I am looking for any information about an ancestor who was called FERDINANDO RITONDALE, who emigrate to Argentina and he was born in MAIERA, Italy, in 1854 aproximately, son of Pedro or PIETRO RITONDALE and MARIA TERESA MAGURNO or MANNA. If you have any information I apreciate it so much. Thanks to contact me
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:08:15 GMT, Steve Della Rocchetta <sdr12198@pacbell.net> wrote: What's the matter Steve? The rules bother you??? Benny >Enough > >Benny wrote: > >> Hey Gang, > >> See: >> >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~socgen/Italian.htm#charter >> [commercials] >> >> "Posts of a commercial nature pertaining to genealogy, such as >> companies which provide coats of arms and heraldry certificates, >> or that make inquiries on genealogies for a fee are best posted >> to soc.genealogy.marketplace. All other commericial posts are >> best sent to their appropriate newsgroup, this newsgroup is NOT >> the place. " (emphasis theirs) >> >> Benny >
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:18:59 GMT, benny@rbnwcz.net (Benny) wrote: >On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:56:06 -0700, Ted <badaboom@sysmatrix.net> >wrote: >>Hi Ruth, >>This newsgroup has been decimated by phonies and frauds for years. >>One individual in particular comes to mind. He has so many aliases >>that I am unable to keep up with all of them. He even goes so far as >>to post questions under an assumed name and then answers himself using >>one of his more popular assumed names. Take a lesson or two in >>reading message headers and you will soon learn his devious ways. And >>don't be fooled by messages that have their roots in foreign >>countries. He knows how to work that scam to death. I have posted >>this information in this newsgroup many times in the past. I don't >>really like to converse with someone who hides behind a cloak of >>deception. And I am sure others feel the same way. He's chased a lot >>of valuable posters away from this newsgroup, including some very >>knowledgeable posters from the "old country". >>Regards, > >Let's see. I openly oppose advertising on this news group (a subject I >feel very strongly about); I attempt to explain the very real and >important differences between a mailing list and a newsgroup, a >concept which few of you seem interested in eventhough your all >involved with those differences; I explain why it's not only dumb but >why nobody is obliged to use a real address in their posts. > >Evidently I am the only participant here who is not allowed to speak >what's on his mind. Several others, evidently, are well within the >bounds of propriety when they call me all sorts of names, accuse me of >decimating this newsgroup and of having all sorts of aliases among >other things. > >To date I have accused no one of anything nor called nobody names. I >simply disagreed with a woman who uses this forum to sell CDs. > >I read another newsgroup that has to do with a hobby. Because there >are no other gateways to that group, there are no lost souls who've >stumbled in having no idea where they are or what they are involved >in. There are hundreds of participants there all using "nick names" >and doctored email addresses. We all get along fine because there are >no lost souls who think they've subscribed to a mailing list. > >Teddy, you don't know me from Adam. If you think you do, throw out a >name. Lets see how far down your throat you can stick your own foot;-) > >Benny > >> Benny, or whomever you are, Please reread my post. You will not find any reference whatsoever to you. But if the shoe fits....... Many years ago in the fledgling years of newsgroups such as this one, mailing lists such as Comunes of Italy and PIE, there was a gentleman poster by the name of John Castagna. John would absolutely come unglued if you even attempted to post under a phony name or address. And if you did, he would tear you apart with posts that would make Larry Flynt blush. Too bad he doesn't lurk in these areas today. Ted Saselli/
Is their a List Administrator for this list server? If so please do something about this needless banter. I belong to other genealogy mailing lists sponsored by rootsweb and these participants would have been un subscribed and banned long ago for taking up space with flames and advertisements. --- Benny <benny@rbnwcz.net> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Had a little time and did some looking into the > history and charter of > soc.genealogy.italian. > > See: > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~socgen/Italian.htm#charter > > Now I realize it's 2002 and rules don't mean a lot > to some of us, but > on the other hand, for those of you for whom order, > rules and > conventions are the means by which you have been > lifted into a > civilized society, this site will be meaningful. > Please observe the > following quote found under,"FORBIDDEN SUBJECTS": > > What do you think Teddy, would a feller really need > an aliase to print > the truth? > > [commercials] > > "Posts of a commercial nature pertaining to > genealogy, such as > companies which provide coats of arms and heraldry > certificates, > or that make inquiries on genealogies for a fee are > best posted > to soc.genealogy.marketplace. All other commericial > posts are > best sent to their appropriate newsgroup, this > newsgroup is NOT > the place. " (emphasis theirs) > > Benny > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== James A. Mulligan, MS. Champaign, Illinois, USA jam.genealogy@att.net Searching ASH, BROWN, CAPRON, CARANCI, CHACE, ELGAR, ELLENBOGEN, GARD(I)NER, HAZARD, KARLING, KOERNER, LILLIBRIDGE, MEYER, MULLIGAN, ROBINSON, SHERMAN, TEFFT, VACCA. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute
Hi Gang Enough Benny wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Had a little time and did some looking into the history and charter of > soc.genealogy.italian. > > See: > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~socgen/Italian.htm#charter > > Now I realize it's 2002 and rules don't mean a lot to some of us, but > on the other hand, for those of you for whom order, rules and > conventions are the means by which you have been lifted into a > civilized society, this site will be meaningful. Please observe the > following quote found under,"FORBIDDEN SUBJECTS": > > What do you think Teddy, would a feller really need an aliase to print > the truth? > > [commercials] > > "Posts of a commercial nature pertaining to genealogy, such as > companies which provide coats of arms and heraldry certificates, > or that make inquiries on genealogies for a fee are best posted > to soc.genealogy.marketplace. All other commericial posts are > best sent to their appropriate newsgroup, this newsgroup is NOT > the place. " (emphasis theirs) > > Benny
Hey Gang, Had a little time and did some looking into the history and charter of soc.genealogy.italian. See: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~socgen/Italian.htm#charter Now I realize it's 2002 and rules don't mean a lot to some of us, but on the other hand, for those of you for whom order, rules and conventions are the means by which you have been lifted into a civilized society, this site will be meaningful. Please observe the following quote found under,"FORBIDDEN SUBJECTS": What do you think Teddy, would a feller really need an aliase to print the truth? [commercials] "Posts of a commercial nature pertaining to genealogy, such as companies which provide coats of arms and heraldry certificates, or that make inquiries on genealogies for a fee are best posted to soc.genealogy.marketplace. All other commericial posts are best sent to their appropriate newsgroup, this newsgroup is NOT the place. " (emphasis theirs) Benny
>From: benny@rbnwcz.net (Benny) >On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:56:06 -0700, Ted <badaboom@sysmatrix.net> >wrote: >>Hi Ruth, >>This newsgroup has been decimated by phonies and frauds for years. >>One individual in particular comes to mind. He has so many aliases >>that I am unable to keep up with all of them. He even goes so far as >>to post questions under an assumed name and then answers himself using >>one of his more popular assumed names. Take a lesson or two in >>reading message headers and you will soon learn his devious ways. And >>don't be fooled by messages that have their roots in foreign >>countries. He knows how to work that scam to death. I have posted >>this information in this newsgroup many times in the past. I don't >>really like to converse with someone who hides behind a cloak of >>deception. And I am sure others feel the same way. He's chased a lot >>of valuable posters away from this newsgroup, including some very >>knowledgeable posters from the "old country". >>Regards, > >Let's see. I openly oppose advertising on this news group (a subject I >feel very strongly about); I attempt to explain the very real and >important differences between a mailing list and a newsgroup, a >concept which few of you seem interested in eventhough your all >involved with those differences; I explain why it's not only dumb but >why nobody is obliged to use a real address in their posts. > "Benny," I'm well aware of the meaning of usenet, and really don't care what you call yourself. However, I do think it would be within usenet etiquette to maintain an identity on a group. And if you have done that, then Shirley has it all over you as a contributor. And I still hold that Shirley has given much more to this group than she's taken. You're outnumbered. Give it a rest. Jo Ann
On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:56:06 -0700, Ted <badaboom@sysmatrix.net> wrote: >Hi Ruth, >This newsgroup has been decimated by phonies and frauds for years. >One individual in particular comes to mind. He has so many aliases >that I am unable to keep up with all of them. He even goes so far as >to post questions under an assumed name and then answers himself using >one of his more popular assumed names. Take a lesson or two in >reading message headers and you will soon learn his devious ways. And >don't be fooled by messages that have their roots in foreign >countries. He knows how to work that scam to death. I have posted >this information in this newsgroup many times in the past. I don't >really like to converse with someone who hides behind a cloak of >deception. And I am sure others feel the same way. He's chased a lot >of valuable posters away from this newsgroup, including some very >knowledgeable posters from the "old country". >Regards, Let's see. I openly oppose advertising on this news group (a subject I feel very strongly about); I attempt to explain the very real and important differences between a mailing list and a newsgroup, a concept which few of you seem interested in eventhough your all involved with those differences; I explain why it's not only dumb but why nobody is obliged to use a real address in their posts. Evidently I am the only participant here who is not allowed to speak what's on his mind. Several others, evidently, are well within the bounds of propriety when they call me all sorts of names, accuse me of decimating this newsgroup and of having all sorts of aliases among other things. To date I have accused no one of anything nor called nobody names. I simply disagreed with a woman who uses this forum to sell CDs. I read another newsgroup that has to do with a hobby. Because there are no other gateways to that group, there are no lost souls who've stumbled in having no idea where they are or what they are involved in. There are hundreds of participants there all using "nick names" and doctored email addresses. We all get along fine because there are no lost souls who think they've subscribed to a mailing list. Teddy, you don't know me from Adam. If you think you do, throw out a name. Lets see how far down your throat you can stick your own foot;-) Benny >
