On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:44:18 GMT, XXXparrif_ibbXXX@yahoo.com (Fabio Parri) wrote: >"The children has raised" Uhm, sorry, I meant "The children have raised" ;)

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:56:40 GMT, "Maria Pedersen" <jungeltelegrafen@_fjern_hotmail.com> wrote: >Erected?? >Does it mean that it's the deceased's children who has raised the >gravestone? Yep literally it means: "The children has raised"

I have the entire ships manifest for the SS Liguria that went from Palermo to New Orleans it docked 07 Oct 1910, If any oe wants me to check it for a name, and the information, I will be happy to do it. If you know the commune they came from, it is helpful, some of the names are had to read and I can work backwards... The manifest tells the age of the person, where they came from how much money they had on them, who was meetng them and their address, the profession, wheather they read and wrote. etc. Joni Josaun@webtv.net http://www.picks.tv/texandy/charter.html

Fabio Parri <XXXparrif_ibbXXX@yahoo.com> skrev i news:3d5b5f5f.30324334@News.CIS.DFN.DE | On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:49:45 GMT, "Maria Pedersen" | <jungeltelegrafen@_fjern_hotmail.com> wrote: | | >I saw this phrase on a grave stone (tombstone?), "I figli posero". What does | >it mean? | | It means "erected by the deceased's children" Erected?? Does it mean that it's the deceased's children who has raised the gravestone? Maria

Yes, I'm afraid so. I can't tell you how many times people have been surprised because they think I don't "look Italian". And how many, many people have asked me if my relatives belong the the Mafia. I think the problem isn't as bad as it used to be, but it cetainly still exists. Pat Ederson Tortelli wrote: > Why in the most of the movies the USA italian people are with black > hair, quiff like Elvis Presley, fat, etc? At last, they have many > similarity. > > Is there any discrimination about italian people in the USA? > > I´m from brazil.

Looking for relatives of Ferdinando Morabito of Cittanova, Calabria. He was the son of Michael and Teresa (Calipa) born on August 8, 1898. He immigrated to America on July 4, 1922 on the Colombo out of Naples.He had three brothers: Antonio(Tony), Carlo(charlie), and a younger brother, Michael, (who passed away as a young man). He was first married to Frances Donato in New York. Together, they had two sons, Michael and Rocco. After Frances' death, he married my grandmother, Mary (Emmaculatta) Gozzi. She was the daughter of Antonio and Rose (Razzo) she was born on 12/29/05. She came to New York with her mother, and two brothers, Patsy and Louis, on February 9, 1911. My grandparents lived and died in Port Chester, NY Anyone who has information on my family please contact me at davidmorabito@yahoo.com. Grazie.

Hello Alberto, Thank you very much for the time that you pass for my research. You are right, it will be difficult to find something on Otto de Mari! Cordialement Hélène "Alberto Forcheri" <albafor@yahoo.it> a écrit dans le message de news: ajj4f9$1c018d$1@ID-84984.news.dfncis.de... > > "GRAGLIA francis" <fgraglia@club-internet.fr> wrote in message > news:3d5ccc5c$0$11799$7a628cd7@news.club-internet.fr... > > Bonjour, > > > But where did Otto pass? > > Yet, he existed, that I am sure, we had a picture of him in the family. > He > > was Consul of State in 1122. Perhaps he did not make significant things, > for > > that he is not in the books? > >------------------------------------------- > > In the same book of Epstein (Pg 34) there is written that " After the first > known consuls, the compagna was restablished in 1102 with four consuls > chosen for four years. This process was repeated ... until 1122, when the > consuls began to serve one-year terms. Caffaro himself served as consul in > 1122 .... Because no autobiographical detail survive about these early > consuls except from Caffaro, ...." it might be difficult to find something > about Otto (Ottonis, Otonis), if consul of Genoa. > >

"GRAGLIA francis" <fgraglia@club-internet.fr> wrote in message news:3d5ccc5c$0$11799$7a628cd7@news.club-internet.fr... > Bonjour, > But where did Otto pass? > Yet, he existed, that I am sure, we had a picture of him in the family. He > was Consul of State in 1122. Perhaps he did not make significant things, for > that he is not in the books? >------------------------------------------- In the same book of Epstein (Pg 34) there is written that " After the first known consuls, the compagna was restablished in 1102 with four consuls chosen for four years. This process was repeated ... until 1122, when the consuls began to serve one-year terms. Caffaro himself served as consul in 1122 .... Because no autobiographical detail survive about these early consuls except from Caffaro, ...." it might be difficult to find something about Otto (Ottonis, Otonis), if consul of Genoa.

