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My great grand father came over from Italy in 1892 when Ellis Island was brand new. Did he have to bring any papers with him in order to be processed? I know the W.O.P. stories but were the immigrants required to have any documentation? This came up in an argument about the illegal immigrants here now i.e. "how were your people any different that the ones coming now?" The only answer that I have is that my people came legally, without knowing were they just let in or did they "formally" immigrate, with documents etc. What was the exact requirement for paperwork in 1892? Anybody know?

"Voss5" ha scritto: > If all men had to serve in the Military, would there be an exception if they > went to the Monastery? Also, are there military records available and if so > how would you go about getting them? What year did the Italian Government > cease requiring all young men join the military? > Gayla > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sisibo" <sisibo@gmail.com> > To: <GEN-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: Italian Military Not all the young man have to serve in the military, the exceptions are: churchman (they go in war like chaplain), sons of widows, man with thorax too slim, man with stature inferior to 1,50m.). The age to be able is 18, but in the past times it could be possible to be younger.The address to contact the Archives of the three Army in Italy, you can find here.http://www.scriptamanent.net/scripta/public/dettaglioNewsCategoria.jsp?ID=1001373 if you have problem with italian language, I can help you. Bye Marialuisa

Dee ha scritto: > Thanks to all for the reply's I received about the Italian military. Joseph DeMarino was born in 1883 which means it was around 1901 when he turned 18. Am I able to write to the military arcives in Italy to get information on him? Does anyone have an address for the arcives? > Several members of my family and I are planning on going to Italy in the next few years but before I go, I want the towns where my grandparents lived. I want to walk the same streets, see some of the same things they seen and hope I find family members. > I was also told one of my great uncles was a priest in Italy.I have all these little bits of information but nothing to really lead me down the correct path to my family. > Thanks again for your replys. > Dee in Texas > > > God Bless, > Dee > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Dear Dee, here an interesting address for you, I hope you can understand Italian language.If you don't write me that I can make a translation for you. Marialuisa http://www.scriptamanent.net/scripta/public/dettaglioNewsCategoria.jsp?ID=1001373

Hello All those that build family trees forget that there is also associated real estate left behind. The Colarusso family has recently ordered title reports listing some of them. The property title holders are the Musocco family. Anthony Alioto www.italianlaw.net San Francisco Nicky wrote: > Hi > I am looking for information on Colarusso and Pollutro both from the > Region of Molise, province of Isernia in the town of Frosolone. > Thank you > Nicolas > ncolarusso@gmail.com

Hello The subject of dual citizenship is a subject we address daily. You may wish to write to us via our web site below. Sonia Alioto ITALIAN LEGAL LANGUAGE SERVICES www.italianlaw.net San Francisco, CA amis@kiscica.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I've searched a bit but can't find a definitive answer to this -- I > wonder if anyone here has faced a similar situation and knows the > answer. > > Here's the background: I have been married for about five years to the > daughter of Italian immigrant parents, born (as I was) in the USA in > 1968. Only her mother was an Italian citizen at the time of her birth, > as her father had already been naturalized as a US citzen. > Nevertheless, a review of Italian nationality law makes it > unequivocally clear that my wife is entitled to Italian citizenship. In > fact, as I understand it, she already *is* legally an Italian citizen, > by virtue of having been born to an Italian mother post-1948 and not > having renounced her claim to citizenship. The process she must > undergo, e.g. to obtain an Italian passport, is more one of > "acknowledging" her Italian citizenship than of "acquiring" it. > > My wife is currently making the necessary application, here in the USA, > where we reside. There's no reason to think it will be denied, so she > will presumably be recognized as an Italian citizen in the near future. > > Now, my question is this: as I read the Italian nationality law, the > spouse of an Italian citizen residing abroad is entitled to acquire > Italian citizenship after three years of marriage. Does "Italian > citizen" here also apply to foreign-born persons, such as my wife, who > are citizens by descent and have never resided in Italy? In > particular, given that the law seems to say that my wife has been > Italian since birth, does that mean that (since we've been married more > than three years) I could actually apply for Italian citizenship > myself, as soon as her citizenship is formally recognized, and without > either of us ever actually moving to Italy? > > It seems somewhat unlikely to me but I can't seem to find anything in > the law that would contradict this. > > If it is in fact possible, can anyone think of any disadvantages, or > advantages, to my acquiring Italian citizenship in this way? As I > understand it there is no longer compulsory military service (and I'm > in my late 30s anyway), so I wouldn't be instantly drafted next time we > visit Italy :-) I don't have any familial connection to Italy other > than by marriage, though I do speak Italian and love the country. > > We're not specifically planning to move to Italy at the moment, but > it's not out of the question. On the other hand, we have considered > moving to (somewhere else in) Europe -- this is part of what prompted > my wife to start the ball rolling on her Italian citizenship. However, > I myself am already a dual citizen of the US and of another EU country > (the United Kingdom, to be specific) so I already have the right to > live and work in the EU. > > In other words, if it is in fact possible for me to acquire Italian > citizenship in this way, and I were to do so, I'd end up with three > passports, two from EU countries. (Note that the UK is *not* party to > the Strasbourg convention limiting multiple citizenships -- I believe > one can't be e.g. a citizen of Germany and of Italy at the same time, > but otherwise there doesn't seem to be any theoretical bar to dual or > even triple citizenship, e.g. USA-UK-Italy in this case.) > > I just can't see a compelling reason to do this -- on the other hand, I > can't see a compelling reason *not to*, and it never hurts to keep > one's options open. I tend to operate on the pessimistic assumption > that any manner of thing can go wrong in the future and one should > seize opportunities even when their significance isn't too clear. Who > knows, maybe they'll change the law and require residency in Italy. > Maybe, God forbid, the U.K. will withdraw someday from the EU and I'll > be glad I have an Italian passport after all. > > It seems like the process of acquiring citizenship by marriage amounts > to a a fair amount of bother and fees here and there, but not so much > as to make it not worth doing. I am a little in the dark about the > requirement that our marriage be registered in Italy -- would that be > satisfied if my wife were to notify the appropriate office that she's > married, once her citizenship has been recognized? > > In sum (whew), > > - is it *really* possible for me to acquire Italian citizenship in this > way? > - if so, is there any good reason (other than cost and bother) *not* to > do so? > - but also, *is there* any good reason (other than "the more, the > merrier," which I'm not at all sure applies to nationality :-) to do > so? > - anything I need to know about the process? > > I realize I've posted quite a bunch of questions, any enlightenment > partial or detailed would be highly appreciated! > > amis@kiscica.com

