Hi Valmir We always use the their given name first then the family name. If you are writing to family or friends also include the letter in english. The young people if available in a lot of cases can read and write english. The letter also gives them the opportunity to pratice what they learn in school. Ciao Steve valmir cinquini wrote: > When writting letters to people in Italy, should I put the surname > (last name) BEFORE the name (first name) or does Italian Language > follow the same rule as Portuguese Language follows: first name + > middle name (when they exist) + last name? > > Thanks

Frank, If the entry on Ellis Island makes sense as to the other information provided, you may have just found your ancestor. Ellis Island was not generally staffed with Americans who read and spoke fluent Italian. They often modifed both Surnames and Given Names to "Americanize" the immmigrants. And, if Ellis Island didn't make the change, the public school system took care of the matter. I would urge you to take a look at the actual manifest. Compare information. Ages, City of Origin, that type of thing may help, and the column on the manifest which lists the name of the relative they are planning to stay with in America may confirm your suspicions. I read once that some of the information reported at Ellis Island could be inaccurate. For example, if your relatives may have lived in a small village, left the village and moved to Rome for an opportunity to make more money to pay for steerage, they may have reported Rome as the last place they lived. Rome wouldn't be an untruthful response, but for the family historian it might certainly be a "left curve" in their research. Genealogy is not an exact science, sometimes you have to give up a detail for the big picture. Regards, Vicky vas575@aol.com

Pearl = Perla Providenzia = ??????? "Frank S." <fselvaggio"*"@InsightBB.com> wrote in message news:<3CD5443E.6F89CB05@InsightBB.com>... > Trying to find a translation if there is one for the first name > (English) Pearl. > > I have run across an ancestor via Ellis Island but not sure if I am > reading the name correctly. The name as shown on the manifest is what > I can best make out to be "Providenzia". > > Thank You.

Trying to find a translation if there is one for the first name (English) Pearl. I have run across an ancestor via Ellis Island but not sure if I am reading the name correctly. The name as shown on the manifest is what I can best make out to be "Providenzia". Thank You. -- "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." - Thomas Alva Edison (1847-1931) _______________________________________ Home Page: http://home.insightbb.com/~fselvaggio/home.html Favorite Recipes: http://home.insightbb.com/~fselvaggio/recipes.html LaFamiglia Selvaggio: http://home.insightbb.com/~fselvaggio/lafamiglia.html Remove "*" to reply

