Hello, At first excuse me for my English who is approximative. If you are passionned on old documents you can find them on http://www.oldpaper.be . Acts, autographs ,postcards ,old letters etc are now available. You can put your "desiderata" (Keywords or subject you are looking for) and you will receive an email if a document concerning one of the keywords is published. See you soon Didier

Go to www.paginebianche.com Vincescer@aol.com wrote: > Both my grandmother, Angela DePalma from Comiziano and my grandfather, > Michaelangelo Roselli from Tufino both the provinve of Napoli. > How can I access the database? > Grazie > Jacqueline Sammarco

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Both my grandmother, Angela DePalma from Comiziano and my grandfather, Michaelangelo Roselli from Tufino both the provinve of Napoli. How can I access the database? Grazie Jacqueline Sammarco

I've just added pages for the five provinces of Campania to my site, http://SurnamesByTown.com. You can see the page for Potenza province (which is in Basilicata region) at http://SurnamesByTown.com/Italy/Potenza/potenza.html Please submit your surnames, these will appear as e-mail links to you, under the town where your ancestors lived, so somebody else with ancestors of the same surname in the same town can e-mail you. The five provinces of Campania region are Avellino, Benevento, Caserta, Napoli and Salerno. If you visit the site, you'll find there aren't any surnames there yet, because I've just added those pages. Please add yours by e-mailing me, SurnamesByTown@aol.com, mentioning the province and town where the people with those surnames lived.

I've just expanded my SurnamesByTown.com database by adding pages for the five provinces of Campania region: Avellino, Benevento, Caserta, Napoli and Salerno. My great-grandmother, Mariarosa POTO, was born in Castelcivita, Salerno. These pages add to the existing pages for the Basilicata provinces of Matera and Potenza. The Potenza page is the most extensive. All members of this e-mail list who have names from any of these provinces, please submit them by e-mailing me, at SurnamesByTown@aol.com, mentioning the surnames and the town and province where they lived.

Dear Readers, The records in the church of my ancestral town (Colledimacine, Provincia di Chieti) were destroyed during WW2. I remember reading somewhere that local church records are sent to the diocese headquarters. Is anyone familiar with this concept? Does anyone know a time period during which this was/is commonly done? Thank you. -Tony Falcone

Hi, I do quick genealogical searches in all Italy. In a week or less you can have all the notices about your relativies that you was looking for. If you are interested please contact me. The prices are not expensive. I can write in English,Française and Italiano.

Hi, you are looking for a house in Sicily for your holydays or an oppurunity to buy. If you are interested please contact me.

Dear Lord: Every single evening As I'm lying here in bed This tiny little prayer Keeps running through my head. God bless all my family Wherever they may be, Keep them warm and safe from harm For they're so close to me. And God, there is one more thing I wish that you could do. Hope you don't mind me asking, Bless my computer too. Now I know that it's not normal To bless a mother board, But listen just a second While I explain to you 'My Lord.' You see, that little metal box Holds more than odds & ends Inside those small compartments Rest so many of my FRIENDS. I know so much about them By the kindness that they give And this little scrap of metal Takes me in to where they live. By faith is how I know them Much the same as you We share in what life brings us And from that our friendship grew. Please, take an extra minute >From your duties up above To bless those in my address book That's filled with so much love! Wherever else this prayer may reach To each and every friend, bless each e-mail Inbox And the person who hits Send. When you update your heavenly list On your own CD-Rom Remember each who've said this prayer Sent up to God.com. Amen. Have a nice Summer! Donna Mayor <swindling@aol.com> RootsWeb mailing lists: CIAVARELLA & FAGGIANELLI(A) surnames and the Italian regions of PUGLIA & PIEDMONT

Bonjour. Je cherche toujours désespérément des renseignements au sujet de mon arrière grand-mère PAGLIUOLO (PAJUOLO) Adèle,mariée entre 1877 et 1890 avec BLONDEAU Henri,aéronaute belge. Je ne suis sûre que d'une chose:elle était femme de ménage à Bologna en 1891,où elle a mis au monde son enfant:BLONDEAU Henri,mon grand-père. Y a t'il aux archives des recensements de population en 1890/1891 pour la ville de Bologna? Aucun des actes (°,+) de son mari et de son fils n'indique quoi que ce soit sur cette PAGLIUOLO Adèle. Tout conseil ma serait utile. Amicalement Henri