On Sun, 21 May 2006 04:47:56 +0100, "P Pron" <paulatspambegone.pron@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >|| >|| My original question still stands, though, namely: does the above >|| provision apply to the spouse of a newly-recognized Italian citizen >|| by descent -- i.e. can I just, zup, acquire Italian citizenship as >|| soon as my wife gets it, given that we've been married more than >|| three years? And is it a good idea to do so? >|| >|| Amis > >I agree with your reading of the website, FWIW - but given that you already >have an EU citizenship yourself, and your wife is about to be recognised as >having another, I honestly can't see the point in doing it, TBH, unless you >want to build up to the full set! > The current situation regarding free movement of labour in the EU may not last for ever. Also, an Italian citizen in Italy may have a few more rights than a citizen of another EU state, eg voting. A downside of taking out Italian citizenship is that one would lose the right to British consular protection, which may be an issue if one cannot speak the language.

"Nicky" <ncolarusso@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1149035948.925672.30620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Hi > I am looking for information on Colarusso and Pollutro both from the > Region of Molise, province of Isernia in the town of Frosolone. > Thank you > Nicolas > ncolarusso@gmail.com > Italy phone directory on the Internet at http://www.infobel.com/italy/ has 28 Colarusso listings, and 9 Pollutro listings in Frosolone. Maybe a few letters to some of your distant cousins would be of some help. Good luck on your search. Joe in Texas

Hi I am looking for information on Colarusso and Pollutro both from the Region of Molise, province of Isernia in the town of Frosolone. Thank you Nicolas ncolarusso@gmail.com

If all men had to serve in the Military, would there be an exception if they went to the Monastery? Also, are there military records available and if so how would you go about getting them? What year did the Italian Government cease requiring all young men join the military? Gayla ----- Original Message ----- From: "sisibo" <sisibo@gmail.com> To: <GEN-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Italian Military

doggiemom wrote: > "Tuscana" <lady4law@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1148263405.448781.103530@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > > Robert, I sorry but I must respectfully disagree with you relative to > > our forfeiting our American citizen when we "obtain" our Italian > > papers. ("...actively seeking and accepting citizenship in a foreign > > country was one of the sure-fire ways to lose your American > > citizenship." ) > > > > This is not correct relative to Italian citizenship by "blood" (as it > > is called in Italy.) This is only correct relalitive to a party > > actively seeking and obtaining foreign citizenship. The issue with your > > statement is; we are not seeking the citizenship. We are already > > citizens of Italy. Our "by blood" citizenship exists in Italy, thanks > > to our parents. > > Don't mean to butt in, but since I am in the process of obtaining dual > citizenship, and you are > exactly correct. The dual citizenship is one Italy confers by virtue of the > citizenship status of a parent. I looked at this very question very > carefully. My dad held dual citizenship by virtue of having been born prior > to his father becoming a naturalized citizen. He never did anything with > that dual status but it passed on to us. You must actively do something to > renounce your American citizenship before dual status becomes an issue. As a > matter of US law, you do not lose your American citizenship unless you vote > in a foreign election, VOLUNTEER to serve under the flag of another country > or pledge allegence to another government. Even if you live in a foreign > country and are drafted into the military service of that country, you do > not necessarily endanger your American citizenship. If you are entitled to > dual citizenship under the laws of another country by virtue of birth > (blood), you may hold that dual status provided you do not do any of the > three things listed above. You might be interested to know that actress, > Marissa Tomei, holds dual citizenship (US/Italian) and chooses to travel > under a Sicilian passport. > > Nanci Cosentino > Sicilian Heritage Society > > Researching: Cosentino, Patti, Militti, Mangiamelli "Sicilian" passport ??? and what would that be ... ?

