Wow, so many Italian movies on TV. It's just a pity they are all quite old. I know the TV is just for classics, but some newer ones would have been a good choice to stay updated. Sure, Italian cinema isn't as good now as it probably was in the 50's, but it still produces some good movie from times to times ;) (Gabriele Salvatores' "Mediterraneo" and Roberto Benigni's "La vita è bella", for instance) Ciao, Fabio

A couple of suggestions: 1. Try to obtain a death certificate for your great grandmother, it may offer the town she was born in. Also obtain yourr great grandfather's death certificate. 2. Have you tried the online Italian Phone Directory or http://gens.labo.net/ to check a surname distribution in Italy. I would not normally consider either of these two sources definitive in and of themselves, however as a tool to get you to the right town for research, it may be helpful. 3. From your message it would appear we have the choice of Gottimarty (if phonetically accurate then probably not the correct spelling) I am not familiar with any Italian names ending in "Y" and Cadamatia. Take a look at those documents once again. Which one is newer? My thought is the one which is newer would be the Certificate that is probably more accurate because perhaps your great grandmother learned to speak broken English or a child who was now being educated in American schools might have served to translate the information that was being reported. One might the presume (something you don't usually do in genealogy) that the second or most recent certificate is the most accurate. Just a couple of fresh thoughts on your dilemma. Best of Luck in your search, Vicky vas575@aol.com << Vince wrote: > I am having a problem in trying to find out my great grand mother's maiden > name. > On her son's birth certificate it is recorded as Gottimarty but on another > certificate it is recorded as Cadamatia. Bearing in mind the fact that she > could not read or write I imagine that the English registrar wrote down what > he thought he heard when confronted with an unusual name in a thick Italian > accent. > I have tried researching these names with no success. > Can anybody make any suggestion to what her name might of been. > The only other information I have is that she may of came from the Genoa > region of Italy. > > Many thanks > Vince >>

Regina Gualco <rgualco@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:69ebca27bf98ccf1e739367134460032.8736@mygate.mailgate.org.. [snip] > Il libro d'argento dei cittadini di Venezia e del Veneto: > (Il libro d'argento delle famiglie venete nobili, cittadine e popolari) > by Giovanni Dolcetti > > Regina [snip] Thanks for the citations. This is just what I need.

I can't go to Italy, anybody can help me ??? Thanx -- -- http://www.geneaweb.org/lo0ping Genealogie.LS@netcourrier.com Patronymes de ma généalogie : SANGALLI, MOLINA, ROCCA, PORCEL, MALVESTITI, PARRA, BERTRAND, PARRAL, VIALARET, POUZENS, MOULET --

