On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:49:26 GMT, "Maria Pedersen" <jungeltelegrafen@_fjern_hotmail.com> wrote: >The priest was not in the office, but a man who works at the church office >or at the comune had a look in the church records. We had a quick look in >the old books. He said these books were all what they had in San Biagio >Saracinisco. We did not spend a lot of time in the office and were actually >quite happy just to find out when Biagio died. We were told that the church >records from the period he was born (1875) was destroyed in the war :-( Ah I see, that's a pity :( >The priest doesn't speak English, and also I feel it's a bit difficult to >ask for help when I think that it may be a little hard to find the correct >parents of my great grandfather Biagio Jaconelli. His italian childrens name >was Aouda (not sure of the spelling), Carmine, Domenica, Antonia. Is it >possible to "guess" from his children's name what Biagio's grandparent's >name would be? Maybe, but in genealogy guessing wouldn't be the correct way to do things. My best advice is going to the nearest Family History Center and getting to see the microfilms for the comune of San Biagio Saracinisco's Civil Records. They contain births, marriages, deaths, miscellaneous documents and marriage documents from 1811 to 1865 so you should find information about the birth of Antonio and Anna, Biagio's parents. You could also check for their marriage, but this depends on where Anna was born, as the tradition have the marriage take place in the future wife's church. Anyways, people in Italy used to renew, in their sons, their old relatives' names (parents , grandparents), so Biagio's father MAY be called Carmine, Domenico, Antonio, but maybe not. This isn't really a secure way to get the names you need ;) Let me know, Ciao Fabio

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Hello, Somebody had given me the address of the Archives of Pozzomaggiore in Sardinia (to ask birth certificates) , but I lost it (broken down my computer). Somebody can once again give it to me with the address e-mail ? Thank you very much. Hélène GRAGLIA

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:05:08 GMT, zenofpizza <zenofpizza@earthink.net> wrote: >There is only 5 Vallorz I know of in U.S. trying to search Italy, any >information would help, mostly northern. > >Looking for Salciccia meaning and origin. > http://www.infobel.com/italy/default.asp Italian white pages, this one allows you to enter only a last name and no city. If there's something entered in the city space, like Rome, erase it. http://66.221.136.107/en/cognomi/genera.html Surnames in Italy. Enter the last name (cognome) you'll get a graphic representation of the distribution of the name in Italy. This site usually works great, buy is having difficulties this evening. You may need to try it again later. Good luck. Benny

Is there a price, or you do it for fun. I have a Surname Vallorz. I know that there are 9 in the US, but I am unable to locate one in Italy. Thanks for the info. Loris wrote: > Good Morning, > I am a genealogist. > I do all kind of genealogical searches in Italy(also searches in Land > Register Office). > If you are interested please contact me. > Best regards. > > > >

There is only 5 Vallorz I know of in U.S. trying to search Italy, any information would help, mostly northern. Looking for Salciccia meaning and origin.

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http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwisdom/italynames.html This site has a large list of links to information about names, their origins and meanings. Takes time, but have fun. > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:05:08 GMT, zenofpizza <zenofpizza@earthink.net> > wrote: > > >There is only 5 Vallorz I know of in U.S. trying to search Italy, any > >information would help, mostly northern. > > > >Looking for Salciccia meaning and origin. > > Searching: DELLAPIANA-WHITMARSH-THOMAS-WEST-GLENN-DIGIACOMO-WATSON-CLOUGH-CUSHING-etc.

> >Looking for Salciccia meaning and origin. Isn't that the word for 'sausage'? Searching: DELLAPIANA-WHITMARSH-THOMAS-WEST-GLENN-DIGIACOMO-WATSON-CLOUGH-CUSHING-etc.

Anybody out with any information about this family name? Giuseppe came to the US early 1900's and settled in the NYC area. Think he came from Luzano (sp?). Any information would be appreciated. Jim C.

Fabio Parri <parrif_ibbNOSPAM@yahoo.com> skrev i news:3d6e54ed.20439687@News.CIS.DFN.DE Thank you so much for answering me, Fabio. I'm sorry for my late response. > That's too bad :( > Have you tried going directly to ask the local priests ? maybe they > have more documents to look at The priest was not in the office, but a man who works at the church office or at the commune had a look in the church records. We had a quick look in the old books. He said these books were all what they had in San Biagio Saracinisco. We did not spend a lot of time in the office and were actually quite happy just to find out when Biagio died. We were told that the church records from the period he was born (1875) was destroyed in the war :-( The priest doesn't speak English, and also I feel it's a bit difficult to ask for help when I think that it may be a little hard to find the correct parents of my great grandfather Biagio Jaconelli. His italian childrens name was Aouda (not sure of the spelling), Carmine, Domenica, Antonia. Is it possible to "guess" from his children's name what Biagio's grandparent's name would be? > Ok, then, you should tell them something like: > > I'm looking for as much information as possible about parents and > close relatives (brothers and sisters) of Biagio Iaconelli (or > Jaconelli), born in 6/7.11.1875, in San Biagio Saracinisco, Frosinone, from > Antonio Iaconelli (Jaconelli) and Anna Tartaglia. I > particularly would like to know the birth date of his parents. > > That would enough as a first question. You could ask more later. > > Fill the voids and post here on the newsgroup a question as above, > I'll translate it and post the translation, so you can send it to the > Archivio di Stato (it's better if you direct post it). I obviously > will help you translating whatever answer you might get :) This is so kind of you, Fabio! Maria in Norway