I am looking for relatives in Luzzi, Cosenza, Calabria (Cesario, Giorno), the Arberesh (Albanian) colony of Lungro, Cosenza, Calabria, and Eboli or Battipaglia, both in Salerno, Campania (Di Giacomo, Cannalonga), although I've been told the Di Giacomo family seat is in Montecorvino Rovella, Salerno, Campania. I am from Philadelphia, PA, and my ancestors all settled in the Germantown section of the city (which was then a suburb), except for the Di Giacomo's, who originally settled in Germantown but moved with their pisans in North Philadelphia, around St. Mary of the Eternal Parish (22nd Street and Allegheny Avenue). Anyone with information, or who may possibly be a relative, please contact me at Beatles0223@aol.com. Thank you. Donna Di Giacomo

"Dick Miale" wrote in message news:3ce8573c_2@grouper.exis.net... > of Arms". One is a book called (in English) the "Golden Book" and another is > the list can come up with the film number and maybe another source for the > Golden Books. I don't believe the Library of Congress has a copy, but I > Hi, "Supposedly" the big New York City Public Library http://unix2.nysed.gov/gengen.htm has a copy but I searched their online index and didn't find it but that search isn't as good as the one in-house also Check the big New Jersey Library that has a huge genealogical section. Maybe you can email them if you are interested. More genealogical library holdings: http://www.onelibrary.com/libcats.htm http://www.gwest.org/gen_libs.htm If you send for it, it now costs more than $200. Write first as I don't even know if this is still the correct address. "Libro d'Oro della Nobilta Italiana" Collegio Araldica, Via S. Maria dell'Anima 16, 00186 Roma.

Congratulations Deborah on your search and documents. I obtained my dual citizenship and also for my wife. She and I will be moving into our condo with a view of the Royal Palace in Caserta, Italy. A few miles away is the town of Maddaloni, a small town where my grandparents were born and married. Maddaloni is also where my father and my birth records are recorded in their city hall. My grandfather failed to obtain US citizenship also. I know about the cost, but New York is less expensive, except for the many offices and municipal archives that we have to go through. Especially when I live in the State of Washington on the Pacific coast. I also had to send all the paperwork from Italy and New York to the Consular office in San Francisco. But it was worth it. Getting off the plane in Italy, we show our Italian passport to the EU custom's desk with the other 6 or 7 EU citizens and are waved thru. The other American passengers have to line up 200 plus and show their American passports to the Italian customs desk. But a word of caution. Coming back to America use the US passport or they will require you to show a Green card before boarding. Speaking about the Crests, I did purchase one in a Mall outside the city of Milano. It was written completely in Italian, but gave almost the same information as the one I obtained from Halberts, in Ohio almost 30 years ago. While stationed in Taiwan, ROC, I had the crest put to canvas and hung in my home for years. While I was in Italy, I showed the paper copy of the family crest that I had purchase in Milano to my cousin in Naples. He is very, very wealthy. He told me that every time someone address him as Count he will give that person 50 lira. I would have done it but it would have taken me all day to get enough lira to amount to $5.00 US. Mike Setaro