Some marriages that may help: Aiguina De Mari married Christiano Spinola (died about 1330) Diana De Mari married Gianettino Spinola (died 1558) Peretta De Mari married Domenico Doria (died 1482) Pietra De Mari married Filippo Doria Sescarina De Mari married Giovanni Doria Stefano De Mari married Veronica Grimaldi ) Daughter Lilla De Mari married Alessandro Palavicini (1698 - 1762) (Son Marquis Giovanni Carlo Palavicini) Teodorina De Mari married Arano Cybo (1377 - 1457) Teressa De Mari (died 1833) married 1801 Lorenzo Centurione Scotto (1763-1838) Teressa De Mari (died 1689) married Ottaviano Di Medici (1660-1710) Dr. George Tsambourakis 343 Major's Line Road Tooborac, Victoria 3522, Australia eachway@ozemail.com.au "Marielle de Mari" <mar@demari.nl> wrote in message news:0EU69.137114$uV1.10086612@zwoll1.home.nl... > Ciao Fabio > > Nosy person as you are ;-)) > Sure Helene and i will keep you informed about our findings concerning the > famiglia De Mari . > It would be awesome to find out Helene and i are related wouldn't it ?! > > But back to the original question: count Otto De Mari > Any information about this person ? > > Bacioni a te > Marielle > > >

Bonjour, Thank you Alberto, you worked much for me, the information that you give me are useful for me. But where did Otto pass? Yet, he existed, that I am sure, we had a picture of him in the family. He was Consul of State in 1122. Perhaps he did not make significant things, for that he is not in the books? Sorry for my English Cordialement Hélène "Alberto Forcheri" <albafor@yahoo.it> a écrit dans le message de news: ajicve$1bhvf2$1@ID-84984.news.dfncis.de... > > "Fabio Parri" <XXXparrif_ibbXXX@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:3d5b8f5b.42607666@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:30:27 +0200, "GRAGLIA francis" > > <fgraglia@club-internet.fr> wrote: > > > >................... > > Aree your De Mari ancestor and Marielle's relatives ? I ask as his > > ancestors seem to be from Genua, so I'm just curious :) > > From ""GENOA & THE GENOESE" by Steven A. Epstein: > > Pg 21 - "A late document of 1256 supplied the names of those Genoese > families that traced their noble roots back to the viscounts of the eleventh > century. ...... The noble families included ........ de Mari .... and many > others. " > Pg 75 - "The family of the viscounts of Genoa had split into three main > branches; the Carmandino, de Insulis (delle Isole), and Manesseno lines. The > Carmandino line included the families of Avvocato, Lusio, Pevere, de Mari > Serra and Usodimare." > Pg 107 - "The Pevere and de Mari descended from the viscounts of Carmandino, > and they vould be leaders of the imperial fraction in the city, ...." > Pg 86 - "The year 1187 .... on 16 February, Lanfranco, the son of Giacomo de > Turca, one of the consuls, assassinated another consul, Angelo de Mari." > Pg 115 - " .... Guglielmo de Mari, the son of Angelo de Mari whom Laanfranco > de Turca had assassinated back in 1187, gathered a coalition of malcontents: > some nobles, many popolo and .... occupied houses and towers of Ingone .... > " " ... the podestà ... firmly ordered these rebels to submit to his > authority. For some reason de Mari backed down ... he swore to obey ..., but > ..." " ... in November de Mari's compagna was dissolved, .." "Guglielmo's > brother Ansaldo later became admiral under Frederic II and commander of the > imperial naval forces attacking Genoa ..." > .............................. >

