Can someone tell me what "I tuoi cari" means on a tombstone?

LadyJaneDemure@aol.com ha scritto: > Hello All > > > I have a WW II Draft Registration for a Francesco Vellucci his Place of > Birth and it's listed as S.S. Cosmo E Domian, I did a google search and came up > with an ancient Roman Church, is there a town by that name, I didn't find one > when I did the search??? ? I also looked on a web page that listed Italian > towns and I couldn't find one with that name??? Would appreciated if anyone > would advise if there is a town of that name and or about S. S. Cosmo E > Domian. Thanks!!! > > Regards > Jane The correct name of this town is SS.COSMA E DAMIANO it's in the province of Latina Lazio. Good luck from Italy Marialuisa

I wanted to pass along a link that I think many people in this newsgroup will find useful: http://gens.labo.net/it/cognomi/genera.html If you type in your lastname in the box labeled "Cognome" then click on the red arrow next to the box, the site will show you the distribution of your lastname throughout Italy. You may also zoom in on a particular region.

Hello All I have a WW II Draft Registration for a Francesco Vellucci his Place of Birth and it's listed as S.S. Cosmo E Domian, I did a google search and came up with an ancient Roman Church, is there a town by that name, I didn't find one when I did the search??? ? I also looked on a web page that listed Italian towns and I couldn't find one with that name??? Would appreciated if anyone would advise if there is a town of that name and or about S. S. Cosmo E Domian. Thanks!!! Regards Jane

Bob Greene ha scritto: > Does anyone have any intelligent opinion to share about the Italian > referendum June 25-26 on Part II of the Italian Constitution? > My knowledge of Italian is still a little limited, and I am trying to make > sense of the issues before voting. > Grazie, > Bob Verdi I don't know if my opinion is intelligent or not, I am Italian and I know that I will vote NO because our constitution has to be modified not changed. If you vote SI the power will be only of a person (the first minister) and the President will not have any power. This Referendum was wanted from Mr:Berlusconi, who not satisfied to have constructed lows for himself,( he was able to hush up many financial scandals) wanted also become the only one to take decisions for all the Italians. I am 60 and I live in a beautiful country, and I want live here in a country not in a multinational company full of debits. If you love Italy, please vote NO: tankyou

Il modo più veloce è andare all'archivio del comune di Terlizzi e farsi rilasciare un estratto contenente i membri del nucleo famigliare di Alessandro Colasanto. In comune hanno tutto :)

Cerco notizie su famiglia (numerosa) di Colasanto Giuseppe di Alessandro nato a Terlizzi (Ba) nel 1888 . Grazie :) Fabio Parri ha scritto: > Giuseppe ha scritto: > > Colasanto Giuseppe nato a Terlizzi 1888 > > Ciao, come possiamo aiutarti? :)

"Bob Greene" <bobverdi55@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a8c78$448c7d6e$c644a670$7290@PSHIFT.COM... > Does anyone have any intelligent opinion to share about the Italian > referendum June 25-26 on Part II of the Italian Constitution? > My knowledge of Italian is still a little limited, and I am trying to make > sense of the issues before voting. > Grazie, > Bob Verdi > > Have you tried posting this to soc.culture.italian news group? You might get more than you want, I am not familiar with it. Have only looked at it occasionally some years ago. Joe in Texas, USA

What is the source, please, of your statement that: "... The U.S.government will normally not grant a security clearance to a person who has gone out of his/her away to acquire another citizenship, even if the country is an ally." I find this hard to believe as a matter of policy, and hard to understand what "going out of his/her way" means. Any clarification and/or reference to the source of your info would be greatly appreciated. Bob Verdi

Does anyone have any intelligent opinion to share about the Italian referendum June 25-26 on Part II of the Italian Constitution? My knowledge of Italian is still a little limited, and I am trying to make sense of the issues before voting. Grazie, Bob Verdi

Bob Greene wrote: > What is the source, please, of your statement that: > "... The U.S.government will normally not grant a security clearance to a > person who > has gone out of his/her away to acquire another citizenship, even if > the country is an ally." > > I find this hard to believe as a matter of policy, and hard to understand > what "going out of his/her way" means. > Any clarification and/or reference to the source of your info would be > greatly appreciated. > Bob Verdi "Going out of his/her way" means that a person has actively sought another citizenship, as opposed to simply being a citizen of another country by birth without applying for it. However, even passive dual citizenship may be viewed as being disqualifying by the U.S. government. Here's some general information on the subject from http://www.expatsinitaly.com/citizenship/sec_clearence.htm "Although the U.S. does not forbid dual citizenship, and court cases over the last quarter-century have established its legality, being or becoming a dual citizen can affect your ability to acquire or maintain a security clearance. Some recent cases highlight the difficulties for those having or wanting dual citizenship while working on military projects for defense contractors: U.S./Italian Dual Cit. 1, U.S./Italian Dual Cit. 2, U.S./Italian Dual Cit. 3. (Also, note that the Foreign Service does not provide diplomatic privileges and immunities for dual nationals: U.S. Dept. of State, AFSA). Of particular concern, it may not even be necessary to actually acquire dual citizenship. If the government can simply show intent, that may be enough to refuse or discontinue an individual's security clearance. So, someone hoping to land a government or defense job some day might not want to pursue this path until they had decided otherwise, or had finished their tour of government employment. This issue does not that the other country is hostile to the U.S. A security clearance can be denied even if the second citizenship is with a country 'friendly' to the U.S.: the government protects classified information from anyone not authorized to receive it, regardless of whether that person, organization, or nation has interests opposed to those of the United States." Here's a specific example of a denial: http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/01-06327.h1.html