Subject: "Family Crest" > news:soc.genealogy.italian "Deborah Vivona" wrote in message news: Date: 2002-05-20 06:00:14 PST : > Hi Paula, Sorry, I tried to write you off LIST, but my letter to you came back.... > Dear Deborah, Please don't feel embarrassed its okay. It was a learning experience, which will help others. This Heraldry topic comes up once in awhile as marketers sell people family crests and certificates. However, it really can get out of hand in a big way, which is why Frank and Mike posted those little comedy routines on the subject. (Aka "dry wit" or sarcasm) Frank has a point about making up your own coat-of-arms, etc as many of the marketers do just that ... so why not a personal creation? In fact, in the historical archives one can sometimes uncover more than one crest/coat of arms for a surname when different individuals, with the same surname, received a Title. I have seen sites that help you "build your own" and once lived near a family who did just that...and worked on it like a huge flag quilt and dropped it over their 2nd story balcony. It was very beautiful. Have a great time in Italy and in researching your Family Tree. Best Wishes Always, Paula Marie Nigro "Italian Genealogy Online and all things Italian" http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwisdom/index.html --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Deborah Vivona Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 7:54 AM To: Tea Cup Subject: Re: "Family Crest" yesme Good Morning Tea Cup, "Thank you," for your kind words and the information. Somehow what and how you explained it, didn't hurt....I was hurt and embarrassed that I had shared something that I was going to be cross stitching on with all of the LIST that I thought others were be interested in to. But, if through my ignorance of crests ,my choice of ignorance has saved others of throwing away their money, then something good did come out of it. Yes, what the English woman, (?) [Carleen Basham Carnivale] said was kind too and appreciated...I do have a room such as her "genie" room! As usual, your wise words, are greatly received and warmly taken. "Thank you" for teaching me so politely. I will think of you in a week as I cross stitch in Italy, fondly, and I will keep my ears and eyes open for other Nigros as I continue to search for Vivonas. You have been a friend as Mary Nigro was to our Grandmother Sadie Vivona was in Kansas City.... Thank you, Sincerely, Deborah Vivona > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tea Cup > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 2:13 AM > To: GEN-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: "Family Crest" yesme@Iamhere >> >> "Deborah Vivona" wrote in message > > news:OE157sKd6QR7j1HaKtK0003620f@hotmail.com > > Dear NOT ME @ NOT There, > > Yes, you did burst my bubble... > Hello, > Well actually it sounded more like he was trying to protect you and anyone > else who might fall for these schemes since this is a global newsgroup with > many readers. Guys can sometimes be overly blunt but if Frank F would have > tipsy-toed around the situation many people might not have understood as > quickly. That old saying you quoted did not apply to accurate research, it > was about "bad hair" days, a cake that didn't rise and things of that order. > In research it is not about "if you can't say something nice don't say it" > In research it is all about *Truth otherwise it is Fraud* > > Although his delivery tends to be rough It Truly seems like he just wants > protect you and others from throwing away huge sums of money on this sort of > thing and to help you understand the importance of accuracy. There are > those poor souls out there who pay BIG bucks to have some phony bunch of > heraldic papers given to them. The Italian Government has closed down 3 of > them within the past 2 years, one in Roma and two in Firenze, for fraud in > the millions$$. > > Purchasing a cute little pillow or piece of paper won't hurt anyone, if it > stops there, but it is important to be truthful to oneself and to keep > truthful records for future generations. Genealogy research is a little > like bookkeeping. One may wish to believe they have thus and such but it is > important to truly "count the beans" (so to speak). An honest Inventory is > not wishful thinking...just the facts. > > Simply put: Many people share the same surname as some person way, way, way > back in time who was raised to the ranks of nobility because of something he > did for the King or the Pope or the Holy Roman Emperor. When he died or > retired even his eldest son would need *approval* from the monarch (or > someone in charge) in order to have the Title and Family Crest passed on > down to him. The younger boys did not get it (unless the eldest son died) > and the girls did not in most cases. Some sovereigns and titled people were > women only because there were no male heirs and a special dispensation was > granted. > > Most people who share those surnames worked at the castle...they didn't own > it. Plus many "so called" Family Crests, like the ones Frank F found on > > "thisisfake" and "ripoff". They had crests for all four names. > > Never existed and are Totally Fake. > > Maybe you will feel better if you do as the English (?) woman who posts here > does (the one with the Italian husbands surname) as she said... > do it for "fun" . in your "genie room" > > Best wishes, > Paula

I hope this reaches the right person. I recently lost all of my information, files, and email addresses. I'm trying to find Jane from England, who I corresponded with by emails about genealogy and her Italian research. Please email me! Thank you, Tina danta70@earthlink.net

On 19 May 2002 21:25:55 -0600, HeyItsDebV@msn.com (Deborah Vivona) wrote: >I could be cross stitching a pattern of flowers in Italy in a couple weeks...but I Choose to cross stitch on what someone says is my VIVONA family crest...and I choose for it to still bring me joy! > Of course you have a perfect right to do as you choose, and I support that. I think that others, myself included, have a perfect right to alert those who may not be experienced enough to know that Genealogy is an area where crooks and charlatans hide around many corners waiting to take people's hard earned money. Of course you know that, having told us that you have delt with these types in the past. So while I apologised in advance for bursting anyone's bubble, I don't think you can say that I damaged yours at all. Personally, I find genealogy one of the most pleasurable and rewarding things I can be involved in as a member of the human race. My bubble, if you will, consists of the absolute joy in locating the marriage record of another set of 7th or 8th great grandparents; perhaps meeting someone on line, comparing notes then finding that the person is an actual relative; meeting a fellow researcher and learning that they can add another generation to one of my lines, or I can add to their work. The absolute joys in my bubble are so real, so tangible, that I can't even imagine being happy dealing with fraud. I would suggest that you could take any money you may be tempted to blow in the future and buy a couple of bags of groceries for a needy family as a memorial to your ancestors. Also, if the crest thing is so important to you, then take some elements from your families history and make your own. Get some help from a commercial artist or other professional if you need it. The result would be real, something made by an actual family member (you) and that you could be proud of and share with others in the family. Frank F.

