Thank you so very much for the lookups! They were perfect! Grandparents Charles & Milley The birth months and ages were exact matches for my Grandparents and baby Aunt. Also, living w them is our father-in-law w the same maiden name as my Grandmother.It also appears that some of my Grandmother's family is living a few apartments over. I guess just Ancestry uses Enumeration District numbers in their lookup. Roll 1086, Page 195 B, Part 2 -> Ancestry's image # 740 ( 195*2 + 350 images in Part 1 ). Which just happens to be in ED 133 on East Houston St which is the North boundary of "Little Italy". Great uncle Antonio ED 1281 sheet 2A in 1910 turns out to be 239 W 46th St, which is about 2 blocks South of where Rockefeller Plaza stands today.

I have updated http://www.dejudicibus.it/genealogia/ by adding the images of the original manuscript of the mission of Ottobono de Judicibus at the Earl of Milan Galeazzo Maria Sforza Visconte in 1472. The image was provided by Giorgio Galleani of Ventimiglia. I was aware of the mission, but I did not know that the original paper still existed. Dario de Judicibus

1472 isn't very old. I have a copy of an original, dated novembre 5, 1017, Borno, plus Italian and English translations of the "Atto Di Donazione" document giving the land around Ossimo (north of Brescia) to the church there. Richard "Dario de Judicibus" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > I have updated http://www.dejudicibus.it/genealogia/ by adding the images of > the original manuscript of the mission of Ottobono de Judicibus at the Earl > of Milan Galeazzo Maria Sforza Visconte in 1472. The image was provided by > Giorgio Galleani of Ventimiglia. I was aware of the mission, but I did not > know that the original paper still existed. > > Dario de Judicibus > >

"Scottz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Thank you so very much for the lookups! They were perfect! > -- "I love it when a plan comes together"- Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith of the A-Team, perfectly played by George Peppard Joe in Texas

Thanks so much! I recently learned my family was "titled". Do you happen to know that one also??? I assumed it just meant perhaps they were somewhat wealthy at some point in time in the 1700s-1800s "The Bibliographer" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > In article <[email protected]>, > Chris C <[email protected]mcast.net> wrote: > >Anyone know where the title "don" came from or the origin/history of the > >word and/or what it means? > > From "Dominus" (Latin, "lord"). "Don" is accorded to all priests, and > often to monks and brothers, as well; all male elected officials, almost > no matter what the office; nearly all landowners; nearly all men over a > certain age, generally about fifty; all sorts of professionals, including > many artisans and craftsmen, and so forth. This has been true generally > since about the middle of the nineteenth century -- before that is was > more restricted in use. It has never denoted a class of nobility or > aristocracy anymore than "mister" ("master," from the Latin "magister," a > teacher or magistrate) has in English, although that term, too, was more > restricted in usage in former times. Think also of the French > "monsieur" -- directly from "mon sieur" ("my lord"); and the cognate > Italian "monsignore" ("mon signore') also "my lord" although now entirely > coopted as an ecclesiastical title (monsignor in English). > -- > Regards, Frank Young > [email protected] 703-527-7684 > Post Office Box 2793, Kensington, Maryland 20891 > "Videmus nunc per speculum in aenigmate... Nunc cognosco ex parte"

"Scottz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Would someone w access to a 1900 census index for New York City > help me look up my Grandfather's family. > Carmine has a brother Antonio, age 25, who immigrated in 1898 with his wife > Catherine. You can find Anthony in the 1910 census in NY NY 22WD MANHATTAN ED 1281 SHEET 2A (Film T624 Roll 1045 Page 249). Mike

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Would someone w access to a 1900 census index for New York City help me look up my Grandfather's family. head: Carmine / Charles Scarpone, age 24, immigrated 1899 from Galdo, Italy Wife: Felicia, age 22 Daughter: Filomena / Florence age 1 Carmine has a brother Antonio, age 25, who immigrated in 1898 with his wife Catherine. common misspellings: Scapone/i, Scarponi Please post the ED and sheet #. I have access to Ancestory.com and can look up the image from them. Thank you Scotty

"Scottz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Would someone w access to a 1900 census index for New York City > help me look up my Grandfather's family. > > head: Carmine / Charles Scarpone, age 24, immigrated 1899 from Galdo, Italy > Wife: Felicia, age 22 > Daughter: Filomena / Florence age 1 > > Carmine has a brother Antonio, age 25, who immigrated in 1898 with his wife > Catherine. > > common misspellings: Scapone/i, Scarponi > > Please post the ED and sheet #. I have access to Ancestory.com and can look > up the image from them. > > Thank you > Scotty We don"t find exactly what you are looking for, but you might check these out: There are some similar names to wife and daughter. SCARPONE NICOLINO 25 M W ITAL NY NEW YORK 6-WD MANHATTAN BORO 1900 Series: T623 Roll: 1081 Page: 133 SCARPONI CHAS 23 M W ITAL NY NEW YORK MANHATTAN BORO 1900 Series: T623 Roll: 1086 Page: 195 You can't look these up on Ancestry.com directly? Good luck, Joe in Texas