If your grandfather was gone in America in 1909-1912 he didn't served in Africa in the first world war. Probabily he went in Africa during the Abissinian Campaign that began about 1884 since 1914 when began the 1°world war. In those years (1885-1909) in Abissinia there were a company of Carabiniers that we can define Elite Guard or military policemam. I have seen in the site of Carabinieri.it the history of that arm.Sorry the site is in italian language. If you want I can help you and translate it.bye Marialuisa

asna@archivi.beniculturali.it http://www.comune.napoli.it/flex/cm/pages/ServeBLOB.php/L/IT/IDPagina/1355 These e-mail are those of Comune di Napoli for the historical archives . I don't know if they can help you but there's no harm in trying. Bye Marialuisa

doggiemom wrote: > "Tuscana" <lady4law@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1148263405.448781.103530@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > > Robert, I sorry but I must respectfully disagree with you relative to > > our forfeiting our American citizen when we "obtain" our Italian > > papers. ("...actively seeking and accepting citizenship in a foreign > > country was one of the sure-fire ways to lose your American > > citizenship." ) > > > > This is not correct relative to Italian citizenship by "blood" (as it > > is called in Italy.) This is only correct relalitive to a party > > actively seeking and obtaining foreign citizenship. The issue with your > > statement is; we are not seeking the citizenship. We are already > > citizens of Italy. Our "by blood" citizenship exists in Italy, thanks > > to our parents. > > Don't mean to butt in, but since I am in the process of obtaining dual > citizenship, and you are > exactly correct. The dual citizenship is one Italy confers by virtue of the > citizenship status of a parent. I looked at this very question very > carefully. My dad held dual citizenship by virtue of having been born prior > to his father becoming a naturalized citizen. He never did anything with > that dual status but it passed on to us. You must actively do something to > renounce your American citizenship before dual status becomes an issue. As a > matter of US law, you do not lose your American citizenship unless you vote > in a foreign election, Voting in a foreign election was removed from the list of actions that may cause loss of citizenship in 1978, as part of Public Law 99-653: see the following: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d095:hr1334 > VOLUNTEER to serve under the flag of another country > or pledge allegence to another government. Volunteering to serve in a foreign military or pledging aleciance to another government/country MAY cause loss of US citizenship, but only if done with the intention of giving up US citizenship. If the person has the intention of keeping US citizenship then it is not lost. The onus is on the State Department to prove that the person's intention was to relinquish US citizenship. In fact, the State Department's administrative standard is that a person who performs one of the acts mentioned does so with the intention of keeping their US citizenship. So in fact, it's very difficult to lose US citizenship. You have to have the intention of giving it up.

"Tuscana" <lady4law@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1148263405.448781.103530@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > Robert, I sorry but I must respectfully disagree with you relative to > our forfeiting our American citizen when we "obtain" our Italian > papers. ("...actively seeking and accepting citizenship in a foreign > country was one of the sure-fire ways to lose your American > citizenship." ) > > This is not correct relative to Italian citizenship by "blood" (as it > is called in Italy.) This is only correct relalitive to a party > actively seeking and obtaining foreign citizenship. The issue with your > statement is; we are not seeking the citizenship. We are already > citizens of Italy. Our "by blood" citizenship exists in Italy, thanks > to our parents. Don't mean to butt in, but since I am in the process of obtaining dual citizenship, and you are exactly correct. The dual citizenship is one Italy confers by virtue of the citizenship status of a parent. I looked at this very question very carefully. My dad held dual citizenship by virtue of having been born prior to his father becoming a naturalized citizen. He never did anything with that dual status but it passed on to us. You must actively do something to renounce your American citizenship before dual status becomes an issue. As a matter of US law, you do not lose your American citizenship unless you vote in a foreign election, VOLUNTEER to serve under the flag of another country or pledge allegence to another government. Even if you live in a foreign country and are drafted into the military service of that country, you do not necessarily endanger your American citizenship. If you are entitled to dual citizenship under the laws of another country by virtue of birth (blood), you may hold that dual status provided you do not do any of the three things listed above. You might be interested to know that actress, Marissa Tomei, holds dual citizenship (US/Italian) and chooses to travel under a Sicilian passport. Nanci Cosentino Sicilian Heritage Society Researching: Cosentino, Patti, Militti, Mangiamelli

