On Sat, 20 May 2006 21:41:15 +0100, "FaqMan" <none> wrote: ><amis@kiscica.com> wrote in message >news:1148110405.041184.251080@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> Hi all, >> >You would not be able to acquire citizenship in an EU state without first >meeting the residence requirements. > Except, of course, for those which have no residence requirements. -- Don Aitken Mail to the From: address is not read. To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com"

<amis@kiscica.com> wrote in message news:1148110405.041184.251080@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Hi all, > You would not be able to acquire citizenship in an EU state without first meeting the residence requirements.

>You would not be able to acquire citizenship in an EU state without first >meeting the residence requirements. Hi FaqMan, Do you mean that as a general principle, or specifically under the circumstances I described? Because it certainly isn't true in general. As I mentioned before, I *have* acquired citizenship in an EU state (the UK) without ever residing there, and my wife presumably will soon acquire (or, by my reading, already acquired at birth) Italian citizenship without residing in Italy, either. Of course, both cases were acquisition of citizenship by descent. The question I posed concerned acquisition of citizenship by marriage. Nevertheless, Italian citizenship law as I read it seems to say unambiguously that the spouse of an Italian citizen *residing abroad* may acquire Italian citizenship after 3 years. Note that it also states that only 6 months are required if the couple resides in Italy, so it seems clear that there are no "residency requirements" to acquiring citizenship in this matter. My original question still stands, though, namely: does the above provision apply to the spouse of a newly-recognized Italian citizen by descent -- i.e. can I just, zup, acquire Italian citizenship as soon as my wife gets it, given that we've been married more than three years? And is it a good idea to do so? Amis

Hi all, I've searched a bit but can't find a definitive answer to this -- I wonder if anyone here has faced a similar situation and knows the answer. Here's the background: I have been married for about five years to the daughter of Italian immigrant parents, born (as I was) in the USA in 1968. Only her mother was an Italian citizen at the time of her birth, as her father had already been naturalized as a US citzen. Nevertheless, a review of Italian nationality law makes it unequivocally clear that my wife is entitled to Italian citizenship. In fact, as I understand it, she already *is* legally an Italian citizen, by virtue of having been born to an Italian mother post-1948 and not having renounced her claim to citizenship. The process she must undergo, e.g. to obtain an Italian passport, is more one of "acknowledging" her Italian citizenship than of "acquiring" it. My wife is currently making the necessary application, here in the USA, where we reside. There's no reason to think it will be denied, so she will presumably be recognized as an Italian citizen in the near future. Now, my question is this: as I read the Italian nationality law, the spouse of an Italian citizen residing abroad is entitled to acquire Italian citizenship after three years of marriage. Does "Italian citizen" here also apply to foreign-born persons, such as my wife, who are citizens by descent and have never resided in Italy? In particular, given that the law seems to say that my wife has been Italian since birth, does that mean that (since we've been married more than three years) I could actually apply for Italian citizenship myself, as soon as her citizenship is formally recognized, and without either of us ever actually moving to Italy? It seems somewhat unlikely to me but I can't seem to find anything in the law that would contradict this. If it is in fact possible, can anyone think of any disadvantages, or advantages, to my acquiring Italian citizenship in this way? As I understand it there is no longer compulsory military service (and I'm in my late 30s anyway), so I wouldn't be instantly drafted next time we visit Italy :-) I don't have any familial connection to Italy other than by marriage, though I do speak Italian and love the country. We're not specifically planning to move to Italy at the moment, but it's not out of the question. On the other hand, we have considered moving to (somewhere else in) Europe -- this is part of what prompted my wife to start the ball rolling on her Italian citizenship. However, I myself am already a dual citizen of the US and of another EU country (the United Kingdom, to be specific) so I already have the right to live and work in the EU. In other words, if it is in fact possible for me to acquire Italian citizenship in this way, and I were to do so, I'd end up with three passports, two from EU countries. (Note that the UK is *not* party to the Strasbourg convention limiting multiple citizenships -- I believe one can't be e.g. a citizen of Germany and of Italy at the same time, but otherwise there doesn't seem to be any theoretical bar to dual or even triple citizenship, e.g. USA-UK-Italy in this case.) I just can't see a compelling reason to do this -- on the other hand, I can't see a compelling reason *not to*, and it never hurts to keep one's options open. I tend to operate on the pessimistic assumption that any manner of thing can go wrong in the future and one should seize opportunities even when their significance isn't too clear. Who knows, maybe they'll change the law and require residency in Italy. Maybe, God forbid, the U.K. will withdraw someday from the EU and I'll be glad I have an Italian passport after all. It seems like the process of acquiring citizenship by marriage amounts to a a fair amount of bother and fees here and there, but not so much as to make it not worth doing. I am a little in the dark about the requirement that our marriage be registered in Italy -- would that be satisfied if my wife were to notify the appropriate office that she's married, once her citizenship has been recognized? In sum (whew), - is it *really* possible for me to acquire Italian citizenship in this way? - if so, is there any good reason (other than cost and bother) *not* to do so? - but also, *is there* any good reason (other than "the more, the merrier," which I'm not at all sure applies to nationality :-) to do so? - anything I need to know about the process? I realize I've posted quite a bunch of questions, any enlightenment partial or detailed would be highly appreciated! amis@kiscica.com

