CCarnivale@aol.com wrote: > Cicero, > You may! My best Hispanic friends call me Carleena. At first they > thought it was my name. Then by the time I told them it was wrong, > they had become like family, and it was endearing to me. Kinda > special, you might say. I am always being told that I "married" a > good name, that goes so well with my first name. I agree! But it is a > mouthful for my kin folks who never knew any Italians! I udenrstand. Italian is not an esay language and sound in a strange way to foreigners. I'm not amezed they think your name is mouthful, but to latin speakers your name has a very pleasant sound. On the other hand we (italians) are not known to be good english speakers. This is not true for the new generations, but it is true for the majority (and for me, as you can see ^__^) In high school we studied ancient latin and greek but not sufficiently nowadays foreign languages. At university (I studied law) I had not a course of foreign language.... Nowadays is different, but in my times was not so (and I'm 35 yo) >I still remember some of that! Well, enough > to do the cross word puzzles, anyway. :) "Carlina" Indeed you've studied very well ! I'm not yet able to do word puzzles in english.... :-)) ciao Paolo (cicero)

Cicero, Your English is very good! I could come and live there for years and never speak Italian as well as you speak English. We Americans do have languages classes in school, but most of the time it is just for credits. I am not sure, but it may even be a requirement for college. Most people can't go and speak the language they studied. My son was a French student, and a very good one. He was given 2 semesters credit when he started college because he was able to pass oral tests. He later dropped out, because his counselor told him he would never make a living with his French. Now, lo these many years later, anyone who has more than one language is in great demand. But you have to speak it with others, often, to get really fluent, I think. I wish all my Spanish speaking friends would speak it at home with their children. My husband spoke Italian as a child, but can only remember a little of it now. Too bad! Teach your children! I have met some Europeans who speak many languages. I think that is wonderful. About crosswords, I am not as I could be, because I can't spell that good, and there is no "spell check" to help me! :) Carlina

CCarnivale@aol.com wrote: > Or in English: "Mama's baby, Daddy"s maybe" > > Carleen Carnivale Oh good Carleen, indeed my itanglish needs support ^___^ by the way, if I can translate Carleen in italian can I say "Carlina" ? Carlina is my mamma's name too. ciao cicero

I'm afraid you are right, Carnivale. But then ... Why ancient romans told that ? ^__^ For Larry, asking for the translation: It is a latin proverb meaning : mummy is always certain, daddy never (really it is an old roman law principle , but it became a popular way to joke about feminine virtue) You find othe ancient latin proverbs and typical phrases here : http://www.aurora.ru/latin.htm http://www.mikebyde.freeserve.co.uk/Quotes/latinproverbs.html http://www.greenspun.com/boohoo/related.tcl?page_id=latin http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Latin+proverbs ciao cicero CCarnivale@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/11/02 5:11:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > cicero@dsds.it writes: > >> mater semper certa est, pater numquam >> > THIS WILL BE THE SLOGAN FOR "OUR" TIMES, I AM AFRAID!

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Cicero, You may! My best Hispanic friends call me Carleena. At first they thought it was my name. Then by the time I told them it was wrong, they had become like family, and it was endearing to me. Kinda special, you might say. I am always being told that I "married" a good name, that goes so well with my first name. I agree! But it is a mouthful for my kin folks who never knew any Italians! I am not Italian. I am mostly English, with some German, French, etc., mixed in. I translated the phrase you used from my little bit of High School Spanish, I studied 45 yrs ago. I am always surprised I remember any. I learned a tiny bit of French, helping my son with his HS French, 25+ yrs ago. I still remember some of that! Well, enough to do the cross word puzzles, anyway. :) "Carlina"

Or in English: "Mama's baby, Daddy"s maybe" Carleen Carnivale

In a message dated 5/11/02 5:11:10 AM Central Daylight Time, cicero@dsds.it writes: > mater semper certa est, pater numquam > THIS WILL BE THE SLOGAN FOR "OUR" TIMES, I AM AFRAID!

Lastly ancient romans give us the ultimate reason of our uncertainty about ancestors' genes : mater semper certa est, pater numquam :-) ciao

Anybody care to translate? ----- Original Message ----- From: "cicero" <cicero@dsds.it> To: <GEN-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:02 AM Subject: Re: Sicilian & Blue Green Eyes > Lastly ancient romans give us the ultimate reason of our uncertainty about > ancestors' genes : mater semper certa est, pater numquam > > :-) > > ciao > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you to Sherona - although not the Author of the original posting, my name is Sicilian (Siciliani) and I have Blue Green Eyes. My ancestors were from Bovino Foggia in the Bari province. Though I can attribute my coloring to my maternal grandmother who was from Yorkshire England (a prime area for Norman Invasion), I have heard many explanations over the years: One in every 4 people have blue eyes; It is dependent on which astrological sign you were born under; and on and on and on. Those listmembers from the United States may be aware of the PBS videos entitled Visions of Italy North and South. A new video was produced by PBS affiliate WLIW in Long Island, New York entitled Visions of Sicily. This was recently aired exclusively on WLIW in a recent fund drive. I imagine that future fund drives will make it available to other PBS stations. As with its two preceding videos, it gives wonderful views of the Island of Sicily and a wealth of history and culture. Be on the lookout for this program - you will not be disappointed. Happy Searching! Vicky

On 9 May 2002 08:55:31 -0600, TKrog10@aol.com wrote: >Hello: > >Hello: > >Has anyone written letters to possible relatives in Italy? Were the results >what you expected? I am thinking of doing this but am not too sure how they >will be received. Also, if I do this do I sent them a self addressed stamped >envelope for their reply and do I include instead of postage an international >postal coupon? Any suggestions as to whether I should do this or not would >be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks very much! >Mary Krog > This is one of those areas where you pay your money and take your chances."Results will vary". I wrote 40 plus letters to people with the same surname in Italy. I got one response, and those folks were not related. On the other hand, I know several cases where people did find relatives this way. I should not bother with return envelopes or return postage, as I'm sure some people would find this insulting. These good people know perfecty well how to address an envelope and purchase a stamp. Good Luck. Frank F.