Forgive me for taking so much space on this list this time but Bein .we can,t send attach .I wanted you all to know about Italian Month on Turner classis tv.Ch.69 June 7 7:00 PM CDT CDT My Voyage to Italy (1999) Director Martin Scorsese exAM CDTines the glorious history of Italian cinema in this definitive film study.Martin Scorsese. BW & C 246m. 11:15 PM CDT CDT The Bicycle Thief (1948) A working man's livelihood is threatened when someone steals his bicycle. LAM CDTberto Maggiorani, Enzo Staiola, Lianella Carell. D: Vittorio De Sica. BW 89m. June 8 Saturday 2:00 AM CDT Umberto D. (1952) A retiree copes with the realities of old age. Carlo Batista, Maria Pia Castillo, Lina Gennari. D: Vittorio de Sica. BW 89m. 2:45 AM CDT The Children are Watching Us (1942) A child's world collapses when his mother runs off with her lover. Emilio Cigoli, Luciano De AM CDTbrosis, Isa Poli. D: Vittorio De Sica. BW 79m. 4:30AM CDT The Wide Blue Road (1956) A fisherman and his young sons fight the sea off the Dalmation Coast. Yves Montand, Alida Valli, Francisco Rabal. D: Gillo Pontecorvo. C 99m. LBX CC June 14 Friday 7:00 PM CDT CDT Open City (1946) Towards the end of WWII, Italian underground workers stand up to the Nazis. Aldo Fabrizi, Anna Magnani, Marcello Pagliero. D: Roberto Rossellini BW 102m. 8:45 PM CDT CDT Paisan (1946) Short vignettes reveal personal effects of the Allied invasion of Italy. D. Johnson, Maria Michi, Harriet Medin. D: Roberto Rosselini. 120m. June 15 Saturday 12:00 AM CDT ( ) D: 0m.???? 12:30 AM CDT Stromboli (1950) A refugee marries a Sicilian fisherman but can't cope with the harshness of her new life. Ingrid Bergman, Mario Vitale, Renzo Cesana. D: Roberto Rossellini. BW 107m. 2:30 AM CDT The Last Days of Pompeii (1913) A corrupt priest tries to steal a young innocent from her true love. Fernando Negri, Urbaldo Stefani, Eugenio Tettoni. D: Mario Caserini. 90m. 4:00 AM CDT Cabiria (1914) A Roman spy tries to save a kidnapped girl from a bloodthirsty religious cult. Italia Almirante-Manzini, Lidia Quaranta, Umberto Mozzato. D: Giovanni Pastrone. 123m. June 16 Sunday 11:00PM CDT CDT The Last Days of Pompeii (1913) A corrupt priest tries to steal a young innocent from her true love. Fernando Negri, Urbaldo Stefani, Eugenio Tettoni. D: Mario Caserini. 90m. June 21 Friday 7:00 PM CDT CDT Ossessione (1942) A restaurant owner's wife and her lover plot to kill her husband. Clara CalAM CDTai, Massimo Girotti, Dhia Cristiani. D: Luchino Visconti. 142m. 9:30 PM CDT CDT La Terra Trema (1947) Poor Sicilian fishermen fight to escape exploitation by the wholesalers who control the market. Luchino Visconti, Antonio Pietrangeli, Antonio Arcidiacono. D: Luchino Visconti. 160m. June 22 Saturday 12:30 AM CDT Senso (1954) As a war rages, an Italian countess leaves her husband for an Austrian officer. Alida Valli, Farley Granger, Massimo Girotti. D: Luchino Visconti. C 117m. 2:30 AM CDT Rocco And His Brothers (1960) When a widow's fAM CDTily moves to the big city, two of her sons become romantic rivals, with deadly results. Alain Delon, Renato Salvatori, Annie Giradot. D: Luchino Visconti. 175m. 23 Sunday 7:00 PM CDT CDT My Voyage to Italy (1999) Director Martin Scorsese exAM CDTines the glorious history of Italian cinema in this definitive film study. Martin Scorsese. BW & C 246m. 11:15 PM CDT CDT Cabiria (1914) A Roman spy tries to save a kidnapped girl from a bloodthirsty religious cult. Italia Almirante-Manzini, Lidia Quaranta, Umberto Mozzato. D: Giovanni Pastrone. 123m. June 28 Friday 7:00 PM CDT CDT 8 1/2 (1963) A world-fAM CDTous film director juggles his romantic relationships while trying to come up with an idea for his next picture. Marcello Mastroianni, Claudia Cardinale, Anouk Aimee. D: Federico Fellini. BW 138m. LBX 9:30 PM CDT CDT La Strada (1954) A traveling strong man buys a peasant girl to be his wife and co-star. Giulietta Masina, Anthony Quinn, Richard Basehart. D: Federico Fellini. BW 107m. June 29 Saturday 11:30 PM CDT CDT The White Sheik (1952) Newlyweds are driven apart by the wife's infatuation with a comic strip hero. Alberto Sordi, Brunella Bovo, Giulietta Masina. D: Federico Fellini. BW 84m. 1:00 AM CDT The Iron Crown (1941) A corrupt medieval ruler courts disaster when he ignores the legends surrounding his crown. Massimo Girotti, Gino Cervo, Elisa Cegani. D: Alessandro Blassetti. BW 97m. 2:45 AM CDT L'Avventura (1960) When an heiress vanishes on a remote island, her best friend and fiance search for her. Monica Vitti, Gabriele Ferzetti, Lea Massari. D: Michelangelo Antonioni. BW & C 144m. 5:15 AM CDT La Notte (1961) A successful writer and his wife face themeaninglessness of their relationship during a night of wild partying.Marcello Mastroianni, Jeanne Moreau, Monica Vitti. D: Michelangelo Antonioni. BW 115m Have a nice Summer! Donna Mayor <swindling@aol.com> RootsWeb mailing lists: CIAVARELLA & FAGGIANELLI(A) surnames and the Italian regions of PUGLIA & PIEDMONT

i would like to thank each one who sent info on the BUFANO surname search i'm doing. it was very much appreciated! Teresa Clne