Bonjour, Thank you very much, Alberto Forcheri and Dr.George Tsambourakis. It is formidable ! Très cordialement Hélène "GeeTee" <eachway@ozemail.com.au> a écrit dans le message de news: xR%69.13357$Cq.534457@ozemail.com.au... > Some marriages that may help: > > Aiguina De Mari married Christiano Spinola (died about 1330) > Diana De Mari married Gianettino Spinola (died 1558) > Peretta De Mari married Domenico Doria (died 1482) > Pietra De Mari married Filippo Doria > Sescarina De Mari married Giovanni Doria > Stefano De Mari married Veronica Grimaldi ) Daughter Lilla De Mari married > Alessandro Palavicini (1698 - 1762) (Son Marquis Giovanni Carlo Palavicini) > > Teodorina De Mari married Arano Cybo (1377 - 1457) > Teressa De Mari (died 1833) married 1801 Lorenzo Centurione Scotto > (1763-1838) > Teressa De Mari (died 1689) married Ottaviano Di Medici (1660-1710) > > > Dr. George Tsambourakis > 343 Major's Line Road > Tooborac, Victoria 3522, Australia > eachway@ozemail.com.au > "Marielle de Mari" <mar@demari.nl> wrote in message > news:0EU69.137114$uV1.10086612@zwoll1.home.nl... > > Ciao Fabio > > > > Nosy person as you are ;-)) > > Sure Helene and i will keep you informed about our findings concerning the > > famiglia De Mari . > > It would be awesome to find out Helene and i are related wouldn't it ?! > > > > But back to the original question: count Otto De Mari > > Any information about this person ? > > > > Bacioni a te > > Marielle > > > > > > > >

"Alberto Forcheri" <albafor@yahoo.it> wrote in message news:ajicvf$1bhvf2$2@ID-84984.news.dfncis.de... > Sorry

"Fabio Parri" <XXXparrif_ibbXXX@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3d5b8f5b.42607666@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:30:27 +0200, "GRAGLIA francis" > <fgraglia@club-internet.fr> wrote: > >................... > Aree your De Mari ancestor and Marielle's relatives ? I ask as his > ancestors seem to be from Genua, so I'm just curious :) From ""GENOA & THE GENOESE" by Steven A. Epstein: Pg 21 - "A late document of 1256 supplied the names of those Genoese families that traced their noble roots back to the viscounts of the eleventh century. ...... The noble families included ........ de Mari .... and many others. " Pg 75 - "The family of the viscounts of Genoa had split into three main branches; the Carmandino, de Insulis (delle Isole), and Manesseno lines. The Carmandino line included the families of Avvocato, Lusio, Pevere, de Mari Serra and Usodimare." Pg 107 - "The Pevere and de Mari descended from the viscounts of Carmandino, and they vould be leaders of the imperial fraction in the city, ...." Pg 86 - "The year 1187 .... on 16 February, Lanfranco, the son of Giacomo de Turca, one of the consuls, assassinated another consul, Angelo de Mari." Pg 115 - " .... Guglielmo de Mari, the son of Angelo de Mari whom Laanfranco de Turca had assassinated back in 1187, gathered a coalition of malcontents: some nobles, many popolo and .... occupied houses and towers of Ingone .... " " ... the podestà ... firmly ordered these rebels to submit to his authority. For some reason de Mari backed down ... he swore to obey ..., but ..." " ... in November de Mari's compagna was dissolved, .." "Guglielmo's brother Ansaldo later became admiral under Frederic II and commander of the imperial naval forces attacking Genoa ..." ..............................

"Fabio Parri" <XXXparrif_ibbXXX@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3d5b8f5b.42607666@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:30:27 +0200, "GRAGLIA francis" > <fgraglia@club-internet.fr> wrote: > >................... > Aree your De Mari ancestor and Marielle's relatives ? I ask as his > ancestors seem to be from Genua, so I'm just curious :) From ""GENOA & THE GENOESE" by Steven A. Epstein: Pg 21 - "A late document of 1256 supplied the names of those Genoese families that traced their noble roots back to the viscounts of the eleventh century. ...... The noble families included ........ de Mari .... and many others. " Pg 75 - "The family of the viscounts of Genoa had split into three main branches; the Carmandino, de Insulis (delle Isole), and Manesseno lines. The Carmandino line included the families of Avvocato, Lusio, Pevere, de Mari Serra and Usodimare." Pg 107 - "The Pevere and de Mari descended from the viscounts of Carmandino, and they vould be leaders of the imperial fraction in the city, ...." Pg 86 - "The year 1187 .... on 16 February, Lanfranco, the son of Giacomo de Turca, one of the consuls, assassinated another consul, Angelo de Mari." Pg 115 - " .... Guglielmo de Mari, the son of Angelo de Mari whom Laanfranco de Turca had assassinated back in 1187, gathered a coalition of malcontents: some nobles, many popolo and .... occupied houses and towers of Ingone .... " " ... the podestà ... firmly ordered these rebels to submit to his authority. For some reason de Mari backed down ... he swore to obey ..., but ..." " ... in November de Mari's compagna was dissolved, .." "Guglielmo's brother Ansaldo later became admiral under Frederic II and commander of the imperial naval forces attacking Genoa ..." ..............................

