Uzytkownik "sisibo" <sisibo@gmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci news:1148306889.878074.220370@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > The only new I have found about the Army of Napoleone Bonaparte is that > from Napoli went in Russia the 4°or 3° Neapolitan Light Regiment.I > have found also an interestig site > http://www:collezioni-f.it/museo/storia1html that is about the > military history of Italy . I'm sorry it is in Italian language. If you > want I will translate for you any pages. Good luck! Marialuisa Thank you, Marialuisa I guess that correct link is: http://www.collezioni-f.it/museo/storia1.html Do you think, that I can find anything about soldiers from 4°or 3° Neapolitan Light Regiment? What is Italian name of the Regiment? Are there any drawings of this unit uniforms? Thank you for help Krzysiek Supera, Poland

"sergio_bianchi" <sergio.bianchi@enaip.va.it> wrote in message news:e4v726$g45$1@fittipaldi.interac.it... > I'm searching for parents of my mother that went in Usa in 24-may-1905 named > Montanaro Angelo. (the second time, the first was before 1898) from Solopaca > (Benevento) > From EllisIsland.org he declare that went to his brother in law Fiorentino > Antonio in GermanTown Pa. > I think that his wife was Montanaro Serafina that went in Usa in 3-may-1902 > to his husband (Angelo) in Philadelphia. > My grandfather Luca Montanaro went for two time in Usa > - 28-jun-1913 to Paterson NJ to his brother Angelo > - 14-feb-1920 to Jersey(?) NJ to his brother Angelo > > I think that Luca had another brother Giuseppe that went in Usa from > Solopaca in > > - 28-oct-1901 to Paterson NJ to his sister in law Piepoli(?) (from > EllisIsland Giuseppe Mondanaro and not Montanaro) > - 4-sep-1912 to Paterson NJ to his brother Angelo (from EllisIsland > Guiseppe and not Giuseppe) > > I find many traces but nobody of their descendants > Sergio B > > USA phone directory at http://www.infobel.com/usa/ has one Montanaro listed for Jersey City, NJ. There are no Montanaro listings for Patterson, NJ. There are, as you say, many Montanaro families (over 300) in the USA, so this particular person would only be a possibility. USA Census shows 1 Montanaro in 1910 and 7 in 1920 in New Jersey. Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year MONTANARO ERMIDIO 48 M W ITAL NJ BERGEN 4-WD ENGLEWOOD 1910 Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year MONTANARO ALFRED 33 M W ITAL NJ ESSEX 7-WD; NEWARK CITY 1920 MONTANARO CHARLES 33 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON 3-WD; JERSEY CITY 1920 MONTANARO FELIX 60 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON 1-WD; UNION CITY 1920 MONTANARO JAMES 35 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON 5-WD; JERSEY CITY 1920 MONTANARO JOS A 38 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON BAYONNE 1920 MONTANARO LOUIS 60 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON 4-WD; HOBOKEN 1920 MONTANARO PAUL 44 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON 5-WD; JERSEY CITY 1920 Only 1 Mandaro listing in census. Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year MANDANARO DONARD 53 M W ITAL IL COOK 19-WD CHICAGO 1920 USA phone directory shows no Mandanaro listings for all of the US. Not a lot of help. but good luck. Joe in Texas

I'm searching for parents of my mother that went in Usa in 24-may-1905 named Montanaro Angelo. (the second time, the first was before 1898) from Solopaca (Benevento) From EllisIsland.org he declare that went to his brother in law Fiorentino Antonio in GermanTown Pa. I think that his wife was Montanaro Serafina that went in Usa in 3-may-1902 to his husband (Angelo) in Philadelphia. My grandfather Luca Montanaro went for two time in Usa - 28-jun-1913 to Paterson NJ to his brother Angelo - 14-feb-1920 to Jersey(?) NJ to his brother Angelo I think that Luca had another brother Giuseppe that went in Usa from Solopaca in - 28-oct-1901 to Paterson NJ to his sister in law Piepoli(?) (from EllisIsland Giuseppe Mondanaro and not Montanaro) - 4-sep-1912 to Paterson NJ to his brother Angelo (from EllisIsland Guiseppe and not Giuseppe) I find many traces but nobody of their descendants Sergio B

