On Thu, 02 May 2002 19:56:31 GMT, Thurston Ackerman <ack80@attbi.com> wrote: >Pronto Fabio > >I guess my experiences in Roma, Firinze, Sorrento and Sicilia about 15 years >ago must have been unique. Next time I want to start in Sicilia about this time >of the year to enjoy the blossomed lemon trees while we revisit my wife's >relatives; and then I will come over to the west coast and see Rimini for sure. >BTW my mother named her sister Ravenna. We never really knew why she >suggested Ravenna. What might she found of interest in the next city up the >Adriatic coast from you in Rimini about a hundred years ago ? > >Ciao, Ack. Hey there, Ack :) I have some Sicilian friends living here in Rimini myself, and all of them keep telling me about how nice Sicily is in Spring and Summer. I guess I must go there and see it for myself sooner or later (damw work keeping all our time... ;) Rimini is on Italy's East Coast, actually, but you're right, you should pay a visit to the Adriatic Coast and its cities. The best months are June and July or, if you like crowds, August :) Ravenna a person's name ? Strange, never heard it around here, anyways sounds funny. Ravenna is a very nice place with historic Bizantines monuments protected by UNESCO and many other nice things to see, but apart from it, why someone should be called after it, it's a mistery to me ;) Maybe she had visited there or had some relatives there she missed ? Ciao Fabio

Ravenna is a surname. My old high school principal was Mr. Ravenna. He just passed away, very honored here.

Someone recently was going to get a bunch of old birth and death certifciates for me in a Municipio in Italy. When the moment came to pick them up, the person was informed that they couldn't be released because of some privacy issues. Is this a new law or policy or is something fishy going on?

Thank you for the link to the sites. I have been able to track down some possible family based on what I currently know about my Grandmother and Grandfather. -- "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." - Thomas Alva Edison (1847-1931) _______________________________________ Home Page: http://home.insightbb.com/~fselvaggio/home.html La famiglia Selvaggio: http://home.insightbb.com/~fselvaggio/lafamiglia.html Favorite Recipes: http://home.insightbb.com/~fselvaggio/recipes.html Remove "*" to reply

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Pronto Fabio I guess my experiences in Roma, Firinze, Sorrento and Sicilia about 15 years ago must have been unique. Next time I want to start in Sicilia about this time of the year to enjoy the blossomed lemon trees while we revisit my wife's relatives; and then I will come over to the west coast and see Rimini for sure. BTW my mother named her sister Ravenna. We never really knew why she suggested Ravenna. What might she found of interest in the next city up the Adriatic coast from you in Rimini about a hundred years ago ? Ciao, Ack. Fabio Parri wrote: > On Thu, 02 May 2002 03:28:22 GMT, Thurston Ackerman <ack80@attbi.com> > wrote: > > >I have read that there has been a considerable change in the business > >communities that has brought about some other changes in living there these days. > > >There have been a considerable number of Italian-Americans who have gone to Italy to > >work as managers of many of the American businesses (and their Italian > >competitors) who changed work practices so that two hour lunches followed by a nap before > >going back to work about 4pm are no longer the norm. > > Uhm, never been the norm here where I live. As far as I can remember, > everybody here in Rimini always re-started working at about 2/2:30 > p.m., after about 1/1:30 hours of lunchtime. Normal worktime here is: > > 8/8:30 - 12:30/13:00 > 14/14:30 - 17:30/18:00 > > >And I notice they recently elected a self-made billionaire as leader of > >the government (sounds very American like to me 8-) > > Yes it is, I guess it is a case of over-Americanization, I'd say, as I > don't know wether there ever was an American president being a > self-made billionaire, and chairman of a media empire with 3 tv > channels, ad agencies, press and other.... Uhm, sort of make me thing > of 'Big Brother' (not the tv show, obviously... ;) > > Ciao > > Fabio

In the early 1960's my mother's cousin (in Italy) wanted to arrange a match between myself (born NYC) and her step-son. I saw the guy's picture, he was gorgeous! Might not have been a bad deal. Marie Iovino http://community.webtv.net/MZI/IovinoDApolitoMauro

On Thu, 02 May 2002 10:33:05 GMT, XXXparrif_ibbXXX@yahoo.com (Fabio Parri) wrote: >How it has changed is a very difficult question, especially for me. >Being an Italian, I can't see "from the inside" things which are >probably much clearer to a foreign visitor. Anyways, I can assure you >Italy now is very different than 20 years ago, like any other Western >European country is :) Oops, forgot to say that any question is welcome :)))

On Thu, 02 May 2002 03:28:22 GMT, Thurston Ackerman <ack80@attbi.com> wrote: >I have read that there has been a considerable change in the business >communities that has brought about some other changes in living there these days. >There have been a considerable number of Italian-Americans who have gone to Italy to >work as managers of many of the American businesses (and their Italian >competitors) who changed work practices so that two hour lunches followed by a nap before >going back to work about 4pm are no longer the norm. Uhm, never been the norm here where I live. As far as I can remember, everybody here in Rimini always re-started working at about 2/2:30 p.m., after about 1/1:30 hours of lunchtime. Normal worktime here is: 8/8:30 - 12:30/13:00 14/14:30 - 17:30/18:00 >And I notice they recently elected a self-made billionaire as leader of >the government (sounds very American like to me 8-) Yes it is, I guess it is a case of over-Americanization, I'd say, as I don't know wether there ever was an American president being a self-made billionaire, and chairman of a media empire with 3 tv channels, ad agencies, press and other.... Uhm, sort of make me thing of 'Big Brother' (not the tv show, obviously... ;) Ciao Fabio