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:05:39 +0000 (UTC), baberuth@worldnet.att.net ("Ruth Nerud") wrote: >Benny, how come you can send e-mails to this list and we can't reply to you >in private? Every time I write you, the e-mail comes back to me >undeliverable. > >Ruth Nerud >baberuth@worldnet.att.net > I thought some nice gentleman explained all this several months ago, that is the difference between a mailing list and a usenet newsgroup. I guess not everybody got the message. A mailing list is something that one subscribes to. You send in your name and email address so that you can get all the messages others generate. You get them in your email program's in box. You become one of a number of people who's email address is on a list of email addresses and you receive all the messages; thus the name, mailing list. This thing you are tuned into as you read this is NOT a mailing list. It is a usenet newsgroup, one of several thousands which is called soc.genealogy.italian. Now, RootsWeb and perhaps some other giant, corporate internet entities who like to put their name on everything on the web that has anything to do with genealogy, have created a gateway or front end that can make good old soc.genealogy.italian look just like a mailing list. People send in their email addresses and then get all the messages that are gathered by RootsWeb's software and emailed out to individuals. A terrible waste of time and resources. However, there are still hundreds of thousands, if not more, people who read these messages the way god intended them to be read. Anybody can send a message to any newsgroup via news reader software. Anybody can read the messages in any newsgroup simply by pointing their news reader software to the particular newsgroup. It is one of if not the oldest form of communications dating back to the infancy of the internet. All of this goes to the very heart of your accusation that I'm a fraud. Basically, Ruth, we have two groups of people reading these messages. Group one, the folks who enter through RootsWeb thinking they are subscribed to a mailing list because they get the messages via email. Group two, and I do not mean this in a negative way, are perhaps a little more knowledgeable. They point their news readers at a particular newsgroup, see all the headers of all the messages, choose the ones they wish to read and download them. Much quicker, cleaner and it uses infinitely less web resources than a mailing list, but it does not have RootsWebs name on it. So, they had to make it look like a mailing list so they could plaster their name all over it. Now the first group goes merrily about it's business thinking, "Mailing list". Group two knows it's one of the newsgroups which are notorious for being the number one place that the big, professional junk emailers collect email addresses to bombard with junk mail. These people literally have software and hardware called mail bots (as in robots) that harvests email addresses for their use. Group two folks know to never publish their correct email address in their return address. Maybe, and this is considered optional, they might put a doctored version of their address in their signature with instructions on what to change if somebody actually had to email them. Never, never, never in the return address. All of that works for me because I see usenet and newgroups as a public forum, and if anyone has something for me they would not say publicly I'd really rather not even hear it. Benny Reb
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:58:03 +0000 (UTC), jdiluvio@socket.net ("John & Sharon DiLuvio") wrote: >I don't take a very active part on this list. Forgive me for taking >your time with replies on "list administrator", "advertising on the >list" and "rude people". It just struck me as SOOOOOOOO unnecessary and >rude for the comments to be made about the ladies' CD that she is >selling. As a general rule, you don't want lists to turn into "sales" >but the person should have sent a POLITE note to the lady PRIVATELY to >tell her how he felt or contacted the list administrator, if there is >one. I for one, am happy to know about her CD. > >Sharon D. Your kidding, of course. I happen to think selling things on an email list or a newsgroup is wrong unless sales is the specific reason for the list or group. I bet if somebody could dig deep enough to find the charter of this newsgroup they'd find sales specifically forbidden. Other, newer groups I participate in expressly forbid sales, and anyone who refuses to respect that hears about it publicly and loudly. Benny Reb
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:05:39 +0000 (UTC), baberuth@worldnet.att.net ("Ruth Nerud") wrote: >Benny, how come you can send e-mails to this list and we can't reply to you >in private? Every time I write you, the e-mail comes back to me >undeliverable. > >Ruth Nerud >baberuth@worldnet.att.net Hi Ruth, This newsgroup has been decimated by phonies and frauds for years. One individual in particular comes to mind. He has so many aliases that I am unable to keep up with all of them. He even goes so far as to post questions under an assumed name and then answers himself using one of his more popular assumed names. Take a lesson or two in reading message headers and you will soon learn his devious ways. And don't be fooled by messages that have their roots in foreign countries. He knows how to work that scam to death. I have posted this information in this newsgroup many times in the past. I don't really like to converse with someone who hides behind a cloak of deception. And I am sure others feel the same way. He's chased a lot of valuable posters away from this newsgroup, including some very knowledgeable posters from the "old country". Regards, Ted Saselli/