Thanks to all for the reply's I received about the Italian military. Joseph DeMarino was born in 1883 which means it was around 1901 when he turned 18. Am I able to write to the military arcives in Italy to get information on him? Does anyone have an address for the arcives? Several members of my family and I are planning on going to Italy in the next few years but before I go, I want the towns where my grandparents lived. I want to walk the same streets, see some of the same things they seen and hope I find family members. I was also told one of my great uncles was a priest in Italy.I have all these little bits of information but nothing to really lead me down the correct path to my family. Thanks again for your replys. Dee in Texas God Bless, Dee --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

Hi Everyone I'm researching the following families: Abolafio/Abolaffio : Venezia from1767, Egypt, Australia Pipito: Venezia Rava': Venezia Mendes: Venezia Sacerdote: Venezia Loris: Venezia Reghedini: Venezia Formenton: ?Venezia, ?Corfu, Egypt (from 1890) Costa: Forgaria nel Friuli, Egypt, Australia Happy to share information - most research done pre internet and by writing many letters. Would love some advice re tracking the Formentons. Having difficulty in locating birth certificate for Theano Formenton, grandmother (in law :-)) who was born in Egypt to Italian parents who are believed to have lived in Corfu prior to living in Egypt. No record of her birth in Venezia, Corfu or Egypt. Her death was registered in Venezia and I have death cert. Her parents were Penelope Pipito and Enrico Formenton. Enrico Formenton was murdered in Egypt, I don't have his death cert. ciao Chris In Western Australia

amis@kiscica.com schrieb: > Yes, my thoughts exactly. I am sort of casting around for a reason why > it would be worth doing. It's just that my instincts whisper "if it's > possible, do it, one never knows how it might be useful in the future," > whereas my rational self says "not worth the bother." Two passports > are definitely better than one, but it's not clear why three would be > better than two. Even if we go live in Italy at some point -- which is > certainly possible -- I'll be able to work there as a UK citizen. Maybe you want to work at esteri.it some day but then check again whether it doesn't hurt your Amerccan citizenship. Regards, ULF

> I think the better question, at least from the outside, is what you think you'll > gain by acquiring Italian citizenship. I have no doubt US law has changed > since I retired from the Consular Service, but actively seeking and accepting > citizenship in a foreign country was one of the sure-fire ways to lose your > American citizenship - and may well still be. I'd strongly suggest you check > with the Bureau of Consular Affairs, US Department of State, Washington, DC, > before you take ANY active measures toward Italian or other nationality - it > might just come back and bite you on the butt. > Currently, actively seeking and acquiring a citizenship in a foreign country will only cause loss of US citizenship if done voluntarily and with the intention of giving up US citizenship. If there is no intention to give up US citizenship then citizenship is not lost. The State Deaprtment has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that US citizens intend to keep their US citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to routine declarations of allegiance to a foreign state, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.

The only new I have found about the Army of Napoleone Bonaparte is that from Napoli went in Russia the 4°or 3° Neapolitan Light Regiment.I have found also an interestig site http://www:collezioni-f.it/museo/storia1html that is about the military history of Italy . I'm sorry it is in Italian language. If you want I will translate for you any pages. Good luck! Marialuisa

The presence of De Marino in Italy is concentrated in Campania (Naples), if you want I can send you a list of them. They are 172 only in that region.Good luck! Maria Luisa

In article <1148263405.448781.103530@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>, "Tuscana" <lady4law@yahoo.com> writes: > Robert, I sorry but I must respectfully disagree with you relative to > our forfeiting our American citizen when we "obtain" our Italian > papers. ("...actively seeking and accepting citizenship in a foreign > country was one of the sure-fire ways to lose your American > citizenship." ) > > This is not correct relative to Italian citizenship by "blood" (as it > is called in Italy.) This is only correct relalitive to a party > actively seeking and obtaining foreign citizenship. The issue with your > statement is; we are not seeking the citizenship. We are already > citizens of Italy. Our "by blood" citizenship exists in Italy, thanks > to our parents. > Yes, I quite understood that aspect - the OP's wife derived Italian citizenship through her parents and had to do nothing other than just "be". Such a situation is not at all unusual. What concerned me was the husband's desire to obtain Italian citizenship and the possiblity he might be jeopardizing his own US citizenship. I recognize that US citizenship law might have changed since I last wore my consular hat, so my concern was more cautionary (you might want to check ...) than otherwise. As it happens, the citizenship laws I administered as a consular officer HAVE changed and it appears that obtaining citizenship in another country is no longer considered an expatriating act. My advice, never- theless, is that the OP should check on the possible pitfalls of seeking and obtaining Italian (or any other) citizenship when he has no "blood right" to it.You might consider that to be a "belt and suspenders (braces)" attitude, but it is far better to appear naive than to wake up one morning and find yourself denied entry and sent back to your place of origin. Respetti, Bob Melson -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule---and both commonly succeed, and are right." ---H. L. Mencken