Steve Della Rocchetta <sdr12198@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<3CEFB870.D53DBBCF@pacbell.net>... > Hi Anthony > > That is to bad that the data has been destroyed. But remember that there > are also Civil Records that are available through the Mormon Church Family Dear Steve, Thanks for the info. I'm aware of the Civil Records being microfilmed by the LDS. I just want to explore any other route that can possibily be available. -Tony

Thanks for your suggestions Steve. I am planning on going to Italy in July and hope to visit some of the areas that my ancestors originated from, hence the reason for getting as much information as I can before I go. Sorry I don't live in London, I don't even live in England. I stay in 'Bonny Scotland', but if I can give you any information about your trip I would be happy to help Vince Steve Della Rocchetta <sdr12198@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:3CFA4878.4764114B@pacbell.net... > Hi Vince > > This genealogy searching is nothing more than detective work[never give > up is my motto]. If you keep digging you will find what you need. That > is assuming that the records in Italy were not destoryed in some way > War, Fire Floods etc. Most Italian research can be supported into the > early 1700's. We have with my Dad's family went to the mid 1700's and > Mom in progress to the late 1600's. May I say that researching 1 person > sometimes is more difficult as opposed to doing the whole family that > person just comes along with the natural research effort. > > My approach given me a long time ago by a pro. Talk to the living > cousins, aunts, uncles family friends etc. they always have some data. > Find what town she comes from. Then use the Mormon Church Family History > Library service they have the best data in the world today. > All their data is listed by town it contains Birth, Death,s & Marriages > and all are Civil Records. They have volunteers to help you and then you > can setup a logical plan to follow. I always include the internet in > searching as you will need all the resources possible. You live in the > UK if you find the town maybe take a holiday and go the the local > cemetary. We live in the US and did the same, along with all of the > other suggestions. Go to my family website http://www.dellarocchetta.com/ > and on the Favorite Links Page we have lots of search tools that can support > most of my above suggestions. > The Global & Italian Surname Navigator [ this site has the best Italian > Phone Book available] is great. Also the one that can let you know where > in Italy your name of interest lives today. There are too many to > memtion I have went on too long check it out. > > Do you live in London? We are going to visit there in late July. I have > a couple of questions as this is our first real visit. I was there for > business years ago. Let us know if you can help if not we understand > I hope this helps you > Ciao Steve and Ginny Della Rocchetta from Sunnyvale, California > > Vince wrote: > > > I am having a problem in trying to find out my great grand mother's maiden > > name. > > On her son's birth certificate it is recorded as Gottimarty but on another > > certificate it is recorded as Cadamatia. Bearing in mind the fact that she > > could not read or write I imagine that the English registrar wrote down what > > he thought he heard when confronted with an unusual name in a thick Italian > > accent. > > I have tried researching these names with no success. > > Can anybody make any suggestion to what her name might of been. > > The only other information I have is that she may of came from the Genoa > > region of Italy. > > > > Many thanks > > Vince >

> Specifically, I'm looking for an encyclopedia of noble families > residing in the Veneto region till the end of the 14th century Il libro d'argento dei cittadini di Venezia e del Veneto: (Il libro d'argento delle famiglie venete nobili, cittadine e popolari) by Giovanni Dolcetti Regina -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

Hi Vince This genealogy searching is nothing more than detective work[never give up is my motto]. If you keep digging you will find what you need. That is assuming that the records in Italy were not destoryed in some way War, Fire Floods etc. Most Italian research can be supported into the early 1700's. We have with my Dad's family went to the mid 1700's and Mom in progress to the late 1600's. May I say that researching 1 person sometimes is more difficult as opposed to doing the whole family that person just comes along with the natural research effort. My approach given me a long time ago by a pro. Talk to the living cousins, aunts, uncles family friends etc. they always have some data. Find what town she comes from. Then use the Mormon Church Family History Library service they have the best data in the world today. All their data is listed by town it contains Birth, Death,s & Marriages and all are Civil Records. They have volunteers to help you and then you can setup a logical plan to follow. I always include the internet in searching as you will need all the resources possible. You live in the UK if you find the town maybe take a holiday and go the the local cemetary. We live in the US and did the same, along with all of the other suggestions. Go to my family website http://www.dellarocchetta.com/ and on the Favorite Links Page we have lots of search tools that can support most of my above suggestions. The Global & Italian Surname Navigator [ this site has the best Italian Phone Book available] is great. Also the one that can let you know where in Italy your name of interest lives today. There are too many to memtion I have went on too long check it out. Do you live in London? We are going to visit there in late July. I have a couple of questions as this is our first real visit. I was there for business years ago. Let us know if you can help if not we understand I hope this helps you Ciao Steve and Ginny Della Rocchetta from Sunnyvale, California Vince wrote: > I am having a problem in trying to find out my great grand mother's maiden > name. > On her son's birth certificate it is recorded as Gottimarty but on another > certificate it is recorded as Cadamatia. Bearing in mind the fact that she > could not read or write I imagine that the English registrar wrote down what > he thought he heard when confronted with an unusual name in a thick Italian > accent. > I have tried researching these names with no success. > Can anybody make any suggestion to what her name might of been. > The only other information I have is that she may of came from the Genoa > region of Italy. > > Many thanks > Vince