Hello i made my tree "Scala" on "genealogie.com". if you go on this site, you can see. they are from sicily. Isabelle "Robert" <r.scala@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 1137788288.913112.12730@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Not long ago I started working on my family tree. Very pleasant work, > but it so happens I no longer live in the same country where my > ancestors immigrated to. That makes my research even more difficult. > At this time I'm trying to find any link to Mr. Luis Eduardo Casares > Scala, who I assume was born in Argentina to Italian parents and later > immigrated to Brazil, where he got married to Amelia da Camara Paradeda > in 1892 and gave birth to Sebastiao Camara Scala in 1894. Amelia died a > few days after she gave birth to their only only child who was given > for adoption and never got to meet his biologial father until he died > in 1977. Because he never met his father, I, his grandson, have no idea > where my real family is and I've been searching either in Brazil and > Argentina, but would like to extend this search to Italy. > Would anybody have any information to provide? Or clues that would lead > me to the right path? Any help is appreciated. > Cheers, > Robert Scala >

Salve a tutti , mi sapete dire se nei database dove sono memorizzati la storia degli antenati e possibile trovare quante persone sono nate il giorni 7 del mese di giugno piuttosto che il giorno 31 del mese di dicembre C' è una classifica dei giorni e mesi in cui sono nate più persone . Grazie a tutti Ciao

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"Dalogi" <dalogi2001@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1147637937.517549.218190@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hi Joe, > > Thanks very much for your help. The links were very helpful. > Thanks > David David, I might not have made myself clear in my last message. I meant to say that Italian phone directory at http://www.infobel.com/italy/ has 7 listings for "Picozzi" in Capistrello, Abruzzo region. And, it also has 36 lisings of Picozzi in Maddaloni, Caserta region. Still, not much help. Joe

Sorry, I mispelt a name in my last post. The man I'm looking for is TOMMASO PICOZZI from Maddaloni, Caserta. Thanks David

Hi Joe, Thanks very much for your help. The links were very helpful. The surname finder website in Italy was fascinating. However, I am having trouble finding any information of a 'Carlo Picozzi' living in Italy in the mid-1800's. I get the feeling that he must have changed his name when he came to England because there is such a lack of records under his name. Also, I think he may have travelled by land across Europe and got a boat from France to England, because I can't find any passenger lists featuring his name either. Anyway, thanks for your help and info, Joe. I'll keep looking to see if anything crops up. Also, if anyone reading this has any information on a man called 'Tomasso Picozzi' living in Maddaloni, Caserta and married in 1840, I would like to hear from them. He may link in somewhere within my ancestry. If anyone knows his children's names I would be very grateful. Thanks David