On Thu, 02 May 2002 01:06:32 GMT, Steve Della Rocchetta <sdr12198@pacbell.net> wrote: >Hi Jessica >They are still very family oriented for the most part families are very >close. Yes, this is very true, even though family bonds aren't tight as once anymore. Anyways, most young people stay still at home until married and doens't go to live very far from home (at least in the North, in the South it's different because people tend to migrate northwards). >I quess in that respect it is the same and has not changed. However >the Americanization of Italy and most of Europe is sad and I can say that >because I am American. We still love to go there anyway. I would >recommended you do the same someday it is fun the Italians are great. Yes, we are ;) Italy is more americanized (or 'globalized', as everybody likes to say nowadays) but still has its own peculiarities and idiosyncrasies, as I can easily see whenever I get to speak to people living or who lived abroad. Ciao Fabio

On 30 Apr 2002 20:49:16 -0700, jessica.lanzafame@students.vu.edu.au (Jessica) wrote: >I was just wondering as a student of Italian and an Italian background >has the Italian culture changed much within the last 20 years and if >so how has it changed? How it has changed is a very difficult question, especially for me. Being an Italian, I can't see "from the inside" things which are probably much clearer to a foreign visitor. Anyways, I can assure you Italy now is very different than 20 years ago, like any other Western European country is :)

Hi there, I totally lucked out, was able to contact a relative that I've never talked to before and found out exactly where both of my grandparents came from, which was Bari and Foggia, Italy! East Coast, Southern Italy :-) Thanks for the great links too! Susan

I have read that there has been a considerable change in the business communities that has brought about some other changes in living there these days. There have been a considerable number of Italian-Americans who have gone to Italy to work as managers of many of the American businesses (and their Italian competitors) who changed work practices so that two hour lunches followed by a nap before going back to work about 4pm are no longer the norm. And I notice they recently elected a self-made billionaire as leader of the government (sounds very American like to me 8-). Ciao, Ack. Jessica wrote: > I was just wondering as a student of Italian and an Italian background > has the Italian culture changed much within the last 20 years and if > so how has it changed?

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Hi Jessica They are still very family oriented for the most part families are very close. I quess in that respect it is the same and has not changed. However the Americanization of Italy and most of Europe is sad and I can sat that because I am American. We still love to go there anyway. I would recommended you do the same someday it is fun the Italians are great. Ciao Steve and Ginny Jessica wrote: > I was just wondering as a student of Italian and an Italian background > has the Italian culture changed much within the last 20 years and if > so how has it changed?

Just a quick note to say thanks for your help guys. And thanks to those that mailed me too. Much appreciated.

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Well. I think you are right when you say that the problems are independently from de colour. In Brazil, Italian people are responsible by a big part of country PIB. I don´t know how many per cent, but I´m sure that is a big part of the economy. In Brazil, there are not many italian people under the law. Then, I supose the italian people like working. In the south of Brazil where I live, the most of people are european origin and here we have the best life quality from de Brazil. Thanks. "Franco U" <iosonofrancounderscoreugolini@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<RmEz8.35858$8D3.1038644@news1.tin.it>... > I don't think so, there are more problems with people that lives selling > drug, men and women (for prostitution - is it right ? - ) ... > and this indipendently from the "colour" ... > > I'm in Bologna, in Emilia-Romagna, in the exact center of this beautiful > city with many roman, medieval, renaissance and baroque "objects" (there are > also modern architectures, but out of the last "wall") ... ten or twelve > years ago You could walk at every hour, day or night, with no problem; then > came in the exact center a lot of pushers all from mediterranean countries > (and that work with the knives ...) and a lot of bitches (whores) all > strictly stranger (from Nigeria, Russia, Romania, Albania and from many > other East and african country) along the last town-walls building line. > > What should we think? it's easy to say beautiful word (this from certain > politic parts ...) that everyone then pays on his skin (and not only the > italian citizens, but also those that comes here with the only perspective > to live "down by law" ...). > > And You, what do You think? > > I only think that is more easy to find honest worker guys between ex or > second or third generation from italians gone all over the world. > > > > > F.U. > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _________________________ > > "Ederson Tortelli" <dornelis@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:d7b3c6f.0204282000.229d3d77@posting.google.com... > > Yes, > > but Franco > > > > I can ´t understand what are you talking about. > > You don´t like black people? Is that right? > > > > Franco, where are you from? > > and you Steve? > > > > > > teve Della Rocchetta <sdr12198@pacbell.net> wrote in message > news:<3CCB3EB8.82D10B74@pacbell.net>... > > > I miss understood your email. If you want to go back to Italy go I think > the > > > Italians for the most part would not have a problem with you if you go > through > > > the proper procedures. They would welcome productive citzens. > > > > > > Ciao Steve > > > > > > Ederson Tortelli wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > What do you think about italian that lives in others countries, like > Brazil? > > > > > > > > And, how about this people return to italy?

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