Caro Joao Henrique Rettore Totaro Click: http://www.auxilio-a-lista.com.br Nella mappa di scatto di Brasile in "RS" ed aprirà http://www.auxilio-a-lista.com.br/frameset.htm?listasdaqui.htm Scrivere appena il "nome" di grafico col (Rettore o Totaro o Oliveri) e niente più. Saranno ottenuti i fatti completi e gli indirizzi di tutti il che sono degli abbonati dal Brasile Telecom, senza considerare altro caso in Brasile. Cordiale salutazone, José Bento Alves Lisboa Estrázulas (spagnuolo di Strazzulla, - Augusta/Sicilia - Italia, a procura di dado di genealogia) Porto Alegre/Rio Grande do Sul - BRASIL ===================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joao Henrique Rettore Totaro" <rettore@lycos.com> To: <GEN-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: Rettore, Totaro, Oliveri > Hello, everyone ! 8) > > I'm looking for info about the Italian emigrants of the families > Rettore, Totaro and Oliveri, especially those who left Italy after > 1875 and went to Argentina / Brazil. Also, any information about their > relatives who remained in Italy would be helpful. > > Thanks in advance, > > Joao H. Rettore Totaro. > > "Itinerarium mentis in Deum."

My Great Grandmother was the wife of Giovanni Lagorio. Known in England as Catherine, she was possibly christened Catorina. I am unsure of her maiden surname (Gottimarty, Cadamatia have been found on records but this could be what the English Registrar thought he heard for Cademartori ) She died in 1909 aged 81 years and would have came to Britian around 1860- 1865 and was probbably married when she arrived here. Her husband, Giovanni, fought in the Crimia war, 1854 to 1856 ( We have a medal with '6th RegimentoDei Fantoria' on it) and came from Chiavri. I have information about them in Britian but would love to find out about them in Italy. Vince Margie Papa <nicola1902@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:20020602002916.99463.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com... > Vince, what was her first name and do you have any > idea of the time/date she arrived? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >

Hello, everyone ! 8) I'm looking for info about the Italian emigrants of the families Rettore, Totaro and Oliveri, especially those who left Italy after 1875 and went to Argentina / Brazil. Also, any information about their relatives who remained in Italy would be helpful. Thanks in advance, Joao H. Rettore Totaro. "Itinerarium mentis in Deum."

On 31 May 2002 17:29:40 -0600, nicola1902@yahoo.com (Margie Papa) wrote: >I had the same problem Vince! My mother grew up >with her gradparents living next door as they came >here in the late 1890s when my granmother was 6. I >looked up her obituary in the paper. Not only did >it have her 'birth' name--Italians and many other >nationalities don't have maiden names -that is an >american thing---but it had the names of her >parents in Italy!! I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense! Why wouldn't women have a maiden (surname) name? Regards JF P.S. In Italy women get to keep their maiden name throughout their married life! > > >--- Vince <vpicozzi@NOSPAMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> I am having a problem in trying to find out my >> great grand mother's maiden >> name. >> On her son's birth certificate it is recorded as >> Gottimarty but on another >> certificate it is recorded as Cadamatia. Bearing >> in mind the fact that she >> could not read or write I imagine that the >> English registrar wrote down what >> he thought he heard when confronted with an >> unusual name in a thick Italian >> accent. >> I have tried researching these names with no >> success. >> Can anybody make any suggestion to what her name >> might of been. >> The only other information I have is that she may >> of came from the Genoa >> region of Italy. >> >> Many thanks >> Vince >> >> >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion >> online genealogy records, go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