Eu vivo em SC. Nada ver cara. Não conheço São Paulo, mas deve ser um bom estado para se viver. Meu bisnono desceu em RS, mas se instalou em SC. Vc tá vendo a papelada da cidadania? vcinquini@ig.com.br (valmir cinquini) wrote in message news:<ca07badb.0205050603.3a0fc47e@posting.google.com>... > Fala Ederson....mora em que lugar do Sul? RS? SC? > > Amo a tua terra....pena que meu bisnono nao quis descer em algum porto > dai...preferiu ficar aqui em SP mesmo.... > > dornelis@hotmail.com (Ederson Tortelli) wrote in message news:<d7b3c6f.0205011624.3a3d43be@posting.google.com>... > > Well. > > > > I think you are right when you say that the problems are independently > > from de colour. > > > > In Brazil, Italian people are responsible by a big part of country > > PIB. I don´t know how many per cent, but I´m sure that is a big part > > of the economy. > > > > In Brazil, there are not many italian people under the law. Then, I > > supose the italian people like working. > > > > In the south of Brazil where I live, the most of people are european > > origin and > > here we have the best life quality from de Brazil. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Franco U" <iosonofrancounderscoreugolini@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<RmEz8.35858$8D3.1038644@news1.tin.it>... > > > I don't think so, there are more problems with people that lives selling > > > drug, men and women (for prostitution - is it right ? - ) ... > > > and this indipendently from the "colour" ... > > > > > > I'm in Bologna, in Emilia-Romagna, in the exact center of this beautiful > > > city with many roman, medieval, renaissance and baroque "objects" (there are > > > also modern architectures, but out of the last "wall") ... ten or twelve > > > years ago You could walk at every hour, day or night, with no problem; then > > > came in the exact center a lot of pushers all from mediterranean countries > > > (and that work with the knives ...) and a lot of bitches (whores) all > > > strictly stranger (from Nigeria, Russia, Romania, Albania and from many > > > other East and african country) along the last town-walls building line. > > > > > > What should we think? it's easy to say beautiful word (this from certain > > > politic parts ...) that everyone then pays on his skin (and not only the > > > italian citizens, but also those that comes here with the only perspective > > > to live "down by law" ...). > > > > > > And You, what do You think? > > > > > > I only think that is more easy to find honest worker guys between ex or > > > second or third generation from italians gone all over the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > F.U. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > > _________________________ > > > > > > "Ederson Tortelli" <dornelis@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio > > > news:d7b3c6f.0204282000.229d3d77@posting.google.com... > > > > Yes, > > > > but Franco > > > > > > > > I can ´t understand what are you talking about. > > > > You don´t like black people? Is that right? > > > > > > > > Franco, where are you from? > > > > and you Steve? > > > > > > > > > > > > teve Della Rocchetta <sdr12198@pacbell.net> wrote in message > news:<3CCB3EB8.82D10B74@pacbell.net>... > > > > > I miss understood your email. If you want to go back to Italy go I think > the > > > > > Italians for the most part would not have a problem with you if you go > through > > > > > the proper procedures. They would welcome productive citzens. > > > > > > > > > > Ciao Steve > > > > > > > > > > Ederson Tortelli wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think about italian that lives in others countries, like > Brazil? > > > > > > > > > > > > And, how about this people return to italy?

My great grandmother's name is listed as Pellegrina Viaggi but in other records, it is Maria. Could Pellegrina have been her mother's maiden name and is it a common first name? I am also researching Bocchi. The only information I can find on documents is Massa Carrara and Tuscany. I think it must a small town near Massa Carrara as I cannot find any information. Is anyone researching these names?

In 1926 my Father-in-law served in the Italian military and it's my understanding that at that time Italy had two armies, the King's army and Mussolini's army. Does anyone out there know if this is true and if so were they fighting each other. Can someone explain? Your help will be appreciated. Thanks...Nell

On 3 May 2002 08:51:33 -0600, CCarnivale@aol.com wrote: >Ravenna is a surname. My old high school principal was Mr. Ravenna. He just >passed away, very honored here. Yep, some people here have surnames referring to the name of a place. That often (but not exclusively) happens with people who had Jewish ancestors (ex. Bologna, Rimini, Ravenna). Anyways, in Ack's situation, that doesn't seem to be the case, as it was his mother who called her sister like that, and the both of them should have carried the same surname (which I presume wasn't Ravenna, otherwise Ack wouldn't have remembered the particularity about his aunt)