I've done it (it took only a few minutes), meanwhile I call your attention to the fact that right click can be easely restored refusing to execute the scripts. For security purposes I always set my browser to ask before executing scripts activex etc. and accepting cookies (there are so many script worms and viruses) and so should do everybody is concerned about security. The policy is to never accept cookies and execute scripts unless You are extremely sure of what You are doing (which is never....) If the scripts are necessary to browse correctly, once set the browser to ask for it You will be presented whit an ok button every time the page loaded starts a script, it's easy (reading the html version of the page, right click (after having refused the script of course) and select the option HTML) or after a couple of try to understand which (1st 2nd 3rd etc...) is the one You have to accept and wich is the one You have to refuse. ;o) all the best Mauro

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:21:16 +0000 (UTC), lfermi@comcast.net (Larry Fermi) wrote: >It seems to me that if the majority of the group doesn't object to the >individual in question offering her compiled lists on a CD then the majority >rules. The list, newsgroup or society in general should not be controlled by >one individual with a lot to say. > >Since it seems most of the respondents to this topic, except Benny, don't >object then the will of the group should be honored, whether or not this has >changed from the original intent. > >IMHO. > When this or any other newsgroup is started, the purpose, scope and charter are posted on the web and interested people are asked to vote for the creation of the new group. Enough affirmative comment and the group is allowed to begin. The admonition that advertiseing or "commercials" shall not be allowed here is crystal clear: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~socgen/Italian.htm#charter The naive notion that the charter can be changed if the majority whishes so is not majority rule. What happens a week or two down the road when the majority decides allowing advertising was a mistake and wishes to change the charter again? This is not majority rule, it's anarchy. There's an order and a structure here that was created for a purpose. There are numerous newsgroups that are expressly set up for advertising, their purpose being to keep all the others from becoming like the little neighborhood free "shopper" newspapers. If the kids in Italy who have been advertising here about, "I live in Italia, and I can find you ancestors cheap" and the lady selling the disks in question and everybody else wanting to advertise here would follow the rules, seek out the newsgroups where advertising is permitted and do it there, everything would be fine. Informed participants in this newsgroup could check the other newsgroups periodically, and everybody would be happy. Benny

Amen

On 10 Sep 2002 17:12:53 -0700, ccllobet@hotmail.com (ccllobet) wrote: >I am looking for any information about an ancestor who was called >FERDINANDO RITONDALE, who emigrate to Argentina and he was born in >MAIERA, Italy, in 1854 aproximately, son of Pedro or PIETRO RITONDALE >and MARIA TERESA MAGURNO or MANNA. >If you have any information I apreciate it so much. 1. You may want to go to the nearest Family History Center in Argentina and have a look at Maierà's Civil Registers on microfilms. They show all of the civil registration acts from 1809 to 1910, so your ancestors are probably is in there, too :) Here's what they have: Title Registri dello stato civile, 1809-1910 Authors Maierà (Cosenza). Ufficio dello stato civile (Main Author) Notes Microfilm dei registri originali nell'Archivio di Stato, Cosenza, e nel Tribunale di Paola. Include indici parziali. Microfilm di alta riduzione (42x). Adoperate una macchina di alto ingrandimento. Births, marriages, banns, marriage documents, deaths, citizenship records. Subjects Italy, Cosenza, Maierà - Civil registration Format Manuscript (On Film) Language Italian Publication Salt Lake City : Filmati dalla Genealogical Society of Utah, 1988-1994 Physical in 9 bobine di microfilm ; 16 mm. Film Notes Note - Location [Film] Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1809-1819 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1539416 Items 2-4 ] Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1819-1831 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1539417 ] Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1832-1840 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1539418 ] Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1840-1849 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1468119 ] Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1849-1856 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1468120 ] Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1856-1865 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1468121 Items 1-4 ] Nati 1866-1910 Pubblicazioni 1866-1872 - FHL INTL Film [ 1804836 Items 4-6 ] Pubblicazioni 1873-1910 Matrimoni 1866-1910 Morti 1866-1910 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1804837 ] Cittadinanze 1866-1910 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1804832 Item 1 ] 2. You may also try and contact the Archivio di Stato of Cosenza. They have the original acts from which the Family History Center microfilms were taken. Their homepage is here: http://www.cs.cnr.it/beni/ArchivioStatoCS/ If you can read Italian, you can access to lots of information and useful bibliography. You may try and ask them to look for your ancestor's data by email: ascs@archivi.beniculturali.it 3. There are still 13 Ritondale's on Maierà (the town is called Maierà, non Maiera) phonebook. You may try contacting them to see wether any of them knows of emigrated relatives. MAIERA' CS 87020 13 NOMINATIVI 1. FORESTIERO RITONDALE GIUSEPPE 2, CONTR. CITRA 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 098581238 2. RITONDALE ANGELO , V. CALCINAIA 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985889091 3. RITONDALE ANNAMARIA 17, CONTR. ALORIO 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985889105 4. RITONDALE ANTONIETTA 23, CONTR. ALORIO 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985889287 5. RITONDALE ARMANDO , CONTR. LAURO 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985889112 6. RITONDALE DOMENICO 13, V. SCIOLLE 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985889021 7. RITONDALE FILIPPINA 1, CONTR. ARIESTE 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985889186 8. RITONDALE FLORA 13, CONTR. ARIESTE 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985889315 9. RITONDALE GIANFRANCO 17, CONTR. ALORIO 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985889046 10. RITONDALE PERSIO 15, CONTR. MUSCIVIVO 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985889248 11. RITONDALE SALVATORE 25, CONTR. MAGRIO 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985876406 12. RITONDALE VINCENZO 1, V. S.NICOLA 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985889076 13. RITONDALE BIANCAMANO ANNA 7, CONTR. ALORIO 87020 MAIERA' CS Tel. 0985889064 Hope it helps, Fabio