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Hi Dee, Regarding your grandmother, Papis (with a final s) seems to be a typical northern surname, check here: 92 Papis, that is 89,32% of the Papis on the Italian phonebook, live in Lombardia, a northern region. <http://elenco.libero.it/elenco/regioni.jsp?cognome=papis

Hi Dee, Regarding your grandmother, Papis (with a final s) seems to be a typical northern surname, check here: 92 Papis, that is 89,32% of the Papis on the Italian phonebook, live in Lombardia, a northern region. <http://elenco.libero.it/elenco/regioni.jsp?cognome=papis

Hello Dee, As far as I understand the name Papis is a Greek name. In the past as you may know the whole southern part of Italian peninsula including Sicily was part of Greece. Still today in few isolated villages in southern Italy habitants speak this ancient greek based dialect. G > I have just been told that my grandfather was with the military > policeman in the Elite Guard and served in Africa during world war 1. > He was born in Italy in 1883 and came to America in 1909-1912. > His name was Giuseppe DeMarino. > Is there anywhere I can find out this information???? I am trying to > find where he originated from in Italy. > I'm hoping it I can find this information, I can find the name of > the town he and my grandmother was from. Her maiden name was Papis. > Any information would certainly help my 10 year search. > Thank you. > Dee In Texas. > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Thank you Joe but nobody of these Montanaro are correct. I am shipwrecked and I write a message in the bottle. I think that Montanaro lived in Pensilvanya or NY, if in NJ don't appare I am trying By Sergio "Joe Pessarra" <joepessarra@cox.net> ha scritto nel messaggio news:QCPcg.450$f76.435@dukeread06... > > "sergio_bianchi" <sergio.bianchi@enaip.va.it> wrote in message > news:e4v726$g45$1@fittipaldi.interac.it... >> I'm searching for parents of my mother that went in Usa in 24-may-1905 > named >> Montanaro Angelo. (the second time, the first was before 1898) from > Solopaca >> (Benevento) >> From EllisIsland.org he declare that went to his brother in law >> Fiorentino >> Antonio in GermanTown Pa. >> I think that his wife was Montanaro Serafina that went in Usa in > 3-may-1902 >> to his husband (Angelo) in Philadelphia. >> My grandfather Luca Montanaro went for two time in Usa >> - 28-jun-1913 to Paterson NJ to his brother Angelo >> - 14-feb-1920 to Jersey(?) NJ to his brother Angelo >> >> I think that Luca had another brother Giuseppe that went in Usa from >> Solopaca in >> >> - 28-oct-1901 to Paterson NJ to his sister in law Piepoli(?) (from >> EllisIsland Giuseppe Mondanaro and not Montanaro) >> - 4-sep-1912 to Paterson NJ to his brother Angelo (from EllisIsland >> Guiseppe and not Giuseppe) >> >> I find many traces but nobody of their descendants >> Sergio B >> >> > > USA phone directory at http://www.infobel.com/usa/ has one Montanaro > listed > for Jersey City, NJ. There are no Montanaro listings for Patterson, NJ. > There are, as you say, many Montanaro families (over 300) in the USA, so > this particular person would only be a possibility. > > USA Census shows 1 Montanaro in 1910 and 7 in 1920 in New Jersey. > > Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location > Year > > MONTANARO ERMIDIO 48 M W ITAL NJ BERGEN 4-WD ENGLEWOOD 1910 > > > Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location > Year > > MONTANARO ALFRED 33 M W ITAL NJ ESSEX 7-WD; NEWARK CITY 1920 > > MONTANARO CHARLES 33 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON 3-WD; JERSEY CITY 1920 > > MONTANARO FELIX 60 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON 1-WD; UNION CITY 1920 > > MONTANARO JAMES 35 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON 5-WD; JERSEY CITY 1920 > > MONTANARO JOS A 38 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON BAYONNE 1920 > > MONTANARO LOUIS 60 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON 4-WD; HOBOKEN 1920 > > MONTANARO PAUL 44 M W ITAL NJ HUDSON 5-WD; JERSEY CITY 1920 > > Only 1 Mandaro listing in census. > > Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location > Year > > MANDANARO DONARD 53 M W ITAL IL COOK 19-WD CHICAGO 1920 > > USA phone directory shows no Mandanaro listings for all of the US. > > Not a lot of help. but good luck. > > Joe in Texas > > >