"Thank you" for your time and efforts in educating me on frauds of family crests. I agree with what you have said. I, too, enjoy genealogy...I must take after my German-Polish father and my English-Irish mother, both sides having recorded family records from many generations back. My parents had no desire to ever sit in front of a computer until a couple weeks ago when I showed them the many genealogy web sites we have at our finger tips and at our disposal. Now both sides of my family can't wait for me to see what additional info I can find for them.....so far I had only worked on my husbands Sicilian/Italian family, the VIVONAs and the GRECOs. I just started on my research in January, since then I have found info that my husbands family did not know such as the Great-Grandmother and her daughters that came thru Ellis Island....I have every birth, marriage and death certificate of every person from my daughter Emilia to the Great-Grandfather Rosario,1856, so to request the duel citizenship for my daughter to live her life in Italy after marriage there. I have never worked so intently a! nd so long at anything in my life and had more fun doing so! My in-laws weep with joy at every old record I find and show them. I have met more kind and helpful people on line that I LOVE than at church! As weird as it sounds, it is as if all of my family ancestors at times are leading me to my roots (and my daughters)....it is just too weird, that both my husband and I just knew we were to name our daughter Emilia and that she would someday marry and live in the region of EMILIA-Romagna...and that Emilia would grow up from a very early age yearning to draw ITALY and from middle school on through high school go to Italy on school trips and constantly be taken as an Italian by the people from there( in Napoli, she was stopped more than once by the locals and said you look like one of us???? She would always say " my paternal Grandmother was from here!"....then to meet an Italian Air Force pilot in OKLAHOMA...to then become engaged to now be planning to live her future lif! e in Italy , does feel like destiny leading us! My joys are very real and tangible, too, as I hold the great-great grandparents marriage application for license that not a single aged relative had ever seen...every spare dime has been spent in obtaining these old records. As I am working with the Italian Embassy in Houston and have been asked to get an APOSTILLE on every record I have just obtained which means sending each record back to the state that it originated from and requesting that States Secretary to declare it valid and to place that States seal on it...costing $10.00-$25.00 per certificate...I now have as of today every document needed to request duel citizenship for my husband and daughter as my husband's great-Grandfather never requested or gained citizenship in the US. So....I have no money to blow... as you suggested...(and I do give to the needy whenever I can... and I have 3 in college...sometimes I am the needy one! I am the mom with the holey socks....(smile). I love your idea of creating our own family crest...and since Emilia is a college degree commercial artist and sales her ITALIAN art professionally, what a great thing for the two of us to work on together while in Italy next week! I wish I had heard about the CREST Fraud before I had wasted my money, but maybe thru my naivety others now be aware of it. On other Lists, we, the new ones to genealogy, call you and the others , the" WISE Ones"....I, "thank you" for all you know and teach to beginners like myself! Ciao! to you all...wish me luck and a prayer for our safe trip to Italy....I will miss, you ,that teach me! God bless you all. Sincerely, Deb V.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Deborah, Thank you for the kind words, and I hope your trip to Italy is wonderful, and fruitful. There is a misunderstanding as to my Nationality, however. I am plain old American, Southern born (we say "By the Grace of God"), but AMERICAN, in Capital letters! I have mostly, English lines, myself, with a sprinkling of German and French, that I am sure of. My husband is the Italian, and I am the only one in the family who cares where they came from, enough to do research anyway. I have been married to him for 44 yrs abt, and you can absorb a lot of Italian culture in that time. Ha! Plus I have done my, and others, families for 30+ years. Research is in my blood, whatever it is. I love it. Take care, and make that cross stitch nice. Wish I could do that! Carleen Carnivale

In a small town called " Santa Maria Del Cedro " in Cosenza, Calabria, I am looking for any people that know of the CAMPILONGO's, or in all of Calabria ???