It seems to me that if the majority of the group doesn't object to the individual in question offering her compiled lists on a CD then the majority rules. The list, newsgroup or society in general should not be controlled by one individual with a lot to say. Since it seems most of the respondents to this topic, except Benny, don't object then the will of the group should be honored, whether or not this has changed from the original intent. IMHO.

Suite a de nombreuses demandes, nous avons créer un groupe de discussion concernant les Vaudois du Piémont. http://it.groups.yahoo.com/group/genealogia-valdesi (l'inscription est gratuite et indispensable pour éviter les abus de publicité) N'hésitez pas a envoyer une question : genealogia-valdesi@yahoogroups.com Voici la description: Groupe destiné aux généalogistes amateurs souhaitant s'entraider pour la recherche de leurs ancêtres vaudois (protestants) des vallées du Piémont en province de Turin. Comuni: Angrogna; Bobbio Pellice; Bovile*; Inverso Pinasca; Inverso Porte*; Luserna San Giovanni, Maniglia*; Massello; Perosa Argentina; Perrero; Pinerolo; Pomaretto; Pragelato, Pramollo; Prarostino; Prali; Riclaretto*; Roccapiatta*; Rodoretto*; Rorà; Salza*; San Germano Chisone; Luserna San Giovanni; Torre Pellice; Villar Pellice; Villar Perosa; Villasecca (*Ex-commune) On pourra y poser des questions sur ce thème. Vous pouvez trouvez aussi des bases de données et des listes de sites. Ce groupe est ouvert aux chercheurs du monde entier et échanges se font en plusieurs langues. Nous attendons vos questions et vos suggestions. Bienvenue et Bonne recherche. Marc MARGARIT

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:56:13 -0700, Ted <badaboom@sysmatrix.net> wrote: >Benny, or whomever you are, >Please reread my post. You will not find any reference whatsoever to >you. But if the shoe fits....... >Many years ago in the fledgling years of newsgroups such as this one, >mailing lists such as Comunes of Italy and PIE, there was a gentleman >poster by the name of John Castagna. John would absolutely come >unglued if you even attempted to post under a phony name or address. >And if you did, he would tear you apart with posts that would make >Larry Flynt blush. Too bad he doesn't lurk in these areas today. >Ted Saselli/ Baloney!!! John was big on signatures, period. He did not care if you signed your dogs name just as long as you signed your posts. Plenty of people spit on poor old John, too and openly refused to be told what to do, just the way you and your cronies spit on me by totally ignoring the fact that I was correct when saying that sales pitches are not to be tolerated on this newsgroup. That's the real issue here, but nobody wants to discuss it. Benny happens to be my nickname, what people have called me all of my life, nearly 75 years now. It is just as much my "name" as anything else, if that's really any of your business. If I had 250 or so Sasellis to give you would you care what my mother used to call me or could I only be known by what's on my birth certificate? Fool. Talk amongst your selves and decide if your going to let that person continue hawking her CDs here which are little more than transcribed information off of public records. 38 bucks a pop. That's the same kind of thing we all scream foul about when RootsWeb and the other big boys do it. I'm out of here unless somebody says something really stupid. Benny

Maybe you missed the subject line. The entire thread is about Benny. If you didn't mean to refer to him, couldn't you change the subject line? Good newsreaders (even mediocre ones) allow you to do that. On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:56:13 -0700, Ted <badaboom@sysmatrix.net> wrote: >Benny, or whomever you are, >Please reread my post. You will not find any reference whatsoever to >you.