On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:01:41 GMT, "Charles Gilbert" <[email protected]> wrote: >CHARLES J. GILBERT >[email protected] >  >Career Objective: >To obtain a challenging position in telecommunications maintenance or maintenance management. >  >Major Qualifications: Complete message with complete header information sent to: abuse @rr.com Freddie

Can anyone tell me about the film actress, Stella Marchesa Vitelleschi? Date of birth, parents etc. How was she related to The Hon Amy Cochrane-Baillie, Marchesa Vitelleschi and what was date of birth etc for this lady? I have seen a record of a Marchesa Vitelleschi living in London in 1904. Who would this be? David Railton

"riccardo" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Mike, would you please check Marco BAGARELLA, on 1920 census, in all > U.S.A.? Thanks Riccardo Riccardo, The only thing I can find on ancestry.com for Marco is an entry in the SSDI as follows: Social Security Death Index ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Birth Date Death Date Last Residence (City,County,State) Issued SSN Marco A. Bagarella 27 Sep 1917 19 Jul 1998 Everett, Middlesex, Massachusetts Massachusetts (Before 1951 ) 030-07-5175 Source Information: Social Security Administration. Social Security Death Index, Master File. Orem, UT: Ancestry, Inc., 2000. I also checked 1930 without any luck. Regards, Mike

What's the Fastest way to get long form birth cert from little town in Italy?

I'm looking for any information on some towns in Catania region...Giarre, Acireale (and it's suburbs), Mascali & Macchia. I know that Giarre is now the larger town, and that Acireale used to be, but apart from that, I know nothing. Thanks! Diana (researching Greco/Capri/Trovato/Barbagallo in Giarre area, temporarily putting research on many others in Messina on hold) (email me at dwelborn at texas dot net if you want to reply directly, as this hotmail account is set to "exclusive")

Hey, What ever happened to David Zerga? I'm using this from google, but I don't see anything from him in the past several months, and I'm concerned... Diana (email to dwelborn at texas dot net if you want to reply to me directly) Currently researching - Grecco/Trovato/Capri/Barbagallo in Giarre area

Those of you researching the more historically "Arbëresh" towns (Piana degli Albanese, Contessa Entellina, etc), can you give me a reasonable estimate about the incidence of "foundling" birth records? I.e. - Some, none at all, that kind of thing. It's my understanding that typical foundling names are Proietti, Trovato, D'Ignoti, Esposito and Di Gioia. (And various spellings thereof...) My mother's mother's mother's mother was a Trovato...but I know her father's name. I don't, as yet, know anything about HIS father (I'm having difficulty getting the civil records narrowed down, which reminds me, I need to make a post to soc.genealogy.italian...), but some other issues peripherally surrounding this research makes me wonder about the prevalance of foundlings in the Arbëresh community... The other question is, for those who have done research in traditionally *non* Arbëresh towns, what is the prevalence you are finding of emigration from the "strongholds" into the more "Italian" cities? I'm finding a lot of "Greco"'s in what is not generally know as an Arbëresh town, and yesterday ran across an "Albanese" in that town as well. My problem is (and has been for several years) that I can't figure out where they were before that town! Thanks! Diana Welborn (send email to dwelborn at texas dot net if you want to reply to me; this is my hotmail account set to exclusive) Researching: Grecco, Trovato, Capri, Barbagallo in Giarre area, and have temporarily postponed research on many others in Messina

