I can tell you with utmost certainty. "Hipanics" are counted as white in the U.S. Armed Forces. >>"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise aginst nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrow." Matthew 24:6-9

Anyone with the surname of Ochoa? I am an Ochoa but am not familiar with the names and spellings of the Mexican states and cities from which they came from. My father told me that his grandfather came to the U.S. from a place in Mexico called Carnanea. I don't think I spelled it correctly, but I would appreciate any and all information on Ochoa's descended from there, still living there and from anyone who can help me to find records of Ochoas from there. I can be reached here: mailto:[email protected] . Thank You, Mrs. Danielle (Ochoa) Brown >>"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise aginst nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrow." Matthew 24:6-9

El pasado 3 de febrero se publicó el siguiente artículo en Diario de Mallorca http://www.diariodemallorca.es FILÓLOGOS EUROPEOS ESTUDIAN EN MALLORCA LOS ORÍGENES DE LOS NOMBRES PROPIOS G. RODAS. Palma. El proyecto europeo para la elaboración de un diccionario etimológico e histórico de los nombres propios que estuvieron integrados en el Imperio Romano será analizado en Palma entre el 7 y el 13 de febrero. Según explicó ayer el catedrático de Filología Catalana de la UIB, Joan Miralles, el diccionario, cuyo primer volumen será editado este año por la editorial alemana Niemeyer, tendrá entre 12 a 14 volúmenes y contendrá la antroponimia (estudio de los nombres propios) románica de origen léxico: nombres de animales y plantas, de partes del cuerpo, cargos, profesiones o nombres de pila. El Cahier des normes (que contiene el método seguido en la confección del diccionario), además de la introducción de la obra en un volumen y el primer volumen de artículos propiamente dicho, se publicarán en el año 2001. "Se trata de una extensísima herramienta de trabajo dirigida a los universitarios de Filología", apuntó Joan Miralles. La obra contendrá, asimismo, documentación gráfica, a modo de atlas, para conocer la distribución geográfica de los linajes. En el caso de Balears los apellidos aparecieron a partir del siglo X, cuando comenzó a ser necesario distinguir una persona de otra del mismo nombre, refiriéndose, muchos, al origen de éste: des Pou, de Rosselló, de Vallespir. A partir del siglo XIII los linajes de Balears, mayoritariamente procedentes de la parte oriental de Cataluña, pasaron a ser hereditarios. *************** Un saludo de... Alfonso Céspedes Riek Mallorca - España

Estoy buscando el acto de bautismo de JEAN BAPTISTE SAIN quien nacido en PORRERA (cerca de TARRAGONA) el 23 de junio 1793, hijo de JEAN BAPTISTE y de FRANCOISE GUILLAUME. Si puede usted ayudarme muchas gracias escribir me. françois TOLLET

Busco datos sobre el apellido Abendaño o Avendaño. Gracias. - -------------------------------------------------- Ricar ** [email protected] - --------------------------------------------------

Does anyone have a descendant list from Peter I (1798-1834) Emporer of Brazil and King of Portugal? Thanks Paul Garner-Richards [email protected]

I look at it this way. Hispanics are a group of many different peoples (i.e.spain, mexico, cuba, etc) Just as white are a group of mant different peoples too (i.e.england, irish, french, etc) That's it.

Busco datos sobre el apellido Abendaño. Gracias. - -------------------------------------------------- Ricar ** [email protected] - --------------------------------------------------

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Me gustaria tener información de apellido "De mora" sobre todo de la rama de Navarra de la que creo es el origén del apellido.Enviar datos a este Email o bien [email protected] .Gracias