In article <[email protected]>, Chris C <[email protected]> wrote: >Anyone know where the title "don" came from or the origin/history of the >word and/or what it means? From "Dominus" (Latin, "lord"). "Don" is accorded to all priests, and often to monks and brothers, as well; all male elected officials, almost no matter what the office; nearly all landowners; nearly all men over a certain age, generally about fifty; all sorts of professionals, including many artisans and craftsmen, and so forth. This has been true generally since about the middle of the nineteenth century -- before that is was more restricted in use. It has never denoted a class of nobility or aristocracy anymore than "mister" ("master," from the Latin "magister," a teacher or magistrate) has in English, although that term, too, was more restricted in usage in former times. Think also of the French "monsieur" -- directly from "mon sieur" ("my lord"); and the cognate Italian "monsignore" ("mon signore') also "my lord" although now entirely coopted as an ecclesiastical title (monsignor in English). -- Regards, Frank Young [email protected] 703-527-7684 Post Office Box 2793, Kensington, Maryland 20891 "Videmus nunc per speculum in aenigmate... Nunc cognosco ex parte"

Anyone know where the title "don" came from or the origin/history of the word and/or what it means? I have been recently told that my great grandfather was "titled" and am not sure what this means....Is it simply a sign of respect for wealthier families or does it mean sometime in the past someone was some sort of royalty or something in the old italian crazy govt..

I am researching these names in the town of Porticello, Sicily. The Cefalu and some of the Lupo children eventually emigrated to Milwaukee Wisconsin, then on to San Diego, California. (Also Boston, MA). Interested in talking to anyone else researching these surnames.

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Can you read Italian ? If so, Check here: <http://www.comune.giarre.ct.it/> for Giarre <http://www.giarresi.net/storia_giarre/storia_Macchia.htm> for Macchia di Giarre, which is a frazione of Giarre. <http://www.comune.acireale.gte.it/> for Acireale <http://www.comune.mascali.ct.it/> for Mascali If you can't read Italian, I suggest you to use Altavista's Babelfish translator. You may find it here: <http://babelfish.altavista.com/> Hope it helps, Fabio On 22 Apr 2004 13:33:28 -0700, [email protected] (Diana Welborn) wrote: >I'm looking for any information on some towns in Catania >region...Giarre, Acireale (and it's suburbs), Mascali & Macchia. > >I know that Giarre is now the larger town, and that Acireale used to >be, but apart from that, I know nothing. > >Thanks! > >Diana (researching Greco/Capri/Trovato/Barbagallo in Giarre area, >temporarily putting research on many others in Messina on hold) > >(email me at dwelborn at texas dot net if you want to reply directly, >as this hotmail account is set to "exclusive")

Hi Diana I've done a lot of research in Basilicata, mostly in Tito and Picerno. In the earlier years [1809-1840] the foundling birth records were in with the regular births. After 1840, they are all grouped into the 'Part II' or Atti Diversi for the town, which also includes stillbirths and deaths of town residents who died in other locales. Tito's favorite surnames for these babies seems to be Belfiore, Fiore, Fortunato in earlier years. After 1840, I'm seeing Esposita [girls] and Esposito [boys] more and more. Almost all of them die as infants - I've only seen maybe one of them actually grow to adulthood and marry, in over 40 years of records. There are many Grieco families in town, which I believe may be their dialect spelling for Greco, because they seem to add "i's" into given and surnames with regularity - for example, they spell Angelo and Angela - Angiolo and Angiola. Grace Lancieri Olivo, [email protected] Editor, Comunes of Italy Magazine, [email protected] Co-Chairperson, OSIA Commission for Social Justice-New Jersey http://www.ItalianAncestry.com/coi http://www.ItalianAncestry.com/tito -----Original Message----- From: Diana Welborn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 4:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Arbëresh foundling births and emigration? Those of you researching the more historically "Arbëresh" towns (Piana degli Albanese, Contessa Entellina, etc), can you give me a reasonable estimate about the incidence of "foundling" birth records? I.e. - Some, none at all, that kind of thing. It's my understanding that typical foundling names are Proietti, Trovato, D'Ignoti, Esposito and Di Gioia. (And various spellings thereof...) My mother's mother's mother's mother was a Trovato...but I know her father's name. I don't, as yet, know anything about HIS father (I'm having difficulty getting the civil records narrowed down, which reminds me, I need to make a post to soc.genealogy.italian...), but some other issues peripherally surrounding this research makes me wonder about the prevalance of foundlings in the Arbëresh community... The other question is, for those who have done research in traditionally *non* Arbëresh towns, what is the prevalence you are finding of emigration from the "strongholds" into the more "Italian" cities? I'm finding a lot of "Greco"'s in what is not generally know as an Arbëresh town, and yesterday ran across an "Albanese" in that town as well. My problem is (and has been for several years) that I can't figure out where they were before that town! Thanks! Diana Welborn (send email to dwelborn at texas dot net if you want to reply to me; this is my hotmail account set to exclusive) Researching: Grecco, Trovato, Capri, Barbagallo in Giarre area, and have temporarily postponed research on many others in Messina ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:37:47 GMT, "." <[email protected]> wrote: >What's the Fastest way to get long form birth cert from little town in >Italy? > > What's a "long form" birth certificate? What little town or towns? Actually your little town has most likely had it's civil records put on microfilm by the Mormon Church. These films can be rented and viewed by you at one of the church's Family History Library. Check out: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Home/Welcome/frameset_information.asp to see if your town was filmed and where the nearest Family History Center is located. Short of spending months in Italy, much of it just trying to gain access to the actual records, spending a fortune on postage and reasonable fees asking for transcripts of records,or short of paying some "professional" your hard earned money, searching the microfilms is the way to go. Help is available at the centers and remember, you need not be fluent in Italian. Your looking mainly for names and dates. The rest will come with a little help and common sense. Good luck. Freddie

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"." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<%[email protected]>... > What's the Fastest way to get long form birth cert from little town in > Italy? Have you tried the LDS already? Diana (currently researching Grecco/Trovato/Capri/Barbagallo in Catania)