Hi Fabio: really are 3 records of italians emigrated in Argentina: -GASPERONI MARIA(female, age 46,emigrated 05-02-1890, ship MATTEO BRUZZO, port of departure Genova) -GASPERONI TERESA(female, age 28, emigrated 10-11-1920, ship Indiana, port of departure Genova) -GASPERONI VIOLANTE(male..or female, age 28, emigrated 07-10-1906, ship Toscana, port of departure Genova). more are 27 records for GaspAroni surname, not are Nazareno, or Nazzareno, or Nazario, this are: GASPARONI ANTONIO GASPARONI ANTONIO GASPARONI BENVENUTO GASPARONI CECILIA GASPARONI CONCETTO GASPARONI ENRICO GASPARONI FILLIPO GASPARONI GIACINTA GASPARONI GIOVANNI GASPARONI GIOVANNI GASPARONI GIOVANNI GASPARONI GIOVANNI GASPARONI GIOVANNI GASPARONI GIOVANNI GASPARONI IDELHANDO GASPARONI LUIGI GASPARONI LUIGI GASPARONI LUIGI GASPARONI MARIA GASPARONI MARIO GASPARONI NICOLA GASPARONI RAFFAELE GASPARONI RAFFAELE GASPARONI SANTA GASPARONI SANTINA GASPARONI SIRIACO GASPARONI ULDERICO more: visite this URL http://search4.geneanet.org/result.php3?lang=it&name=gasperoni&place=&source=&x=0&y=0 all sources GaspEroni in the world and GaspAroni: http://search4.geneanet.org/result.php3?lang=it&name=gasparoni&place=&source=&x=0&y=0 but other Gasperoni are emigrated in Costa Rica: -Gino DALLA CA' DI DIO GASPERONI llegó en 1929 y tuvo una estadía breve en Costa Rica; su interés estaba relacionado con la posibilidad de instituir una colonización italiana en el país. [ANCR: RE caja N. 324] -Gino Alessandro ZEN GASPARONI (hijo de Carlo y Angelica) era abogado y había nacido en Venecia en 1881. [REI 1 a. 878] In Minas Gerais-Brazil: GIOVANNI GASPARONI coming from Padova . In Uruguay the Gasparoni surname are between first "pioneiros"..: "La Chimba recibió una gran cantidad de éstos, que se ocuparon de las tareas del campo y a la vitivinicultura. Muchos apellidos de esos primeros inmigrantes de Italia y Francia y otros que llegaron de distintos lugares de la provincia siguen sonando entre nosotros: Gabutti, Peppa, Grilli, Gasparoni, D'Angelo, Grucci, Cremaschi, Barbero, Bartuluchi, Barraud, Guillaumin, Ramonaud, Rauzi, Dupaux, etc."; but if sure in Argentina, you can to contact this persons Gasparoni surname in Argentina and to ask any info: -ref.Gasparoni: Italia: Marche: Ancona: Montecaroto: 1909 Susana Beatriz Gasparoni mailto:[email protected] -ref.Gasparoni: Italia: Marche: Macerata - 1880 Gustavo A. Alvarez mailto:[email protected] and a similar surname: http://www.apellidositalianos.com.ar/base/listadoAp.asp?clave=G&pag=15 More you can insert your message search in Argentina: http://www.apellidositalianos.com.ar/vinculos.htm are also many archives for search..and you can to write for immigration in Argentina: http://www.apellidositalianos.com.ar/entrada_pasajeros.htm#Argentina are many sources..! regards, Raffaella "Fabio Parri" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio news:[email protected] > Hi Raffaella, > > My ancestor was named Nazareno (or Nazzareno, the spelling varies). > His correct surname was spelled Gasperoni (pretty sure of this) but it > could have been miswritten at his arrival in the American continent. > > I tried to check on the Argentinian phonebook and I found lots of > Gasperoni and Gasparoni, maybe I could try to write a letter to all of > them... > > Let me know if you can find anything on Nazaerno, and thanks for the > incredible link ;) > > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:50:17 GMT, "raffaella" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Dear Fabio: > > Gasparoni surname sure present in south America, not Gasperoni..to this my > >URL http://matera.site.voila.fr/Malerba/Cognomi_italiani_1800.htm > > > > , in miscellanea, are many link of italian surname (colonos in Brasil and > >many italian people in Argentina and other)..please let me know first name > >of Gasparoni ancestor, regards, Raffaella >

please let me know: Pancrazio is surname or first name? In Italy it is both..but for your question probable first name...The Pancrazio first name is in honor of saint Pancrazio (latin: Pancratii).. This first name it derived from greek word " pankration" and means "fight athlete" I do not know which short shape...regards, raffaella "raffaella" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio news:[email protected] > Pancrazio is right. > Raffaella > <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:[email protected] > > In my research in Castelmezzano (Potenza), I keep coming across a name > that > > looks like PANCRAZIO or PANERAZIO. What's the actual name? I've checked > a few > > sites, but nothing matches up. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > -Sue > > > >