Please, be careful with the news. I'm writing in the genealogic newsgroup. This is not the place to discuss this matter. Thank you very much. Por favor, no envieis mensajes indiscriminados a varios grupos, ni hagais caso de los polemistas que buscan enfrentamientos. A cada grupo, lo que le corresponde. Y esto se esta leyendo en el de genalogia (desde donde escribo), que no tiene nada que ver con absurdas diatribas. Gracias. Javier Rubio Hispania gavrillacq <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje de noticias [email protected] > Estimado "Pedro Albi-zoo", > > Pregunta:?Y si te dicen que eres una chupacabra del planeta Pluto? > > Lo eres? > > Mi'jo comiendote las mitologias de mierda, simplemente te hace un > comemierda!!! Piensa bien en los "hechos" que te estas tragando y > entonces, no va ser necesario darte una enema intelectual en el futuro, > administrado por los bomberos famosos de Ponce!!! > > But since I don't know if you speak Spanish, English, Spangli' or > "Lateeno", I will respond more specifically to your post below in > English, since your post suggests you are more comfortable in that > language. Here goes...(my responses will appear below with 5 stars > (*****)preceding them. > __________________________________ > Pedro writes: > In article <[email protected]>, > [email protected] wrote: > > "Hispanic" is a category invented by a bureaucratic federal agency > > (Statistical Directive 15) to "count" people of Latin American > > ancestry (including Puerto Ricans). It is an ethnic category ("ethnos" > > greek for culture). The purpose is to market crap at a larger group > > rather than having to specialize in Boricuas , Cubans or mexican niche > > markets. > *****PRECISELY, this Hispanic/Latino MYTHOLOGY was INVENTED by > bureau-clowns who DO NOT (I repeat), DO NOT know (or care to understand) > the racial, ethnic, cultural REALITIES that exist south of Key > West,Florida or Laredo, Texas. (Even though these racial dynamics are > IDENTICAL to ones that exist NORTH of the border as well). I am sure > that these mindless drones don't ever leave their "think" tanks in > Washington, DC, given their necessary and numerous (and mandatory) guest > appearances at every "multi-cultural" dance they attend for "Porto > Rican" Barbie or "Diversity Ken". Afterall, having to "split" the > FALLACIOUS Hispanic/Latino "RACE" into the VERY distinct, different and > DIVERGENT pieces, might be a little too demanding for their vacant and > ethno-centric "I-be-da-real-American" myopia. Anyone of even minimal > intelligence knows already, that the reason for "grouping" (like > ignorant cattle) all of these VERY DIFFERENT people is to amalgamate > these politically profitable populations and then reduce them to > administratively expedient "groups"; even if this "grouping" exists ONLY > ON PAPER in an already defunct Census form!!! > > Pedro writes: > > But, and this is a big BUT, in US popular culture Latinos AS A GROUP > > are considered non-white. This also means that individual Latinos can > > live lives as Black, white, Chinese etc. But as a group (mestizaje, > > multaje etc.) are considered non-white. Anyone has heard of the "one > > drop rule"? Look at Supreme Court decisions about this! > *****This is only true, if you believe the lie to begin with!!! Let's > try to remember what I said above about being what you "swallow". > Or are we REALLY to believe in this ludicrous "One-Drop Rule" that was > created by a toothless, gout-ridden, illiterate slave owner in > Mississippi in the 1700s to increase the size of his "slave" population? > Is this THE source of modern scholarship and research that dictates > pseudo-INTELLIGENT thought in contemporary America or anywhere else > today??? And let's not even address the "beliefs" of the "Supreme > Court" because this is the same legislative body that denied WOMEN the > right to vote for DECADES!!! And I hope that anyone reading this, knows > how "correct" that policy was. And please note, that the "fact" that > MILLIONS of "Americans" believe the lie of the "one-drop-rule", DOESN'T > make it true. ANYONE with a conscience and the most minimal knowledge > of Mendel's experiments with EVEN green peas, knows that when 2 > varieties of any species are "crossed", the result is not one or the > other. THE RESULT is a combination of BOTH!!! But I guess Mendel > didn't allow for political prostitution on the part of the members of > the new "variety". Apparently even the green peas had more integrity > than us, more "advanced" species. What do you think? So, who should we > believe, toothless Bubba raping his female slaves in the barn or modern > science and rational thought? Does this question even need to be > asked??? Incidentally, Alberto Fujimori, THE PRESIDENT OF PERU, is the > son of JAPANESE immigrants to Peru and he is referred to, by the > Peruvian people, as "el Chinito", but even HE doesn't believe he is > Chinese!!! > > Pedro writes: > > If people know in Birmingham Alabama that Rosello is Boricua he will > > be considered non-white, blue eyes and everything. In states like > > Louisiana for many years a white person is a person that had less > > than 1/32 Black ancestry. Sounds irrational, race is irrational. But > > if people believe it is real it is real in its consequences. > *****YOU are absolutely RIGHT again!!! And let's also remember, those > same "people" in Birmingham, Alabama are the same people who who still > LYNCH black people and not-too-long-ago turned FIRE HOSES on Black > children who only wanted to go to school. ?Are these cretans, the > intelligent beings who possess the powers of reason and analysis re. > "race" that the rest of the country (or the world) is to believe as > "racial reality". Let's all try to comprehend that these "beliefs" and > anyone's endorsement of them DEFIES INTELLIGENCE and INTEGRITY and only > speaks to the level of intellectual compromise that USAmericans have > sunk to, when looking at the whole issue of race today. So, I pose the > question again... > "So who should we believe, toothless Bubba raping his female slaves in > the barn or modern science" and intelligent discourse. Or does rational > and reasonable thought have no place in the "race" dialog? To follow > your logic, apparently not!!! > > "Pedro" please reach for the toilet paper and this time,wipe another > orifice with it. Parece mentira... > > Greg Medina Rivera > Copyright @ 2,000 > All rights reserved, > this document may not be reprinted > without express written permission > of author > > > > ======================== > > In article <[email protected]>, > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > Intellectual argument of the Issues at hand: > > > www.onelist.com/subscribe/issues > > > Para asuntos Hispanos, en Castellano: > > > www.onelist.com/subscribe/boriken > ________________________________ > > > From: spike <[email protected]> > > > > > > Further to the question of whether the U.S. > > > Government counts Hispanics as White or not: > > > time constraints have thus fsr prevented me from > > > tracking this all the way back to original > > > sources, but this site at least provides some > > > links to start with for anyone who chooses to do > > > so. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Si lo haces a través de empresas que se dedican a ello, sus tarifas no son precisamente baratas. Si te diriges por correo al archivo diocesano, con datos específicos, no sería raro que obtuvieras respuesta. Aunque convendría confirmarlo con el propio archivo por teléfono. Eso sí, con los datos más específicos posibles. Lo que no suele gustar es hacer búsquedas "tediosas" entre un margen amplio de tiempo. Saludos Javier Rubio Hispania P.D.: Para las señas del archivo (y teléfono) bien puedes consultar una página web que las tiene todas relacionadas (si no tienes el dato, te lo puedo facilitar), o bien llamar a información de Telefónica. AL <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje de noticias [email protected] Hola: Acabo de localizar los datos de un antepasado natural de Úbeda (Jaén), de principios del s.XIX, y ante la imposibilidad de desplazarme hasta esta provincia, quisiera saber si hay alguna posibilidad de obtener una copia de su partida de bautismo, enviando sus datos al Archivo Histórico Diocesano de Jaén. Si esto no fuera posible: ¿alguien conoce algún particular o empresa local, que pudiera realizar la búsqueda. Gracias, un cordial saludo.