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I'm a direct descendant of the Normans, and I have blue-green eyes and dark blonde hair...and have been told while living in Italy that I look like I"m of Mediterranean descent...obviously I have a lot going on in the gene pool here and that's just on one side of the family!! "cicero" <cicero@nomail.it> wrote in message news:<%0sC8.32300$US3.722701@twister1.libero.it>... > Ciao, > > my father was pugliese (Puglia, near Calabria and Sicilia, in south italy) > and he was tall, with blond hairs and blue eyes. Blonds and blue eyes are > everywhere in italy. Yes, in south italy there are less than in northern > italy, and in northern italy are less then in Norway. There is a different > distribution, but light eyes are everywhere. > You know sicily was occupied by arabs and spanish , but also by skandinavian > people : the Normans > > England was not the only land the Normans vanquished, nor was it the only > realm they commanded with profound capacity. Much less known than the > adventure of 1066 is their earlier subjugation and rule of Sicily and > southern Italy. Their uncommonly liberal government, which allowed for > religious freedom and cultural expression, made their court the most > enlightened of Europe. The artistic creations from this age are splendid > indeed, attested by the Cathedrals at Cefalù and Palermo, the Norman Palace > in Palermo, and the marvelous Abbey of Monreale. The occasional blonde among > the dark Sicilian population is physical proof of the island's Norman > legacy. > > I can find something about Normans and south italy on the web : > http://www.storiaonline.org/normanni/en.htm > > Probably you are a mix like every italian :) > > ciao > cicero > > > > Ace wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I know this might be obvious, but being Italian and having grown up, > > and lived most of my life outside of an Italian or Sicilian community, > > I have to ask. > > > > I know i'm not 100% Sicilian, but I am mainly, and I have these > > unusual blue-green eyes, that i've seen on very, very few people. > > Maybe a few Brazilians or Israelis might have had similar ones, but > > they weren't really the same. > > > > What I want to know, is - the trait, the eye color - common for > > Sicilians? > > > > We all know the Godfather stereotypes, all deep brown eyes (which most > > of my siblings do carry) but I just want to know, since its been a > > question my whole life. > > > > Thanks.

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Hello; I am looking for information about my grandfathers surname--Pozzuoli. He was from Cartoceto, Italy. Province-Pesaro, Region-Marche. He has cousins living in West Haven, Connecticut. Other family members are from the town Pesaro. Thank-you; Noreen dinosaur@ix.netcom.com

Hi Mary You never know how they will take it. I would say generally the letters are will received. However if you ask about family land and things of that nature you may not get a response. Also a letter written in english as the young if available can read and write english in some cases. They would enjoy the challenge. Good look Ciao Steve TKrog10@aol.com wrote: > Hello: > > Hello: > > Has anyone written letters to possible relatives in Italy? Were the results > what you expected? I am thinking of doing this but am not too sure how they > will be received. Also, if I do this do I sent them a self addressed stamped > envelope for their reply and do I include instead of postage an international > postal coupon? Any suggestions as to whether I should do this or not would > be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks very much! > Mary Krog

Jean françois Mattei, Ministre de la Santé, de la famille et des handicapés est originaire du coté paternel du village de Corscia dans la région du Niolo au centre de la Corse. Il est a remarqué que parmi les premières victimes de la conquête française figuraient au nombre des fameux pendus du Niolo un notable du nom de Gianfranco Mattei. Cela dit les specialistes s'accordent a penser que les familles Mattei de Corse sont originaires de Rome ou de Florence au 16 siècle environ. Christian Paoli, Généalogie Corse/Bibliothèque, Paris =========== A noter 300 notices bibliographiques sur la Corse (patronymes, histoire locale, emigration, etc) www.geneaita.org/emi mots cles: Taper un patronyme Lieu: taper une commune ou le lot Corse

Hi, I wanted to tell you the results of my sending to possible family in Serracapriola, Foggia, Italy. I was lucky and I had the right family. They were happy to hear from me. My great-grandfather left Italy for America in 1905. I sent my letter in 1998. The cousin that recieved my letter was aware of my ggfather. He said all thru the years he was talked about and the family wondered about him. My ggrandfather passed away in 1911, that is the reason he never contacted his family. Well, my cousin sent me pictures of family, the house my grandparents lived in, pics of the town streets as well as the castle in town. I also found family in Rome and we correspond also. I found the Italian relatives are honored to find out we have not forgotten our Italian heritage. As for postage, I didn't send any, so I am no help there. But I would write to anyone in the town your family came from that has your surname. Good Luck.....Donna