /Bianculli Thanks

Consiglio a tutti coloro I quali sono interessati alla ricerca genealogica sulle famiglie italiane, di visitare e partecipare al Forum dello I.A.G.I (Istituto Araldico Genealogico Italiano), "I nostri avi" al seguente link: http://www.iagiforum.info/index.php Marco -----Original Message----- From: John Broderick [mailto:jmbroder@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 3:48 AM To: GEN-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Address for Mili San Pietro, Messina archives Needed Hello, I suspect my Tusa and other associated families come from MILI San Pietro of Messina. Can someone give me the state archives or local church diocese address so I can write and inquire? I can obtain translations of a letter on inquiry - besides postal coupons anything else? John Mobile, Alabama -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Partecipa anche tu al concorso Wilkinson e vinci un weekend per 2! * * Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=4996&d=9-4

Hello, I suspect my Tusa and other associated families come from MILI San Pietro of Messina. Can someone give me the state archives or local church diocese address so I can write and inquire? I can obtain translations of a letter on inquiry - besides postal coupons anything else? John Mobile, Alabama

Can I impose on some kind sole with an ancestry.com subsription to see if Joseph Lieonne of Ontaria NY has a wife Mary and children Sarah, Santa or Petrina in the 1920 Census. I am looking for my great-grandfather Joseph LeDonne, who is found in both the 1910 and 1930 census, but went missing in the 1920. His brother is from Ontario, NY and this aberrant spelling is a possible guess. I cancelled my subscription a while back and have not had a chance to get to a library to use AncestryPlus. Thank you for any help. John Mobile, Alabama

Questo forum inizia la sua attività ufficiale il 4 Aprile 2006, attualmente in fase di completamento ma assolutamente operativo. Divieni un membro del Forum della Genealogia Italiana e contribuisci anche tu a far crescere questa comunità. http://genealogia.forumfree.net A new Forum about Italian Genealogy was created This forum just begins its activity on April 4th 2006, so please, become a member of the Italian Genealogy Forum and help this community to grow up. http://genealogia.forumfree.net

Riassumendo, generalmente e senza entrare troppo nei dettagli ( per cui ci vorrebbe un libro): Per quanto riguarda gli archivi storici dello Stato Civile, in Comune e nella fattispecie del Veneto e del Friuli, si va dal 1871 ad oggi ( in alcuni Comuni anche dal 1866). Considerando però le distinzioni territoriali del Friuli fino al 1919 e successivamente di Trieste, consiglierei di dare una occhiata alla tabella presente qui: http://archivi.beniculturali.it/ASUD/consulenza_ita.htm I fondi presenti nei comuni non sono consultabili dal pubblico ma si possono richiedere, mediante domanda scritta, estratti o copie integrali per scopo di ricerca. Gli archivi parrocchiali hanno generalmente registri di Battesimo, Cresima, Matrimonio e Morte, dal 1580 ad oggi. Nonché i registri Civili del periodo Austro-Ungarico. Qualche volta: Registri dello Stato delle Anime, della Fabbriceria e di resoconti in generale su: spese, messe e quant'altro. I fondi presenti nelle parrocchie sono consultabili dal pubblico solo previa concessione e disponibilità del parrocco. Molti Archivi Diocesani ( presenti nelle Curie) hanno le trascrizioni integrali dei registri presenti nelle Parrocchie facenti parte della Diocesi stessa. I fondi presenti nelle Curie sono normalmente consultabili dal pubblico, previo appuntamento. Gli Archivi di Stato ( presenti in ogni città di provincia) dispongono, oltre che tutto, od in parte, lo stesso Stato Civile; di tutta una serie di altri fondi ( Ecclesiastici, Giudiziari, Catastali, Militari, Notarili ecc. ecc.) http://archivi.beniculturali.it I fondi presenti negli Archivi di stato sono consultabili dal pubblico. Infine, alcuni Comuni ( per lo più i capoluoghi di provincia) dispongono di un Archivio Storico Comunale, aperto al pubblico. Per tutti questi archivi, documentatevi sempre e prima, su orari e modalità. Molte Curie e qualche parrocchia, hanno dei siti su Internet. La legge sulla Privacy copre solo gli ultimi 70 anni, quindi, come consultazione e richieste andate tranquilli. Per l'aspetto della successiva divulgazione a terzi, si entrerebbe in un contesto legislativo più complesso. Saluti Walter S. "elis" <elis@localhost.localdomain> ha scritto nel messaggio news:mn.ad177d6326b67aae.32459@localhost.localdomain... > Ciao a tutti! > Scusate la domanda...spero non sia OT. > Devo iniziare alcune ricerche relative all'albero genealogico mio e di mio > marito, qui in Italia dove viviamo, a partire dal 1920 in giu', visto che > i dati dopo quella data li abbiamo. > Sapete dirmi dove posso rivolgermi (anagrafi comunali, registri > parrocchiali, biblioteche. associazioni) e quali difficolta' potro' > incontrare, soprattutto grazie alla legge della privacy (che in genere > crea solo problemi e non tutela veramente chi dovrebbe)? > Potrebbero negarmi i dati? > Come funziona in altri paesi europei ed extraeuropei? > > Grazie! > > Elisa > > -- > ---- > ESP > >