I've only seen it as a first name. Thanks for you help! -Susan In a message dated 4/22/2004 5:45:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: please let me know: Pancrazio is surname or first name? In Italy it is both..but for your question probable first name...The Pancrazio first name is in honor of saint Pancrazio (latin: Pancratii).. This first name it derived from greek word " pankration" and means "fight athlete" I do not know which short shape...regards, raffaella

Hi Raffaella, My ancestor was named Nazareno (or Nazzareno, the spelling varies). His correct surname was spelled Gasperoni (pretty sure of this) but it could have been miswritten at his arrival in the American continent. I tried to check on the Argentinian phonebook and I found lots of Gasperoni and Gasparoni, maybe I could try to write a letter to all of them... Let me know if you can find anything on Nazaerno, and thanks for the incredible link ;) On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:50:17 GMT, "raffaella" <[email protected]> wrote: >Dear Fabio: > Gasparoni surname sure present in south America, not Gasperoni..to this my >URL http://matera.site.voila.fr/Malerba/Cognomi_italiani_1800.htm > > , in miscellanea, are many link of italian surname (colonos in Brasil and >many italian people in Argentina and other)..please let me know first name >of Gasparoni ancestor, regards, Raffaella

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:39:06 GMT, "raffaella" <[email protected]> wrote: >-others probable surname spelling ...??? In Italy are Barrella, Borrelli Also, Berrelli and Berelli, very rare: <http://elenco.libero.it/elencotel/public/RisultatoRegioni.jsp?nome=&cognome=berelli> and <http://elenco.libero.it/elencotel/public/RisultatoRegioni.jsp?nome=&cognome=berrelli>

Hi Paul, really in the text that it sendes to me, there are all ancient trades,reported to sale fish and transport liquids, and to guards of vigilance for sale fish. More in very ancient past, the word "salma" it is reported to ancient measure of liquid, in use in the south Italy (to Napoli: 1 salma=158,6 liters; Palermo:1 salma=275,1 liters:Bari: 1 salma=165,4 liters, etc..)... therefore "salmataro" means, producer of "salma" recipient..in the txt are also with "salmataro" word, the word "banchi"=benches, stands..is right to think a vendor of containers: "salma" called... More: this words in italian language are disappeared from many time, and perhaps are also dialectal words of local language, regards, Raffaella Frank Young <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Paul Monda wrote: > > > A birth record from 1849 shows an occupation that appears to be "salmatari". > > Is your record from the South? In and around Naples, a "salmataro" was a > precursor of an undertaker or mortician, but with none of the modicum of > professional respect that attaches to that job today. > > Regards, Frank Young > [email protected] 703-527-7684 > Post Office Box 2793, Kensington, Maryland 20891 > "Videmus nunc per speculum in aenigmate... Nunc cognosco ex parte"

Pancrazio is right. Raffaella <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio news:[email protected] > In my research in Castelmezzano (Potenza), I keep coming across a name that > looks like PANCRAZIO or PANERAZIO. What's the actual name? I've checked a few > sites, but nothing matches up. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > -Sue >

Mike, would you please check Marco BAGARELLA, on 1920 census, in all U.S.A.? Thanks Riccardo "MikeS" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<c%[email protected]>... > "riccardo" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] > > Hello listers, > > would you please check in the 1920 census, Marco BAGARELLA, about 31 > > years old, Boston area. > > Riccardo, the following is the only Bagarella living in the Boston area. > Any connection? Mike > > Bagarella, Salvatore 35 1884 Italy White Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:59:01 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Margaret Olson) wrote: >The rootsweb mailing lists have managers, and the manager of this list has >written privately to the person who seemed to be unaware of the newsgroup >and gateway. I'm trying to put out this particular wildfire on the 4 >Usenet/RootsWeb gateway lists I manage. Manage away if you must, but please do not forget the following: NEWSGROUP: soc.genealogy.italian RFD Date: 19 Feb 1997 1st CFV Date: 17 Apr 1997 2nd CFV Date: 23 May 1997 Vote ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 8 May 1997. RESULT: unmoderated group soc.genealogy.italian passes 199:27 I was one of the original voters, and there was never any doubt as to how this newsgroup would operate. Note that from it's inception this newsgroup has been unmoderated. So please moderate/manage your Rootsweb lost souls off of our newsgroup so that peace may once again rule. We know how to ignore people who post for no other reason than to cause trouble. It is your little Rootsweb budies who get all bent out of shape and post these "Unsubscribe me" messages that do nothing but waste bandwidth. > The jerks who post this kind of thing post it from the newsgroup >side of the gateway and are looking for attention - and hoping that the >complaints will make it worse. People who live in glass houses should not cast stones. Freddie

Thank you so much for all the information, Frank!! Very interesting!!!! ~Sue Curley In a message dated 4/22/2004 12:45:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Pancrazio is the Italian form of the Latin Pancratius, a late third-century martyr. A major title church for cardinal-priests is dedicated to him.