Bob Greene wrote: > What is the source, please, of your statement that: > "... The U.S.government will normally not grant a security clearance to a > person who > has gone out of his/her away to acquire another citizenship, even if > the country is an ally." > > I find this hard to believe as a matter of policy, and hard to understand > what "going out of his/her way" means. > Any clarification and/or reference to the source of your info would be > greatly appreciated. > Bob Verdi "Going out of his/her way" means that a person has actively sought another citizenship, as opposed to simply being a citizen of another country by birth without applying for it. However, even passive dual citizenship may be viewed as being disqualifying by the U.S. government. Here's some general information on the subject from http://www.expatsinitaly.com/citizenship/sec_clearence.htm "Although the U.S. does not forbid dual citizenship, and court cases over the last quarter-century have established its legality, being or becoming a dual citizen can affect your ability to acquire or maintain a security clearance. Some recent cases highlight the difficulties for those having or wanting dual citizenship while working on military projects for defense contractors: U.S./Italian Dual Cit. 1, U.S./Italian Dual Cit. 2, U.S./Italian Dual Cit. 3. (Also, note that the Foreign Service does not provide diplomatic privileges and immunities for dual nationals: U.S. Dept. of State, AFSA). Of particular concern, it may not even be necessary to actually acquire dual citizenship. If the government can simply show intent, that may be enough to refuse or discontinue an individual's security clearance. So, someone hoping to land a government or defense job some day might not want to pursue this path until they had decided otherwise, or had finished their tour of government employment. This issue does not that the other country is hostile to the U.S. A security clearance can be denied even if the second citizenship is with a country 'friendly' to the U.S.: the government protects classified information from anyone not authorized to receive it, regardless of whether that person, organization, or nation has interests opposed to those of the United States." Here's a specific example of a denial: http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/01-06327.h1.html

Cool thanks - that makes sense. I will write to them and see how that goes. Thanks everyone for your help. Reyna in Florida :o) "Joe Pessarra" <joepessarra@cox.net> wrote in message news:y1Fig.6414$f76.322@dukeread06... > > "Reyna J Thomas" <newbeginnings5@adelphia.net> wrote in message > news:q9CdnQZ1F-yCjxbZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@adelphia.com... >> Ok so to write to those people I just have to copy the address as it is >> written there?? I don't see a zip/postal code? >> > > Fabio sent you a good set of addresses. Here is the first one. > > CALOVI BRUNO > 20, C. QUATTRO NOVEMBRE > 38016 MEZZOCORONA (TN) > tel 0461605089 > > The postal code goes before the town in most European countries. In this > case, it is 38016. Okay? > > Good luck on your letters. > > Joe in Texas > >

Ok so to write to those people I just have to copy the address as it is written there?? I don't see a zip/postal code? And the web pages are all in italian. Is there a way to translate web pages into english or something. I really need to learn italian and german. "Fabio Parri" <noaddress@noaddress.not> wrote in message news:e6b86k$r5j$1@nntp.aioe.org... > Hi Reyna, > > Don't even mention it. I was glad I could help, being a researcher myself > :) > If you need a translation to Italian, I'd be more than willing to help, as > will others here on the newsgroup, I guess. > > If I were you, I'd write a letter to all those phone book addresses I gave > you. I'm pretty confident there are relatives of yours among them. > Mezzocorona is quite a small place nowadays, and it was even smaller when > your ancestor was born. I don't have exact figures for 1890, but in 1921 > it had only 3.142 inhabitants. (see: > http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezzocorona) > > Later, > Fabio > > Reyna J Thomas ha scritto: >> THANK YOU SOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!! >> That is a lot of great information. What a great day!! I just received >> his death certificate from Manchester CT. But unfortunately it did not >> list his parents name. But I have day of death. All I had before was a >> month and year. Plus I know how he died what he did before died. >> >> I am so very very appreciative of the information you sent me. Wait >> until my dad hears. Now if I only knew how to write in Italian so I >> could request copies of records that would be awesome. But again I thank >> you from the bottom of my heart.