Salve Filippo, la Francia è, tradizionalmente e istituzionalmente, la più attiva nel campo Genealogico in tutto il panorama Europeo, forse anche più dell'intero Regno Unito. Le motivazioni principali per cui qui non c'è ancora un gran seguito sono, per sommi capi: il poco interesse per questa questa Scienza la mancanza di formazione (non esistono scuole di Genealogia, fatto salva quella a Bologna dello IAGI ma che lascia il tempo che trova. Non è presente negli Atenei, se non come frammento inserito nella facoltà delle "Scienze Storiche e Documentarie" o come riferimento nei corsi di Archivistica. Non è riconosciuta e non è tutelata, ne dal nostro Governo ne dalla "Chiesa", che presentano di sovente limiti e preclusioni. Ovviamente, tutto ciò non può che dispiacermi. A mio personale parere, la mancanza di una certa "Regolarizzazione" di quanto, lede sia l'aspetto "Professionale" che quello puramente "Hobbistico". Poi, se vogliamo discutere sulle sostanziali differenze tra questi due aspetti, rimango a disposizione. Saluti Walter Santantonio I "fipodes" <fipodes@tin.it> ha scritto nel messaggio news:439568a5$0$13266$4fafbaef@reader2.news.tin.it... > esiste in Italia un gruppo di volontari, che si propone di fare delle > ricerche, delle foto....dislocati nelle varie regioni, e ovviamenti > appassionari di genealogia??? > Vedo che in Francia la cosa è molto più sentita e attiva: esistono dei > gruppi a vari livello in ogni dipartimento, ai quali fanno poi capo tutti > i > volontari dei comuni di appartenenza. Pensavo di trovare anche qui questo > spirito, ma vedo che non c'è.....mi sbaglio??? > > Filippo > >

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Dear Mr.Joe, I just wanted to thank you, For all your help and advice. I am subscribed to many list considering I am doing my husbands family too. And I can honestly say this list is the best. no off handed subjects, just help from very nice people. Thank you for directing me and assisting me. Maybe one day I will make it to Italy and be able to send everyone pictures of their homeland. God bless you Catherine Campbell

Dear Lionhearted Many thanks for your information. However, do you happen to know where the census details for Italy are held after 1860, particularly for the Valle d'Aosta? Although I have tried to find something on the Internet, I seem to "land in the wrong place"! I can search in French/Italian, so any signposts would be much appreciated. With best wishes Sylvia J. Hunt Scotland/La Scozia

I am very interested in the census of Italy. Please, is this information accessible on-line and, if so, do you know the web site address? Many thanks Sylvia J. Hunt Scotland/La Scozia Joseph R. (Bob) Bouvier wrote: > My references tell me the first census was in 1871 and was taken every ten > years. The same source says the early censuses were not very useful, > identifying only the head of household and giving headcount of other family > members. It wasn't until the 20th century the censuses had better > information. > > Bob > > <Chicad26@aol.com> wrote in message news:144.587ac31e.31607da3@aol.com... > > Hello, > > > > Just a quick question: > > > > Is there a census in Italy? I found my relatives in the 1930 US census > > and > > in the 1910. They don't however, seem to exist in the 1920. Being that > > the > > husband was born in Italy, I thought maybe he had taken them there and > > that > > would explain why they seem to have "disappeared" for the 1920 census. > > > > Is there a way to check the Italy census if there is one? If anyone has > > it > > on CD or has other access, I would really appreciate the help. Here are > > the > > names just in case: Thanks in advance. > > > > Michael Agnella/o: would be about 33 in 1920. Born in Italy > > Millie/Mildred : wife - would be 32 > > Children: Joseph, Angelo, Frank, Mary, Carrie > > > > Thanks again, > > Laura Agnella > >