In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote: >In my research in Castelmezzano (Potenza), I keep coming across a name that >looks like PANCRAZIO or PANERAZIO. What's the actual name? I've checked a few >sites, but nothing matches up. Pancrazio is the Italian form of the Latin Pancratius, a late third-century martyr. A major title church for cardinal-priests is dedicated to him. This text is from the old <Catholic Encyclopedia>: Sts. Nereus and Achilleus, Domitilla and Pancratius The commemoration of these four Roman saints is made by the Church on 12 May, in common, and all four are named in the Proper of the Mass as martyrs. The old Roman lists, of the fifth century, and which passed over into the Martyrologium Hiernoymianum, contain the names of the two martyrs Nereus and Achilleus, whose grave was in the Catacomb of Domitilla on the Via Ardeatina; in the same calendar was found the name of St. Pancratius, whose body rested in a catacomb on the Via Aurelia. The notice in the more complete version given by the Berne Codex, runs as follows: "IIII id. Maii, Romae in coemeterio Praetextati natale Nerei et Achillei fratrum, et natale sci. Pancrati via Aurelia miliario secundo" (On 12 May at Rome in the cemetery of Praetextatus [an evident error for Domitilla] the natal day of Nereus and Achilleus, and the natal day of St. Pancratius, on the Aurelian Way at the second milestone"; ed. de Rossi-Duchesne, Acta SS., Nov., II, [59]). In the invocation of the Mass for their feast, in the "Sacramentarium Gelasianum", the names of Nereus and Achilleus alone are mentioned, and this is because only their invocation in the Mass was entered in the collection, the feast of St. Pancratius being celebrated in the church built over his grave on the Via Aurelia. In the Mass of his festival, the formula of which is unknown to us, his name, without doubt, was alone mentioned. In the fourth and following centuries there was celebrated on 12 May in both places, at the grave of Saints Nereus and Achilleus on the Via Ardeatina, and at that of St. Pancratius on the Via Aurelia, a special votive Mass. The Itineraries of the graves of the Roman martyrs, written in the seventh century, are unanimous in their indication of the resting-place of these saints (de Rossi, "Roma sotterranea", I, 180-83). The church which was erected in the fourth century over the grave of St. Pancratius, stands today in somewhat altered style. The legend describing the martyrdom of the saint is of later origin, and not reliable historically; it is probable that he was put to death in the persecution of Valerian (257-58) or in that of Diocletian (304-06). The church built over the grave of Sts. Nereus and Achilleus in the Via Ardeatina, is of the latter part of the fourth century; it is a three-naved basilica, and was discovered by de Rossi in the Catacomb of Domitilla. Amongst the numerous objects found in the ruins were two pillars which had supported the giborium ornamented with sculptures representing the death of the two saints by decapitation; one of these pillars is perfectly preserved, and the name of Achilleus is carved on it. There was also found a large fragment of a marble slab, with an inscription composed by Pope Damasus, the text of which is well-known from an ancient copy. This oldest historical mention of the two saints (Weyman, "Vier Epigramme des h. Papstes Damasus", Munich, 1905; de Rossi, "Inscriptiones christianae", II, 31; Ihm, "Damasi epigrammata", Leipzig, 1895, 12, no. 8) tells how Nereus and Achilleus as soldiers were obedient to the tyrant, but suddenly being converted to Christianity, joyfully resigned their commission, and did the martyr's death; as to the date of their glorious confession we can make no inference. The acts of these martyrs, legendary even to a romantic degree, have no historical value for their life and death; they bring no fewer than thirteen different Roman martyrs into relation, amongst them even Simon Magus, according to the apocryphal Petrine Acts, and place their death in the end