"Dalogi" <dalogi2001@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1147441478.149981.61380@d71g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > I have recently become very interested in tracking down my Italian > ancestry, but I am needing a little help. > > My ancestor's name is Carlo Picozzi and according to ancestry.com he > was an Italian immigrant who was born in approximately 1845 and married > a woman named Emma Jarvoise in 1875 in England. They had several > children, one being Kate (my great-great grandma). > > I am trying to find out when he originally arrived in England and from > which part of Italy he came from. I've searched various sources on the > internet and I can't seem to find any other records for him. There is a > Camillo Picozzi listed in one Italian source who was born around 1853 > in Capistrello, Abruzzo. I thought maybe this was his original name and > he changed it to Carlo to sound more English, but it may be someone > completely different. > > If anyone has any information about the Picozzi family and their roots, > I would be extremely grateful. Also, if anyone can point me in the > right direction, that too would be a great help. > > Thank you very much for your help. > > David > Not a lot of help, but: This site will show you the current locations in Italy where the Picozzi surname is now located. http://www.gens.labo.net/ It is present in 201 towns. Italian phone directory at http://www.infobel.com/italy/ has 7 listings for Capistrello, Abruzzo region. I am not familiar with what is available on ship lists concerning immigration into England from Europe, that is available either on the Net or in England archives. A more knowledgeable poster on the news group site may be able to help you find where your ancestor came from in Italy. Good luck. Joe in Texas

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I have recently become very interested in tracking down my Italian ancestry, but I am needing a little help. My ancestor's name is Carlo Picozzi and according to ancestry.com he was an Italian immigrant who was born in approximately 1845 and married a woman named Emma Jarvoise in 1875 in England. They had several children, one being Kate (my great-great grandma). I am trying to find out when he originally arrived in England and from which part of Italy he came from. I've searched various sources on the internet and I can't seem to find any other records for him. There is a Camillo Picozzi listed in one Italian source who was born around 1853 in Capistrello, Abruzzo. I thought maybe this was his original name and he changed it to Carlo to sound more English, but it may be someone completely different. If anyone has any information about the Picozzi family and their roots, I would be extremely grateful. Also, if anyone can point me in the right direction, that too would be a great help. Thank you very much for your help. David

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""Sharon West"" <marca@webace.com.au> wrote in message news:006301c671b8$c4ee23a0$2b14fea9@oemcomputer... > I am currently researching the Paganoni family who came from Sondrio, Italy. > I am most interested in Massimo Giovanni Paganoni who was born in 1886. > Massimo married Olimpia Unknown. Can anyone help me to find the parents of > Massimo and his siblings. > > Kindest Regards > Sharon > (West Australia) Italy phone directory at http://www.infobel.com/italy/ on the Internet has 38 listings of Paganoni in Sondrio. Maybe some distant cousins could be of assistance. Good luck. Joe in Texas, USA

<CAMPBELLCORNERS@aol.com> wrote in message news:370.390212a.3190d3ea@aol.com... > Hello All, > I am now researching the Bernado family of Italy the problem I have is I > have no idea where they are from. I am looking for my Great grandmothers family > her name was Angeline, She married Serafino Notarfonzo. Thanks to advice and > direction from this mailing list I found my Notarfonzo's and connected with > relatives from Italy. hoping you all could direct and advise me again. > > Thank you > And god bless > Catherine Italy phone directory shows only 6 Notarfonzo listings for all of Italy. They are in the towns of Campodimele, Latina, and Terracina. There are no Bernardo listings for Campodimele, but there are 10 listings in Latina, and 3 in Terracina. Could Angeline have married someone from her home town in Italy? Was she married in Italy or in the USA? There are many Bernardo listings in Italy, so it would be difficult to trace otherwise. Do you have the immigration or ship information for Angeline? Good luck. Joe in Texas, USA

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Hello All, I am now researching the Bernado family of Italy the problem I have is I have no idea where they are from. I am looking for my Great grandmothers family her name was Angeline, She married Serafino Notarfonzo. Thanks to advice and direction from this mailing list I found my Notarfonzo's and connected with relatives from Italy. hoping you all could direct and advise me again. Thank you And god bless Catherine

On the web site siciliaemporium can find the extra virgin oil P.D.O., typical Sicilian oil: green color with fruity flavour and a soft bitter peppery flavour background render it very good on the salads. You will find a lot of wines of great class, you can choose the most adapted one for every occasion! You will have the opportunity to taste the different varieties of the delicious Etna honey, tha we have selected for you: the tasty millefiori honey, the delicate oak chestnut honey, the delicious orange honey, and many other pleasant characteristic essences of the area. You can also savour the famous cold meats and salami of Nebrodi Mounts prepared for you with the black pork according to Sicily traditions. Directly from the old cheese tradition to your table! Here are the perfumed P.D.O. Sicilian cheeses, you can to savour the exquisite provola ragusana and the palatable pecorino (sheep´milk cheese) with a lot of other delicious local cheeses. www.siciliaemporium.it