Fala Ederson....mora em que lugar do Sul? RS? SC? Amo a tua terra....pena que meu bisnono nao quis descer em algum porto dai...preferiu ficar aqui em SP mesmo.... dornelis@hotmail.com (Ederson Tortelli) wrote in message news:<d7b3c6f.0205011624.3a3d43be@posting.google.com>... > Well. > > I think you are right when you say that the problems are independently > from de colour. > > In Brazil, Italian people are responsible by a big part of country > PIB. I don´t know how many per cent, but I´m sure that is a big part > of the economy. > > In Brazil, there are not many italian people under the law. Then, I > supose the italian people like working. > > In the south of Brazil where I live, the most of people are european > origin and > here we have the best life quality from de Brazil. > > Thanks. > > > > > > "Franco U" <iosonofrancounderscoreugolini@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<RmEz8.35858$8D3.1038644@news1.tin.it>... > > I don't think so, there are more problems with people that lives selling > > drug, men and women (for prostitution - is it right ? - ) ... > > and this indipendently from the "colour" ... > > > > I'm in Bologna, in Emilia-Romagna, in the exact center of this beautiful > > city with many roman, medieval, renaissance and baroque "objects" (there are > > also modern architectures, but out of the last "wall") ... ten or twelve > > years ago You could walk at every hour, day or night, with no problem; then > > came in the exact center a lot of pushers all from mediterranean countries > > (and that work with the knives ...) and a lot of bitches (whores) all > > strictly stranger (from Nigeria, Russia, Romania, Albania and from many > > other East and african country) along the last town-walls building line. > > > > What should we think? it's easy to say beautiful word (this from certain > > politic parts ...) that everyone then pays on his skin (and not only the > > italian citizens, but also those that comes here with the only perspective > > to live "down by law" ...). > > > > And You, what do You think? > > > > I only think that is more easy to find honest worker guys between ex or > > second or third generation from italians gone all over the world. > > > > > > > > > > F.U. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________ > > > > "Ederson Tortelli" <dornelis@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio > > news:d7b3c6f.0204282000.229d3d77@posting.google.com... > > > Yes, > > > but Franco > > > > > > I can ´t understand what are you talking about. > > > You don´t like black people? Is that right? > > > > > > Franco, where are you from? > > > and you Steve? > > > > > > > > > teve Della Rocchetta <sdr12198@pacbell.net> wrote in message > news:<3CCB3EB8.82D10B74@pacbell.net>... > > > > I miss understood your email. If you want to go back to Italy go I think > the > > > > Italians for the most part would not have a problem with you if you go > through > > > > the proper procedures. They would welcome productive citzens. > > > > > > > > Ciao Steve > > > > > > > > Ederson Tortelli wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > What do you think about italian that lives in others countries, like > Brazil? > > > > > > > > > > And, how about this people return to italy?

When writting letters to people in Italy, should I put the surname (last name) BEFORE the name (first name) or does Italian Language follow the same rule as Portuguese Language follows: first name + middle name (when they exist) + last name? Thanks

"Brent Pellegrini" wrote: > Someone recently was going to get a bunch of old birth and death > certifciates for me in a Municipio in Italy. When the moment came to pick > them up, the person was informed that they couldn't be released because of > some privacy issues. Is this a new law or policy or is something fishy > going on? Italy has a law which keeps vital records (birth, marriage, etc) private for 75 years. For example, if you wanted to obtain a birth certificate for someone born in 1929, you would have to get special permission. If you wanted a birth certificate for someone born in 1910, you should be able to easily obtain a certificate. Additionally, I believe Italy regulates the amount of information that can be provided even for records more than 75 years old. For example, to obtain a photocopy of an original record, technically you must receive special permission. A certificate or extract does not require special permission. I am not sure if permission is needed for a full, handwritten copy (called a 'copia integrale'). Regards, Regina -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

Hi Marie You have to get someone with scanner and have them preserved them on a floppy disk or a CD ROM. You may think you are computer illiterate but you are not you wrote this message. Also we all understood you so do not sell yourself short. Your descendants will all have computers if they do not already have them. A scanner is nothing more than a copier that you can download the images to a computer. Once they get onto a CD ROM and if taken care of will out last most of us. Or until something new comes out and in most cases it can be load to the new format or whatever. If you ever get that accomplished you may want to the originals in a safe depoist box. Or some place free of moisture and the elements. I agree with Vicky up to a point we have are in a book with acid free paper. Not a bad idea but the computer along with the book and in a Safe Depoist Box is the way to go. This way you have a backup plan. Ciao Steve Marie Iovino wrote: > I've compiled biographies of family members and I have a photo > collection that goes back to 1901. I make everything available to > anyone who would like it for the price of the copies. So what's the > problem? Most of the adult family members couldn't care less about > there family tree. I'm afraid that in years to come the information > will be lost to the descendants who might be interested. > > I'm computer illiterate. How can these photos and biographies be > preserved for future generations? > > Marie Iovino > > http://community.webtv.net/MZI/IovinoDApolitoMauro