I wrote what I was thinking-not what anyone would understand obviously....I MEANT that they don't CALL it a 'maiden' name....and YES the name a woman is born with in Italy is her L E G A L name throughout her lifetime. --- JF <falcoNOSPAM@zip.com.au> wrote: > On 31 May 2002 17:29:40 -0600, > nicola1902@yahoo.com (Margie Papa) > wrote: > Not only > did > >it have her 'birth' name--Italians and many > other > >nationalities don't have maiden names -that is > an > >american thing---but it had the names of her > >parents in Italy!! > > I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense! > Why wouldn't women have a maiden (surname) name? > > Regards > JF > > P.S. > In Italy women get to keep their maiden name > throughout their married life! > > > > > > > > >--- Vince <vpicozzi@NOSPAMblueyonder.co.uk> > wrote: > >> I am having a problem in trying to find out my > >> great grand mother's maiden > >> name. > >> On her son's birth certificate it is recorded > as > >> Gottimarty but on another > >> certificate it is recorded as Cadamatia. > Bearing > >> in mind the fact that she > >> could not read or write I imagine that the > >> English registrar wrote down what > >> he thought he heard when confronted with an > >> unusual name in a thick Italian > >> accent. > >> I have tried researching these names with no > >> success. > >> Can anybody make any suggestion to what her > name > >> might of been. > >> The only other information I have is that she > may > >> of came from the Genoa > >> region of Italy. > >> > >> Many thanks > >> Vince > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 > billion > >> online genealogy records, go to: > >> > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

I did a surname search and note that Cademartori is most common in the area of Liguria that my Great Grandfather came from, ie Chiavari. So Cademartori is a possibility although I don't know how I can verify it but I gives me something to work on. Many thanks Vince. Francesino <francesino74@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:wt7K8.5728$QT3.139559@twister2.libero.it... > There is a pretty rare italian surname "Cadamartori / Cademartori" that > could maybe fit... Good luck, > > H. > > "Vince" <vpicozzi@NOSPAMblueyonder.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:WcTJ8.7008$D56.50862353@news-text.cableinet.net... > > I am having a problem in trying to find out my great grand mother's maiden > > name. > > On her son's birth certificate it is recorded as Gottimarty but on another > > certificate it is recorded as Cadamatia. Bearing in mind the fact that > she > > could not read or write I imagine that the English registrar wrote down > what > > he thought he heard when confronted with an unusual name in a thick > Italian > > accent. > > I have tried researching these names with no success. > > Can anybody make any suggestion to what her name might of been. > > The only other information I have is that she may of came from the Genoa > > region of Italy. > > > > Many thanks > > Vince > > > > > >

Thanks for the offer Steve but scanning the documents wouldn't help as the writing is fairly clear. I was hoping (I knew it was a long shot) that someone might recognise the similarity in pronunciation to an actual Italian surname. Vince Steve Della Rocchetta <sdr12198@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:3CF812C3.4F435490@pacbell.net... > Hi Vince > > I have tried but with no luck. You might try this scan the documents and send > them to the forum and see if one of us can make out the handwriting. If the > forum can not except the document send it to me and maybe I can help no > guarantees also no charge. > I thought of one more site that might help www.ellisislandrecords.org. > > Ciao Steve > > Vince wrote: > > > I am having a problem in trying to find out my great grand mother's maiden > > name. > > On her son's birth certificate it is recorded as Gottimarty but on another > > certificate it is recorded as Cadamatia. Bearing in mind the fact that she > > could not read or write I imagine that the English registrar wrote down what > > he thought he heard when confronted with an unusual name in a thick Italian > > accent. > > I have tried researching these names with no success. > > Can anybody make any suggestion to what her name might of been. > > The only other information I have is that she may of came from the Genoa > > region of Italy. > > > > Many thanks > > Vince >

Specifically, I'm looking for an encyclopedia of noble families residing in the Veneto region till the end of the 14th century (i.e., something similar to Spretti's "Enciclopedia storico-nobiliare italiana" or Crollalanza's "Dizionario storico-blasonico," but specifically for Veneto). It would be nice to find a web-site with this type of info, but it's probably not likely. Thanks for any assistance.

Helen I just check a photograph of the tomb of my aunt who died in Italy. You are correct. It had her maiden name Immacolata Santoro and under it "ved. Danzi" her married name. Mike Setaro

There are 24 exact matches of this surname on the EI site..several from the area you speak of..Chiavari and Genoa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com