I have just been told that my grandfather was with the military policeman in the Elite Guard and served in Africa during world war 1. He was born in Italy in 1883 and came to America in 1909-1912. His name was Giuseppe DeMarino. Is there anywhere I can find out this information???? I am trying to find where he originated from in Italy. I'm hoping it I can find this information, I can find the name of the town he and my grandmother was from. Her maiden name was Papis. Any information would certainly help my 10 year search. Thank you. Dee In Texas. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Robert, I sorry but I must respectfully disagree with you relative to our forfeiting our American citizen when we "obtain" our Italian papers. ("...actively seeking and accepting citizenship in a foreign country was one of the sure-fire ways to lose your American citizenship." ) This is not correct relative to Italian citizenship by "blood" (as it is called in Italy.) This is only correct relalitive to a party actively seeking and obtaining foreign citizenship. The issue with your statement is; we are not seeking the citizenship. We are already citizens of Italy. Our "by blood" citizenship exists in Italy, thanks to our parents.

>I agree with your reading of the website, FWIW - but given that you already >have an EU citizenship yourself, and your wife is about to be recognised as >having another, I honestly can't see the point in doing it, TBH, unless you >want to build up to the full set! Yes, my thoughts exactly. I am sort of casting around for a reason why it would be worth doing. It's just that my instincts whisper "if it's possible, do it, one never knows how it might be useful in the future," whereas my rational self says "not worth the bother." Two passports are definitely better than one, but it's not clear why three would be better than two. Even if we go live in Italy at some point -- which is certainly possible -- I'll be able to work there as a UK citizen. I guess when my wife gets her certificate I'll go down to the consulate with her and ask them about it. Amis

Hello I am trying to confirm whether one of my grand-..-grand-fathers was Italian soldier who came to Poland during Moscow campaign 1812. Is there any index of Napoleon Army soldiers from Italy (exactly: Napoli) I would be grateful for any help Krzysiek Supera (Poland)

"Krzysiek Supera" <xdemon@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message news:e4pljh$n9q$1@news.onet.pl... > Hello > I am trying to confirm whether one of my grand-..-grand-fathers was Italian > soldier who came to Poland during Moscow campaign 1812. > > Is there any index of Napoleon Army soldiers from Italy (exactly: Napoli) > > I would be grateful for any help > > Krzysiek Supera (Poland) > > > Italy phone directory at http://www.infobel.com/italy/ shows no Supera listings for all of Italy. Italy phone directory at http://www.paginebianche.it/index.html shows one Supera listing for all of Italy. Supera Srl 80013 Casalnuovo Di Napoli (NA) - Via Napoli, 125 081 6588320 . 081 6588319 . 081 6588333 Possibly a distant cousin? Ellis Island Immigration records at http://www.ellisisland.org show four listings of Supera. Two show to be from Italy, Palermo and Marineo. Exact Matches (4) Name of Passenger Residence Arrived Age on Arrival Passenger Record Ship Manifest Ship Image 1. Antonino Supera Palermo 1907 28 2. Bernard Supera Golat, France 1911 24 3. Rocco Supera Cleveland 1910 25 4. Santa Supera Marineo 1903 22 Good luck. Joe in Texas

|| || My original question still stands, though, namely: does the above || provision apply to the spouse of a newly-recognized Italian citizen || by descent -- i.e. can I just, zup, acquire Italian citizenship as || soon as my wife gets it, given that we've been married more than || three years? And is it a good idea to do so? || || Amis I agree with your reading of the website, FWIW - but given that you already have an EU citizenship yourself, and your wife is about to be recognised as having another, I honestly can't see the point in doing it, TBH, unless you want to build up to the full set! paul.