Dear Vicky, Thanks for the advice. I have made two identical albums. Mine will go to my grandson and my daughter's will go to her daughter. They are in acid free page savers. There is a third identical album (father's side only) with one of my cousins from that side. Another cousin on my mother's side with keep a duplicate of that side. All rare photos have been duplicated on computer copier. My daughter holds those. Where there are duplicate photos they have been divided by family members. If anyone can think of anything els let me know. Marie http://community.webtv.net/MZI/IovinoDApolitoMauro

Marie, I am not 100% certain that I would look to a computer as the sole place to store your family history. On another list, we were told of someone making a video tape which looked to different photographs of family members and narrated significant occurances during their lives. Copies of the tape were given to any and all family members for the price of the videotape itself, not for its content or production. I believe creating a book with acid free pages is still the most trustworthy medium. I consider myself computer literate and know that in 20 years, video tapes could go the way of vinyl records, reel to reel tapes and 8 tracks. Windows 2000 could go the way of Robby the Robot. Technology changes and you could end up with a crashed computer or equipment that is so antiquated that no one can access the information in 20 years or less. (Has anyone seen any 5-1/4" floppy disks lately?) See my point? That is why I would advocate the "low technology" of a bound book. There are resources available for this which I believe advertise on some of the major genealogy websites, if not, there are some genealogy magazines that offer these services. Additionally, a good stationer could provide the right type of endouring acid free paper you will need. Best regards, Vicky

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Hi Vas They just have strict privacy laws in Italy. Ciao Steve Vas575@aol.com wrote: > I read with interest the information provided about laws in Italy which > prohibit a government agency from providing records indiscriminately. I > believe that is a good law in this day and age of Identity Theft. > > I read somewhere that there are also laws to protect Italian Citizens from > the harrassment of someone approaching them to learn if they might be > related. Is this true? > > Thanks in advance for your response. > Vicky > vas575@aol.com > > Researching: Palatiello, DiGregorio, Russo, Martino - Bovino, Foggia

I've compiled biographies of family members and I have a photo collection that goes back to 1901. I make everything available to anyone who would like it for the price of the copies. So what's the problem? Most of the adult family members couldn't care less about there family tree. I'm afraid that in years to come the information will be lost to the descendants who might be interested. I'm computer illiterate. How can these photos and biographies be preserved for future generations? Marie Iovino http://community.webtv.net/MZI/IovinoDApolitoMauro

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I read with interest the information provided about laws in Italy which prohibit a government agency from providing records indiscriminately. I believe that is a good law in this day and age of Identity Theft. I read somewhere that there are also laws to protect Italian Citizens from the harrassment of someone approaching them to learn if they might be related. Is this true? Thanks in advance for your response. Vicky vas575@aol.com Researching: Palatiello, DiGregorio, Russo, Martino - Bovino, Foggia

> Someone recently was going to get a bunch of old birth and death > certifciates for me in a Municipio in Italy. When the moment came to pick > them up, the person was informed that they couldn't be released because of > some privacy issues. Is this a new law or policy or is something fishy > going on? > Hi all!!! There is a privacy law in Italy now (at last...) Law 675/96 (#/year of issue) Law 676/96 DECRETO LEGGE (D.L) 123 of the May 9 1997 shortly... only people directly related to the person, and wich can demonstrate it, can ask for documents. This someone should ask to who is in charge in that office how he can do... probably You would have a better chance to get those papers by mail (it will take time...), of corse if You can demonstrate that You are related to the people of whose certificates You're asking for... (wow my english is quite rusty sorry... i hope it is understandable) ciao Mauro -- REMOVE MAPS ON DON'T USE REPLY!! StGermainMAPS@ONexornandi.it