Ciao Fabio Nosy person as you are ;-)) Sure Helene and i will keep you informed about our findings concerning the famiglia De Mari . It would be awesome to find out Helene and i are related wouldn't it ?! But back to the original question: count Otto De Mari Any information about this person ? Bacioni a te Marielle

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"Fabio Parri" <XXXparrif_ibbXXX@yahoo.com> a icrit dans le message de news: 3d5b8f5b.42607666@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:30:27 +0200, "GRAGLIA francis" > <fgraglia@club-internet.fr> wrote: > > >Bonjour Fabio, > >Yes I know Marielle, we have worked together for 3 months and now we became > >friends. > >Cordialement > >Hilhne > > Bonjour Helene, > > Aree your De Mari ancestor and Marielle's relatives ? I ask as his > ancestors seem to be from Genua, so I'm just curious :) Bonjour Fabio We do not know if the Count Otto de Mari is our common ancestor, we continue to seek. I need more than information on the Count to have a proof. I will be really happy to learn that we are same branch. I think as you that these origins are of Genoa. Cordialement Hilhne

Hi Fabio, I took your advice and I sent a mail to the adress that you gave me. I keep you informed as soon as I have an answer. Thanks Audrey "Fabio Parri" <XXXparrif_ibbXXX@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 3d5b60e7.30716457@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:21:53 -0000, "audrey" > <audrey.salami@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > > >Hi Fabio, > > > >Someone told me to send a mail to the Secretario Generale of the Commune of > >Cremona. > > If I were you I would address directly to the > > 1) UFFICIO ANAGRAFE > via Ala Ponzone 32 > > or the > > 2) UFFICIO DI STATO CIVILE > c.so Vittorio Emanuele II 42 > > or better, I'd try sending an email to Cremona's State Archive: > > ascr@libero.it > or > direzione.ascr@libero.it > > I suspect the State Archive will be of better help than the comune. > > Ciao > > Fabio > > >So, I sent this mail at this adress : segretario.generale@comune.cremona.it > >Signor le Segretario Generale, > >Essendo nella ricerca dei membri della mia famiglia in Italia, desidero > >ottenere l'atto della famiglia del Alexandre Salami (o un atto di nascita > >con il nome dei genitori e fratelli e sorelle), riguardata il 11 febbraio > >1891 in Duemiglia. Come posso ottenerlo? > >Ringraziandoli, > > > >But I don't know if my Italian is comprehensible and I don't know if I > >addressed to the good person. Moreover, I had no answer ... > > > >thank you very much for your mails which help me a lot. > > > >Ciao > > > >Audrey

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:30:27 +0200, "GRAGLIA francis" <fgraglia@club-internet.fr> wrote: >Bonjour Fabio, >Yes I know Marielle, we have worked together for 3 months and now we became >friends. >Cordialement >Hélène Bonjour Helene, Aree your De Mari ancestor and Marielle's relatives ? I ask as his ancestors seem to be from Genua, so I'm just curious :)

"Fabio Parri" <XXXparrif_ibbXXX@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 3d5b62de.31218630@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:48:27 +0200, "GRAGLIA francis" > <fgraglia@club-internet.fr> wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I seek all information on my ancestor, the Count Otto de Mari. > >I know that he was an emisary of the King of Naples to Corsica (what they > >called a Console del Stato) In 1122 he moved to Corsica from Sicily. > >Can you help me? > > There's a Dutch woman called Marielle de Mari researching the De Mari > family. Are you already in contact with her ? > > Ciao, > > Fabio Bonjour Fabio, Yes I know Marielle, we have worked together for 3 months and now we became friends. Cordialement Hélène