"Reyna J Thomas" <newbeginnings5@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:q9CdnQZ1F-yCjxbZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@adelphia.com... > Ok so to write to those people I just have to copy the address as it is > written there?? I don't see a zip/postal code? > Fabio sent you a good set of addresses. Here is the first one. CALOVI BRUNO 20, C. QUATTRO NOVEMBRE 38016 MEZZOCORONA (TN) tel 0461605089 The postal code goes before the town in most European countries. In this case, it is 38016. Okay? Good luck on your letters. Joe in Texas

amis@kiscica.com wrote: (snipped) - is it *really* possible for me to acquire Italian citizenship in this way? - if so, is there any good reason (other than cost and bother) *not* to do so? - but also, *is there* any good reason (other than "the more, the merrier," which I'm not at all sure applies to nationality :-) to do so? - anything I need to know about the process? As P Pron wrote, yes, it is possible to acquire Italian citizenship through your wife after 3 years of marriage (which you've already exceeded). The process involves registering your marriage in Italy in the same town/city where your wife is in the process of registering her birth. In fact, this step may already have been completed as part of your wife's registration. After that, you complete a form from the consulate in which you formally apply. I think you need to include a police report stating that you have no major convictions on your record. In any case, the consulate will guide you on that. It is *incorrect* information that you will lose your U.S. citizenship by accepting others. This is only the case if you *intend* to give up your U.S. citizenship, which, nowadays, means actually signing a form renouncing it. The only downside that I know about in relation to a U.S. citizen accepting Italian citizenship (apart from conscription, which ends in Italy next year) is in terms of security clearances. The U.S. government will normally not grant a security clearance to a person who has gone out of his/her away to acquire another citizenship, even if the country is an ally.

There is no difference, and if you are arguing that people are not entitled to try to better themselves by leaving their homes and families behind to come and work in the United States because they cannot survive in their own home town, then shame on you, particularly if you are descended from Italian immigrants. Italians populated many other countries in the world in the late 19th and early 20th centuries because they were starving at home, and they wanted to make a better life. Good for them. The majority of them walked there, or worked passage on ships. Some people may have had passports, but the vast majority did not. The United States is one of the nations that is built on the back on immigrants of all races. It is shameful to close the doors now and deny others the chance. IMO. ______________________________> X-Message: #5 > Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:04:36 GMT > From: "The Wanderer" <rosieonmychest@nyc.rr.com> > To: GEN-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <E0kfg.3405$%h.412@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> > Subject: Can anybody tell me? > > My great grand father came over from Italy in 1892 when Ellis Island was > brand new. Did he have to bring any papers with him in order to be > processed? I know the W.O.P. stories but were the immigrants required to > have any documentation? This came up in an argument about the illegal > immigrants here now i.e. "how were your people any different that the ones > coming now?" The only answer that I have is that my people came legally, > without knowing were they just let in or did they "formally" immigrate, with > documents etc.

By the way, just jumping in here - you are probably aware of this, but if not - in Europe 01.12.1851 is 1st December, and 12.04.1932 is 12th April. Janette > > I wrote them, yesterday and they've already replied me. Here's some > precious info: > > CALLOVI ETTORE ENRICO ANTONIO > nato a Mezzocorona il 16 dicembre 1890 > figlio di Giuseppe (n. 01.12.1851 - m. 12.04.1932) > fu Francesco e Lucia Waldner > e di Berghem Maria > figlia di Francesco e di Rigotti Franca. > > which translates to: > > Ettore Enrico Antonio Callovi (apparently which 2 l's even here, maybe > an old XIX century spelling?) > born in Mezzocorona on 16th December 1890 > son of Giuseppe (born 01.12.1851 - dead 12.04.1932) of the late > Francesco and Lucia Waldner (these are his paternal grandparents) > and of Maria Berghem, daughter of Francesco and Franca Rigotti (these > are his maternal grandparents). > >

IMHO you are missing the point. When our immigrant ancestors came to America, they came with the knowledge that NO ONE was going to give them a hand out (they would have been ashamed to accept one) but that they must work hard to better themselves. They did not demand that the government give them free services. And lets face it, most of our ancestors came through the proper channels. Papers, or no papers, they followed protocol. They did not expect bilingual classes for their children-they were taught English and expected to keep up in school. Yes, they may have spoken only Italian at home but they did not expect America to conform to their Italian language-they knew that they should conform to the language of their new home. And I ask you-what's the harm in that? In a message dated 6/9/2006 9:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, jferr@mchsi.com writes: There is no difference, and if you are arguing that people are not entitled to try to better themselves by leaving their homes and families behind to come and work in the United States because they cannot survive in their own home town, then shame on you, particularly if you are descended from Italian immigrants. Italians populated many other countries in the world in the late 19th and early 20th centuries because they were starving at home, and they wanted to make a better life. Good for them. The majority of them walked there, or worked passage on ships. Some people may have had passports, but the vast majority did not. The United States is one of the nations that is built on the back on immigrants of all races. It is shameful to close the doors now and deny others the chance. IMO.

Giuseppe ha scritto: > Colasanto Giuseppe nato a Terlizzi 1888 Ciao, come possiamo aiutarti? :)