Robert Melson wrote: || In article <4da0lgF1949fbU1@individual.net>, || "P Pron" <paulatspambegone.pron@tiscali.co.uk> writes: ||| Robert Melson wrote: || <snip> ||||| I think the better question, at least from the outside, is what ||||| you think you'll gain by acquiring Italian citizenship. I have ||||| no doubt US law has changed since I retired from the Consular ||||| Service, but actively seeking and accepting citizenship in a ||||| foreign country was one of the sure-fire ways to lose your ||||| American citizenship - and may well still be. I'd strongly ||||| suggest you check with the Bureau || || <snip>> ||| Things *have* changed, Bob - acquisition of a foreign citizenship ||| is no longer regarded as "an expatriating act", as it was in the ||| past... ||| ||| paul ||| ||| || || I have to admit I haven't kept up with citizenship law since I || retired - no reason to do so. Can you tell me when that change went || into effect? Reply to my email address (reply to:) if you prefer. || I _am_ curious. || || Bob Melson It was a lot longer ago than I thought!! http://www.richw.org/dualcit/faq.html#noway has the details.... rgds Paul

In article <4da5riF19i65lU1@individual.net>, "P Pron" <paulatspambegone.pron@tiscali.co.uk> writes: <snip> > It was a lot longer ago than I thought!! > http://www.richw.org/dualcit/faq.html#noway has the details.... > rgds > > Paul > > Hmmm. Interesting. Thanks. Bob -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule---and both commonly succeed, and are right." ---H. L. Mencken

Robert Melson wrote: || In article <1148176003.548917.244170@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, || amis@kiscica.com writes: || || <snip> || ||| My original question still stands, though, namely: does the above ||| provision apply to the spouse of a newly-recognized Italian citizen ||| by descent -- i.e. can I just, zup, acquire Italian citizenship as ||| soon as my wife gets it, given that we've been married more than ||| three years? And is it a good idea to do so? ||| ||| Amis ||| || || I think the better question, at least from the outside, is what you || think you'll gain by acquiring Italian citizenship. I have no doubt || US law has changed since I retired from the Consular Service, but || actively seeking and accepting citizenship in a foreign country was || one of the sure-fire ways to lose your American citizenship - and || may well still be. I'd strongly suggest you check with the Bureau || of Consular Affairs, US Department of State, Washington, DC, before || you take ANY active measures toward Italian or other nationality - || it might just come back and bite you on the butt. || || On the other hand, if you WANT to give up your US citizenship, || that's an entirely different matter. But if that's the case, be || aware that, as a foreign national, you will need a visa to enter the || country, be limited as to how long you can legally stay, and face a || whole range of inconveniences. Yeah, yeah, I know, the || "undocumented workers" (PC for illegal aliens) are here in huge || numbers, but would _you_ want to be part of an immigration roundup || and be shipped back to Italy with no hope of re-entry into the US? || Something to think about. || || Bob Melson || || || -- || Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas || ----- || Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to || trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule---and both || commonly succeed, and are right." ---H. L. Mencken Things *have* changed, Bob - acquisition of a foreign citizenship is no longer regarded as "an expatriating act", as it was in the past... paul

Don Aitken wrote: || On Sat, 20 May 2006 21:41:15 +0100, "FaqMan" <none> wrote: || ||| <amis@kiscica.com> wrote in message ||| news:1148110405.041184.251080@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... |||| Hi all, |||| ||| You would not be able to acquire citizenship in an EU state without ||| first meeting the residence requirements. ||| || Except, of course, for those which have no residence requirements. And the website of the Italian Consulate in New York has the following - as OP (if not FaqMan) is doubtless already aware: "APPLICATION FOR ACQUISITION OF ITALIAN CITIZENSHIP BY MARRIAGE TO AN ITALIAN CITIZEN (Art. 5, L. n. 91/1992) The foreign spouse of an Italian citizen may apply for Italian citizenship after 6 months of marriage if they reside in Italy and after 3 years of marriage if they reside abroad. By law, after the application is submitted, the Ministry of Interiors has 2 years of time to issue a decree either granting citizenship or denying it....." http://www.italconsulnyc.org/Cittadinanza_inglese.htm paul