of the first and beginning of the second centuries. These Acts were written in Greek and Latin; according to Achelis (see below) the Greek was the original text, and written in Rome in the sixth century; Schaefer (see below) on the other hand holds the Latin to have been the older version, and seeks to prove that it emanated from the first half of the fifth century; so remote a date is improbable, and the sixth century is to be preferred as the source of he Acts. According to these legends Nereus and Achilleus were eunuchs and chamberlains of Flavia Domitilla, a niece of the Emperor Domitian; with the Christian virgin they had been banished to the island of Pontia, and later on beheaded in Terracina. The graves of these two martyrs were on an estate of the Lady Domitilla near the Via Ardeatina, close to that of St. Petronilla. The author of this legend places the two saints quite differently from Pope Damasus, in his poem: as Nereus and Achilleus were buried in a very ancient part of the catacomb of Domitilla, built as far back as the beginning of the second century, we may conclude that they are among the most ancient martyrs of the Roman Church, and stand in very near relation to the Flavian family, of which Domitilla, the foundress of the catacomb, was a member. In the Epistle to the Romans, St. Paul mentions a Nereus with his sister, to whom he sends greetings (Rom., xvi, 15), perhaps even the martyr was a descendant of this disciple of the Apostle of the Gentiles. Owing to the purely legendary character of these Acts, we cannot use them as an argument to aid in the controversy as to whether there were two Christians of the name of Domitilla in the family of the Christian Flavian, or only one, the wife of the Consul Flavius Clemens (see FLAVIA DOMITILLA). As to other martyrs of he name Nereus, who are especially noted in the old martyrologies as martyrs of the faith in Africa, or as being natives of that country (e.g., in the Martyrologium Hieronymianum, 11 May, 15 or 16 October, 16 Nov.) though there is one of the name in the present Roman Martyrology under date of 16 Oct., nothing more is known. On Sts. Nereus and Achilleus; Acta SS., May, III, 6-13; MOMBRITIUS, Sanctuarium, I, 238-40; II, 159 sqq., 201; Bibliotheca hagiographica latina, II, 883 sqq.; Bibliotheca hag. graeca, 2nd ed., 185; WIRTH, Acta SS. Nerei et Achillei (Leipzig, 1890); ACHELIS, Acta SS. Nerei et Achellei in Texte und Untersuchungen, XI, 2 (Leipzig, 1892); SCHAEFER, Die Akten der hl. Nereus und Achilleus in Romische Quartalschrift (1894), 89-119; DUFOURCQ, Les Gesta Martyrum Romains, I (Paris, 1900), 251-55, 305-07; URBAIN, Ein Martyrologium der christl. Gemeinde zu Rom (Leipzig, 1901), 143-44; ALLARD, Histoire des persecutions, I (2nd ed., Paris, 1892), 168 sq.; DE ROSSI in Bulletino di archeologia cristiana (874), 5 sqq., 68 sqq. (1875), 5 sqq.; MARUCCHI, Guide des catacombes romaines (Rome, 1903), 97 sq. On St. Pancratius: Acta SS., May, III, 21; Analecta Bollandiana, X, 53-56; DUFOURCQ, Gesta Martyrum Romains, I, 235- 57; MARUCCHI, Guide des catacombes romaines, 43-46. J.P. KIRSCH <The Catholic Encyclopedia>, Volume X -- Regards, Frank Young [email protected] 703-527-7684 Post Office Box 2793, Kensington, Maryland 20891 "Videmus nunc per speculum in aenigmate... Nunc cognosco ex parte"

In my research in Castelmezzano (Potenza), I keep coming across a name that looks like PANCRAZIO or PANERAZIO. What's the actual name? I've checked a few sites, but nothing matches up. Any suggestions? Thanks, -Sue

Thanks Joe and Fabio. I have written a letter to the Maria Valotti Joe had found for me and translated it on-line, so fingers crossed. I also have emailed the 2 addresses Fabio gave me for Ceranova and Lardirago. This is very exciting stuff, as I am planning to visit Italy and Slovenia in September of this year. It would be wonderful to meet some relatives as I have never met anyone from my fathers side of the family. Thanks again for the help and I will keep you posted. Alexandra from sunny Brisbane, Queensland,Australia