Deseo conocer la procedencia de los apellidos Fornés, Cánovas y Archer. ¿Es posible conducir esta búsqueda de manera efectiva por el Internet? Les estaré agradecido por su información. RGP

buenas Busco informaciones etymologicas sobre los apellidos estos: Calabuig - Dauden - Denia - Hergueta - Oñate Picaso - Simarro Gracias E.mail [email protected] - jmp -

Born March 16, 1912 Died April 2, 1995. She married Eugenio Torres they lived in Rio Piedras, Puerto Rico and then moved to Fort Wayne, Indiana. Any information or advice would be appreciated! Thanks Amber

JJ <[email protected]> writes: > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] > (Virgil) wrote: > > > What does Ethic background have to do with race ???????????????? > > Ethnic background IS race. (look at a dictionary) Ethnic background is *not* the same thing as race. "Race" is a biological classification, while "ethnic group" is a cultural one. That is, you belong to a certain "race" by virtue of who conceives you, but you belong to an ethnic group by virtue of which society you are raised in. -- Luis Casillas Graduate Student Department of Linguistics Stanford University "If your whole life passes in front of your eyes the moment before you die, does the moment in which your whole life passes in front of your eyes before you die pass in front of your eyes?" --Anonymous

Hy Henri, Zamor may eventually be a spanish name, but it was also the name of black servant of Comtesse Du Barry the favorite of french king Louis XVI. He is known as having inform revolutionnal court against her conducting her to scaffold. He was an imported slave so that I don't known his name' origin. AS I'm living in the city of countess, if you are interested, I can try to find information about his life after revolution. Entendo el español pero no escribole; frances es mejor. Jean René Yharrassarry Henry Seymour a *crit : > > Estoy buscando para la información sobre el apellido Zamor. > > Llamaron mi antepasado St Cyr Zamor. Eso es lo que ponen en su sepulcro. > También lo enterraron en un área sobre toda francesa de los Estados Unidos. > > Pienso que S t Cyr Zamor pudo haber sido español. Qué usted piensa Zamor > estaría en español? Gracias.

Kudos for your response. About time someone made the point. Thanks.

Hola: Acabo de localizar los datos de un antepasado natural de Úbeda (Jaén), de principios del s.XIX, y ante la imposibilidad de desplazarme hasta esta provincia, quisiera saber si hay alguna posibilidad de obtener una copia de su partida de bautismo, enviando sus datos al Archivo Histórico Diocesano de Jaén. Si esto no fuera posible: ¿alguien conoce algún particular o empresa local, que pudiera realizar la búsqueda. Gracias, un cordial saludo.