Hello Beautiful people, I am in need of help (again). I just found my great grand fathers ship manifest and it said he came from Campodimele. Italy. Now looking on different web sites It does not give me a Campodimele. I am totally lost can any one point me in the correct direction? Thank you Catherine

Not getting any action elsewhere, eh, shithead? Let me be among the legion of folks who have told you - and will continue to do so - that you are an ass and completely unwelcome in this or any other newsgroup. Go to hell away, loser. -- "We can forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." ---Plato -----

<Chicad26@aol.com> wrote in message news:228.937c405.3161f3b3@aol.com... > sorry, your e-mail wouldn't work when I tried to reply. > > > You e-mailed me the Vanella family in the 1920 census today. I wanted to > start by saying thank you. I appreciate your time. Once you gave me > this > name, I went back to the 1900 census (just out of curiosity) and typed in > that > name again. I found what looks like Michael Vanella (agnello) with his > parents > and family, again in phila, ward 2. > > I'm a little confused..... Does this mean that my family name is Vanella > and not Agnella? Is it possible that they screwed up the name in two > different > census'? I don't really know what my next step is now that this new name > has popped up. I have a lookup out for Michael and Millie's marriage > cert. in > phila. in the hopes that it will have parent names on it but I don't know > now > if I should have asked for vanella instead. Hi Laura, Don't believe I can help you decide what the proper name is. It is possible the census enumerator or the individual who transcribed the census for the index screwed up the name in all of the censuses. I cannot read the image in 1900. In 1910 it is indexed as Agniello, in 1920 Vanella and in 1930 Agnello. In the 1910 census Michael and Millie are living with Millie's father who is indexed as Dominek Comadeca. You have requested the marriage certificate. Other records you need to search for are the death certificates which often have the parents names. If you know the dates of death look for their obituaries which will give the proper spellings. The 1930 census indicates Michael was naturalized. Check the naturalization records in Philadelphia. Have you looked for the family on Ellis Island. The 1910 census indicates Michael arrived in the U.S. in 1904, however, the 1920 and 1930 censuses indicate 1900. Did Michael and Millie have Social Security Numbers. If so, you can request information from the Social Security Administration. At this point, I don't have any other recommendations. If you want to contact me off list you can email me at csaunders65@gmail.com. Mike

My references tell me the first census was in 1871 and was taken every ten years. The same source says the early censuses were not very useful, identifying only the head of household and giving headcount of other family members. It wasn't until the 20th century the censuses had better information. Bob <Chicad26@aol.com> wrote in message news:144.587ac31e.31607da3@aol.com... > Hello, > > Just a quick question: > > Is there a census in Italy? I found my relatives in the 1930 US census > and > in the 1910. They don't however, seem to exist in the 1920. Being that > the > husband was born in Italy, I thought maybe he had taken them there and > that > would explain why they seem to have "disappeared" for the 1920 census. > > Is there a way to check the Italy census if there is one? If anyone has > it > on CD or has other access, I would really appreciate the help. Here are > the > names just in case: Thanks in advance. > > Michael Agnella/o: would be about 33 in 1920. Born in Italy > Millie/Mildred : wife - would be 32 > Children: Joseph, Angelo, Frank, Mary, Carrie > > Thanks again, > Laura Agnella >

<CAMPBELLCORNERS@aol.com> wrote in message news:2b0.114fc4f.3162a649@aol.com... > Hello > I am looking for anyone with information about Angelina Berendetto. born > Sept. 8, 1893 somewhere in Italy. I can not find her immigration but she ended > up in Elmira Chemung New York. Where she passed away on June 14, 1994.She was > married to Serefeno Notarfonzo. > There is a Angelina listed with a Vito on immigration coming in 1903. but > the age is not correct. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Catherine Mandell Campbell > Could not locate a Beredetto nor Berendetto (you spelled it two ways in your post). There are no surnames like this in the GENS site on the Internet at http://www.gens.labo.net/ Italy phone directory at also has no Beredetto nor Berendetto listings. But there are some Benedetto surnames in the phone directory and at GENS. We could not find Beredetto nor Berendetto at either Ellis Island, nor Castle Garden immigration sites. And there are 1,383 listings of Benedetto at Ellis Island. And we believe we see the Angelina Benedetto that you mention as being not of the right age, 17 instead of an expected 10. Is that correct? And did you just make a typo? Are we correct in assuming that the surname you are searching for is Benedetto? Joe in Texas