On 8 Sep 2002 16:42:11 -0700, psanna@rcn.com (Peter Sanna) wrote: >I am trying to trace back my ancestors from Sardinia. My >grandfather's travel card lists his port of departure as Carloforte >but I don't think he originated from this town. I realize that the >name "Sanna" is a common Sardinian surname and I am looking for advice >as to where to begin my search. Have you seen wether he appears on http://www.ellisisland.org ? Or maybe you could find his birthplace in his marriage or death certificates. Let us know what you can find out, so we can help you more :) Ciao, Fabio
Ditto Sharon -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Nerud [mailto:baberuth@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 1:08 PM To: GEN-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Benny is a fraud Benny, how come you can send e-mails to this list and we can't reply to you in private? Every time I write you, the e-mail comes back to me undeliverable. Ruth Nerud baberuth@worldnet.att.net ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
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Benny, how come you can send e-mails to this list and we can't reply to you in private? Every time I write you, the e-mail comes back to me undeliverable. Ruth Nerud baberuth@worldnet.att.net
I don't take a very active part on this list. Forgive me for taking your time with replies on "list administrator", "advertising on the list" and "rude people". It just struck me as SOOOOOOOO unnecessary and rude for the comments to be made about the ladies' CD that she is selling. As a general rule, you don't want lists to turn into "sales" but the person should have sent a POLITE note to the lady PRIVATELY to tell her how he felt or contacted the list administrator, if there is one. I for one, am happy to know about her CD. Sharon D. -----Original Message----- From: MikenHelene [mailto:carsonmh@volfirst.net] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 6:39 AM To: GEN-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: List Administrator? I don't know, I think that it is not such a bad thing to let people know that these genealogy items are available, one of them may have information on someones family, and in that case it would be priceless! If I do not like a post I see, or am simply not interested in it, I just delete it and go on. Some Rootsweb lists allow advertising, some do not. What I do not understand is, why it does not bother people if someone posts a message about an item they see for sale, thinking it may be of interest to someone else, yet if the seller of that item posts, everyone gets angry, what is the difference? Just my two cents Helene carsonmh@volfirst.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Vas575@aol.com> To: <GEN-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:19 PM Subject: List Administrator? > Is there a list administrator in the house? > > While I don't subscribe to a heavily monitored list, I do think it is in poor > taste to 'advertise genealogical services' on this list or any other list. > > Some rootsweb lists expand on Administrivia to include certian guidelines. > Advertising Professional Services might be a guideline to post. > > Having said all of this, I also don't think such advertisers should be > 'flamed' on list. > > Just my humble opinion. > Vicky > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
I don't know, I think that it is not such a bad thing to let people know that these genealogy items are available, one of them may have information on someones family, and in that case it would be priceless! If I do not like a post I see, or am simply not interested in it, I just delete it and go on. Some Rootsweb lists allow advertising, some do not. What I do not understand is, why it does not bother people if someone posts a message about an item they see for sale, thinking it may be of interest to someone else, yet if the seller of that item posts, everyone gets angry, what is the difference? Just my two cents Helene carsonmh@volfirst.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Vas575@aol.com> To: <GEN-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:19 PM Subject: List Administrator? > Is there a list administrator in the house? > > While I don't subscribe to a heavily monitored list, I do think it is in poor > taste to 'advertise genealogical services' on this list or any other list. > > Some rootsweb lists expand on Administrivia to include certian guidelines. > Advertising Professional Services might be a guideline to post. > > Having said all of this, I also don't think such advertisers should be > 'flamed' on list. > > Just my humble opinion. > Vicky > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 02:19:30 +0000 (UTC), Vas575@aol.com wrote: >Having said all of this, I also don't think such advertisers should be >'flamed' on list. > >Just my humble opinion. >Vicky > Have you actually seen anybody flamed here? I've been in and out of soc. genealogy.italian almost since it's inception, and honestly do not remember seeing anybody* really* flamed. On rare occasions I've seen one or more complain about advertising which complaining is, I believe, a God given right;-) It's also sad but true that the good old days of list administrators seem to have come and gone (else the question of advertising would have been settled long ago). With the advent of very large numbers reading these messages through RootWeb and other gateways and thinking they're on a mailing list, usenet as we knew it is a thing of the past and that's a shame. A few years ago any spammer would have been inundated with complaints. Benny Non-Flamable Reb
On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:22:01 +0000 (UTC), jdiluvio@socket.net ("John & Sharon DiLuvio") wrote: >And you are rude. >Sharon Well that's one way to bring what had been a pretty good discussion about the etiquette of keeping spam off some parts of the web to a screetching hault. It used to be that the guy or gal who stood up and reminded folks that certain conventions had been violated got a few nods and the offenders got back on the straight and narrow. Times have changed. Benny Rab